Winged chariot? — Tom Storm
I don't think any subject in philosophy is undisputed and undebatable. — Tom Storm
Beauty and goodness are the defining attributes of beautiful and good things — GregW
That's a circular argument. E.g., Truth is what true statements express. — Tom Storm
what exactly is beauty as you understand it and how do you access or recognise it? — Tom Storm
As I see it, beauty is a part of good, the part that is perceived by our senses. When we say that the sunset was beautiful, we are saying that the sunset looked good. When we say that the symphony was beautiful, we are saying that the symphony sounded good. When we say that the sex was beautiful, we are saying that the sex felt good. Beauty is sensible goodness. — GregW
A serial killer could see beauty when his hands are around the neck of a victim taking their last breath? — Malcolm Parry
There is a savage beauty in an apex predator despatching it's prey. — Malcolm Parry
and beauty absolute have no part of ugliness — GregW
Aren't you glad that we live in a world where savage beauty can exist? — GregW
Love is an experience shared by all. — GregW
Do you know this for certain? I’ve worked with a lot of career criminals and gang members, and I would say that some people never experience love and, as a result, may not be able to give or receive it. — Tom Storm
I experience love as a given. Walking along the river on a beautiful sunny day can intensify that feeling of love. I feel loved simply because I feel love. I can totally relate to the Christian notion that God is love, even though I think the Biblical explanation of God. Satan and sin are messed up. Believing in a personal God has unpleasant consequences, necessitating deifying Jesus as a personal savior. — Athena
I feel not believing in a 'God', faith, personal spiritual practice or otherwise also has unpleasant consequences. — Jeremy Murray
I can totally relate to the Christian notion that God is love, even though I think the Biblical explanation of God. Satan and sin are messed up. Believing in a personal God has unpleasant consequences, — Athena
I’m not convinced there is a beautifully absolute. It is all relative to the beholder. — Malcolm Parry
(This is my first time using the quote function, I'll see how it turns out.)Love is an experience shared by all. — Tom Storm
Is the ability to feel love something you are born with?
In the example with the gangsters they were not given love growing up, they started with the ability to feel love, but their ability to love was not 'developed/nurtured'. (Words that do not quite fit)
Does the lack of love kill the sense of it? Or is it just dormant like a seed during winter? — Red Sky
Shouldn’t we also consider the evolutionary function of love? — Jeremy Murray
Let me tell you why I believe that beauty is not relative to the beholder. I believe that it is our own measure of beauty that is relative to the beholder. Beauty, like truth, justice, piety, and the other virtues are a part of good; andtruth absolute, true beauty, true virtue, and true love are a part of goodness absolute; and goodness absolute is a part of God. — GregW
Expand on that, please. What is the frame of reference for true beauty etc?
Is it your faith in God? If so, I'll stick with my original statement. — Malcolm Parry
The frame of reference for true beauty and true goodness is perfection — GregW
As for faith, I choose to believe in the God of perfection. The God who is not only perfectly good but also perfectly powerful, which means that He cannot use His power for evil. — GregW
The frame of reference for true beauty and true goodness is perfection
— GregW
What for you is perfection? — Malcolm Parry
As for faith, I choose to believe in the God of perfection. The God who is not only perfectly good but also perfectly powerful, which means that He cannot use His power for evil.
— GregW
He seems nice — Malcolm Parry
These are not different parts of love, they are different kinds of love. All the various kinds of love, in your phrase "love as a whole", are what attaches us to one another, and without which we would not exist. — BC
I’ve worked with a lot of career criminals and gang members, and I would say that some people never experience love and, as a result, may not be able to give or receive it. — Tom Storm
I’ve worked with a lot of career criminals and gang members, and I would say that some people never experience love and, as a result, may not be able to give or receive it.
— Tom Storm
I believe this is possible only if love is just a desire. In a poem, Aristophanes described the origin of Love:
".... Black-winged Night
Into the bosom of Erebus dark and deep
Laid a wind-born egg, and as the seasons rolled
Forth sprang Love, the long-for, shining, with
wings of gold."
The poem suggests that even in the darkest and deepest part of Erebus, we will find love. — GregW
I believe this is possible only if love is just a desire — GregW
I’ve worked with a lot of career criminals and gang members, and I would say that some people never experience love and, as a result, may not be able to give or receive it.
— Tom Storm
I believe this is possible only if love is just a desire. — GregW
Thsi form you -
I believe this is possible only if love is just a desire
— GregW
If I read this correctly then i woudl have thought it was precisely the opposite. Love as desire is readily sought and found. I'm not sure I'd count this as love. — Tom Storm
Love is not the same as desire. Love is a part of desire just as the lover is a part of the non-lover. While the non-lover may desire many things including the beautiful and good. The lover desire only the beautiful and good, of the ugly and bad there can be no love.
Tom Storm suggested that there are some people who never experience love. Is it possible that there are people so immersed in ugliness and evil that it precludes the beautiful and good and love can never be experienced?
I’ve worked with a lot of career criminals and gang members, and I would say that some people never experience love and, as a result, may not be able to give or receive it.
— Tom Storm
I believe this is possible only if love is just a desire. — GregW
Let me ask this. The career criminals and gang members that you say never experience love and, as a result, may not be able to give or receive it. Do they love themselves? — GregW
isn't the treatment for neglected infants nurture and love? — GregW
One problem is that such therapy can't be delayed for 20 or 30 years and still be effective — BC
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