Who in their right mind would want to be a plumber? — frank

They make really good money and according to some videos I saw online, women really enjoy when they come over, but something seemed off about it.

but something seemed off about it. — Hanover

that was pornography

that was pornography — frank

You saw it too?

Yep, I think I did.

Mainly i just want to celebrate, but suddenly, a whole nuclear deterrent system can be put at risk with a bit of well planned espionage and sabotage. "Wage war with surprise moves." Things are changing, and we live, alas, in interesting times.

Here's a discussion of the UK Strategic Defence Review, of recent publication, and a more general discussion of Nato, threats worldwide, and so on. Rather sobering stuff, and interesting, alas, for anyone prepared to stare into the void a while. Thankfully, the nob on the frontispiece is not much featured.

Was about to come post something similar. There seems to be pretty credible discussions around Russia attacking Nato in the next half-decade. A ramp up to WWIII seems imminent, from some perspectives.

Weinstein will now likely die in prison.

Good.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/a-medical-student-s-anger-toward-america-s-health-care-system-with-similarities-to-luigi-mangione-s-case-led-him-to-shoot-a-doctor-police-say/ar-AA1HglDd?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=7cbbca9f02b74a10a2a3935c652422ab&ei=6

Why oh why does the left do this to itself. Dysregulated children should not be fronting any type of social movement.

This is a pretty interesting perspective about the future of Russia after Putin.

The Russian elite, as a class, descended from criminals who managed black markets and engaged in illegal manufacturing during the Soviet era. They provided services the government couldn't, so they were tolerated. In the chaos following the fall, they just kept doing the same things, and thereby became the elite. But romanticism about criminality survives in Russia to this day. This is one of many reasons the Russian people are not disposed to revolting. Another is that there's an ingrained belief that the only way to survive as a country is to be an empire, so there's a tendency to see meaning in suffering if it's in the name of empire building, and this suffering isn't expected to ever decrease because the job of defending Russia is continuous.

Senate Republicans just voted to dismantle America’s only climate plan

Should be front page headlines for the next 20 years.

Nothing has shown me how stupid people truly are until I get their views on an overwhelmingly supported aspect of science that conflicts with their identifies (whether religious or political). When I was younger, it was the denial of evolution by many Christians. Today it’s the denial of a rapidly warming planet.

The latter denial is far deadlier.

Now that the Christian right has merged with the MAGA cult, an area of agreement has been the burning of fossil fuels. It intersects with hypermasculinity and savage capitalism. (Really it’s just the donors are largely fossil fuel companies, who happen to own the media as well. The Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch can be thanked for a lot of this.)

For some reason, once Trump picked up on the climate denial piece, he ran with it. In the same way he did with tax cuts. Contrary to any evidence whatsoever, they’ll now go on believing that man did not evolve, tax cuts jump start the economy, and climate change is a hoax. It’s now locked in — dyed in the wool.

The bad guys have won. And unlike the movies, no matter if there’s a comeback or a swing in power, it’s already too late. The time to act was decades ago, and the time to mitigate the absolute worst effects were these last 10 years. And the one and only piece of legislation that addressed the issue is now dead.

This is not a political party— it’s a death cult. Literally.

Now that the Christian right has merged with the MAGA cult, an area of agreement has been the burning of fossil fuels. It intersects with hypermasculinity and savage capitalism. (Really it’s just the donors are largely fossil fuel companies, who happen to own the media as well. The Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch can be thanked for a lot of this.)

For some reason, once Trump picked up on the climate denial piece, he ran with it. In the same way he did with tax cuts. Contrary to any evidence whatsoever, they’ll now go on believing that man did not evolve, tax cuts jump start the economy, and climate change is a hoax. It’s now locked in — dyed in the wool.

The bad guys have won. And unlike the movies, no matter if there’s a comeback or a swing in power, it’s already too late. The time to act was decades ago, and the time to mitigate the absolute worst effects were these last 10 years. And the one and only piece of legislation that addressed the issue is now dead.

This is not a political party— it’s a death cult. Literally. — Mikie

Just cements the concept the US is just another religious fundamentalist nation, like Islam fundamentalist nations in the Middle East. One step from installing laws based in religious texts rather than moral philosophy.

And ignoring climate change will just lead to a world in which the rural Americans die off in heat waves and other extreme weather. So let the death cult kill themselves, I really don’t fucking care anymore about people who constantly flood the world with absolute bullshit and shoot themselves in the foot.

But it will also ignite violence from those who feel like victims of these politics. We will probably see rebel groups starting to kill oil industry figures and politicians who keep perpetuate anti-climate politics.

Add to that all nations of the world that might end up in conditions that are unlivable. Becoming globally homeless and in turn start organizing themselves as military forces to fight for other places where they can live.

These people might even ignite sympathy from many in the world finally realizing how catastrophic the climate change problems truly are and when such forces start invading nations like the US, many might even just cheer on while they push forward.

And these people won’t be some little rebel group, they might end up being millions of people with nothing to lose as they have no where to go. It will either end with a mass slaughter of millions of people because nations have no other choice when getting invaded, or these people will win and force themselves into taking over large regions of other nations.

Nations who try to mitigate climate change might use that fact as a way to argue against these groups invading them and direct them towards nations who can be blamed for the situation the world has ended up in.

At some point, the world needs to outlaw oil. The world can debate oil for decades more, but at some point the problems are going to become actual reality and the oil industry will not have the power to fight back at people literally firing at them.

It’s like all the arguments against mitigating climate change are economical, but at some point the economy will crash so hard due to climate change that we’re just postponing everything. Politicians who need to fool the masses in order to keep their power are the ones responsible. No politician want to be blamed for economic crashes due to extreme decisions to fight climate change, but they will some day need to do it, so all politicians just hope they’re not the ones having to do it.

It’s pathetic really. Everyone is pathetic. Everyone deserves what’s coming.

But it will also ignite violence from those who feel like victims of these politics. We will probably see rebel groups starting to kill oil industry figures and politicians who keep perpetuate anti-climate politics. — Christoffer

At this point, what else is left to do? I think Malm was right — although he doesn’t advocate killing anyone, he does suggest destroying property and fossil fuel infrastructure in his book “How to Blow Up a Pipeline.” I think this approach was catching on in 2021, but then at least the IRA passed. Now there’s nothing. Perhaps it’s time.

At this point, what else is left to do? I think Malm was right — although he doesn’t advocate killing anyone, he does suggest destroying property and fossil fuel infrastructure in his book “How to Blow Up a Pipeline.” I think this approach was catching on in 2021, but then at least the IRA passed. Now there’s nothing. Perhaps it’s time. — Mikie

It will start to happen the more politicians keep doing nothing and the oil industry getting more support by politicians. And if such actions as described in that book doesn’t work, then it will move on to more extreme levels.

For some in the world, climate change is indeed an existential battle. It’s probably going to be a walk in the park for someone like me living far north, but there are so many regions of the world that may become akin to an alien planet when degrees start to creep up to 60-70 degrees C. Add to that the humidity problem in which bubbles of humidity makes 19 degrees C feel like 31 degrees, the result could be absolutely catastrophic for some.

We are talking about millions if not billions of people in some cases. What happens if they are forced to move because of the basic necessity of avoiding to die in the heatwaves or general heat in their home nation?

They’re not going to be some small rebel group doing terrorist attacks out of desperation, we could be seeing millions of people taking what they own to make or buy weapons and start demanding residence in other nations. And people who face extinction will fight until they are extinct. That level of commitment to a cause cannot be fought with high tech military.

So the next large conflicts of the world due to climate change might be huge and I don’t think people realize that this will be the single largest consequence of climate change… people believe things will get a little warmer and that people up north can start to grow wine in their yards. Like, people are fucking stupid.

Conservatives: Trump won our megabill votes by promising crackdown on renewable energy credits

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/07/03/congress/conservatives-trump-megabill-energy-credits-crackdown-00438357

Like I said: a death cult.

“Destroying the little hope we have left for a less nightmarish future isn’t good enough! We want more assurances that we’ll go RIGHT off the cliff!”

We are talking about millions if not billions of people in some cases. What happens if they are forced to move because of the basic necessity of avoiding to die in the heatwaves or general heat in their home nation? — Christoffer

Or they'll demand cheap fossil-fuel based energy to run AC and heaters.

Or they'll demand cheap fossil-fuel based energy to run AC and heaters. — RogueAI

First, ACs won’t be enough in some places. Second, if any breaks, they die, so the risk is too high or it’s impossible to leave and transport goods between AC powered buildings, so the society collapses anyway. Third, continued use would just make the problem worse until the plastic outside of their units melt or material catch fire and they die anyway.

Bottom line, they can’t escape it by burying their heads in the sand. Prevent it in time, die in the heat, or flee to some other place that cannot fit millions of people. It’s a disaster however things go...

Bottom line, they can’t escape it by burying their heads in the sand. — Christoffer

I've been looking at what the Middle East will be like in 2100. It occurred to me that living underground might be an option, so burying heads in the sand might work. Or maybe become nocturnal. But above ground, the inland areas won't just be uncomfortable, they'll be incompatible with human life.

Genuine question (i.e mods, just don't be dicks) for those on the "Trump=faciscm", "Climate change=literal doomsday" type of takes: What are you going to do/say when(in the 'if' sense) none of these doomsday predictions come true? Is this something which would move you, or something that would just further entrench some theory about kicking the can, or hiding the ball or some other prevaricative thing? I am genuinely asking. I cannot understand finding myself in such a position, so it's interesting to see those who hold positions that might turn out that way speculate (though, i understand you may not think it could turn out that way - It could. That's why i'm asking).

I guess I need to also add that the bolded should be read as insinuating a situation where you have clear knowledge, and have had to face the reality that say, with Trump, his term ends, and the economy is better off, less wars etc... (this is a hypothetical, to be sure) and everything is, in the round, either fine or better than under Biden at least.

I think we’ve seen enough failed predictions about Trump to see how the people you speak of react. Most of what they say now they said about his first term.
The response was to double down, to proclaim the same things louder. Maybe they are right this time I don’t know, but I do know how they reacted to their first Trumpacalypse, and it didnt involve admitting error. It involved amping it all up again.

While I appreciate you chiming in, this doesn't give me anything that i was after.

I asked a specific question only answerable by those who hold the views I outlined. While I don't expect a good-faith response for the reasons you put forward, I want one.

Fair enough.

America won't turn fascist under Trump. If Trump thought he could pull off something like a Reichstag fire scenario and solidify/expand his power, I have no doubt he would try it, but after trying to steal the 2020 election, he and his lackeys know there are too many people in key positions that won't go along with it, so it's not worth the effort and potential jail time.

But climate change could be an existential threat. I don't know if it is or not, but I can certainly see how its possible we could muck around with the climate and trigger some feedback loop that accelerates warming to something the biosphere can't tolerate. Do you think that that's really farfetched?

Thanks for your reply. Interesting way to spin it (i do not mean that as in 'deceptive'. Just that we al see things 'a way'). I don't think Trump is a serious enough person for all that, myself. Very much the kind of information I was looking for though; appreciated!

As to the question: I don't know. I am an 'act as if' type person for things that risky, so I don't particularly care about whether its 'true'. I think taking care of the planet is a good idea. It sounds like perhaps you're on a similar track.

:up:

I thought this was interesting, not so much as an update on the condition of Russia, but more as a warning to the US about where it is headed.



A society built on falsehood must inevitably collapse. This is a fundamental asymmetry; any system (particularly any living system) that relies on communication, relies on truth predominating over falsehood. As soon as falsehood predominates that equates to the end of communication and fragmentation has happened. I stop listening to the bullshit, and go my own way.

Why Russia will continue to stagnate economically, continue to be militarized with low tech equipment, and become more isolated from the world:

RIP Ozzy Osbourne!

He was a great musician, but we will remember him most for the bat incident.

Ozzy Osbourne is famously known for biting the head off a live bat during a concert on January 20, 1982, at the Des Moines Veterans Memorial Auditorium (now Iowa Events Center).
Osbourne claimed he thought the bat was a rubber prop and only realized it was real when he bit into it, leading to a significant amount of blood in his mouth. He later had to receive rabies shots, which he described as painful and unpleasant.

RIP mate.