• Jamal
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    Introduction: "Infinity"

    In my notes on the previous section I described the disenchantment of the concept as "bringing the concept down to Earth." In this section, Adorno begins by saying that this prevents the concept getting too big for its boots, "becoming the absolute itself". The prime example, or model, of this is the concept of infinity. We covered this when we looked at lecture 8 (here). In negative dialectics, the concept of infinity "is to be refunctioned".

    The illusion that it [philosophy] could captivate the essence in the finitude of its determinations must be given up.

    Adorno's idea here is that if a philosophy can do justice to infinity at all, it is not by reducing it to its finite systems, or by presuming to be complete ("conclusive") in its grasp of the infinite and becoming thereby finite---but rather by a radical openness. Philosophy, in the form of negative dialectics, aims to "literally immerse itself into that which is heterogenous to it, without reducing it to prefabricated categories." That which is heterogeneous to it is of course the non-conceptual.

    The only way that philosophy can in some sense lay claim to the infinite is by giving up the belief "that it has the infinite at its disposal." It's quite easy to understand what Adorno is getting at if we look at his recommendation of a philosophy that is "infinite to the extent that it refuses to define itself as a corpus of enumerable theorems." In other words, since there is no closure, completion, or conclusiveness in negative dialectics, it is never finished and so is in a sense infinite, precisely without claiming to capture the infinite as the philosophers of German idealism did.

    This philosophy ...

    ... would have its content in the polyvalence of objects not organized into a scheme, which impinge on it or which it seeks out; it would truly deliver itself over to them, would not employ them as a mirror, out of which it rereads itself, confusing its mirror-image with the concretion. It would be nothing other than the full, unreduced experience in the medium of conceptual reflection; even the “science of the experience of consciousness” would degrade the content of such experiences to examples of categories.

    Then Adorno describes what spurs philosophy in the direction of infinity in the first place:

    What spurs philosophy to the risky exertion of its own infinity is the unwarranted expectation that every individual and particular which it decodes would represent, as in Leibniz’s monad, that whole in itself, which as such always and again eludes it

    I take this to mean that all philosophy, including both German idealism and negative dialectics (the two philosophies that are being opposed in this section), are motivated by the "unwarranted expectation" that particulars can reveal the whole, or put differently, that the infinite can be reached via particulars. But the whole "always and again eludes" philosophy---the difference is that negative dialectics recognizes this.

    The "unwarranted expectation" is thus dialectical: Adorno seems to retain it for negative dialectics, while admitting that it will never be satisfied.

    Cognition holds none of its objects completely.

    Although this statement seems unremarkable now, and might even stand as a shared axiom of modernity, historically speaking it's an important break from the philosophical past.

    It is not supposed to prepare the fantasm of a whole.

    Constructing a comprehensive representation of reality is not the proper task of thinking. Such a representation is always an illusion or "fantasm".

    Then he uses art as a model to show what this means:

    Thus it cannot be the task of a philosophical interpretation of works of art to establish their identity with the concept, to gobble them up in this; the work however develops itself through this in its truth.

    A typical Adornian dyad. On the one hand, we should not seek to gobble up works of art in the concepts of our interpretations (art interpretation as identity-thinking); on the other hand, it is the failure of the concepts to succeed in this gobbling up that reveals the truth-content of the artworks. It follows that philosophy ought to critically engage with interpretations that attempt this gobbling up, so that their failure becomes manifest.

    It also follows that formal methods of interpretation, in terms of genre, definitions, and so on, must always fail:

    What may be glimpsed in this, be it the formal process of abstraction, be it the application of concepts to what is grasped under their definitions, may be of use as technics in the broadest sense: for philosophy, which refuses to suborn itself, it is irrelevant. In principle it can always go astray; solely for that reason, achieve something. Skepticism and pragmatism, latest of all Dewey’s strikingly humane version of the latter, recognized this; this is however to be added into the ferment of an emphatic philosophy, not renounced in advance for the sake of its test of validity.

    Techniques for the classification and ranking of artworks are not enough to reveal the truth-content in art, and in fact obscure it, therefore they are not philosophical. Philosophy, properly conceived, does not stick to such techniques, to formal methodologies, therefore it can go astray---and here is the reason it can make some headway. The strength of philosophy lies in its fallibility: in attempting an analysis of an object such an artwork, it might miss the mark but at the same time reveal something.

    I take the last sentence to be saying that scepticism and pragmatism are pretty good, but to really get at the truth we need to go beyond the safety of what can be validly ascertained into "the ferment of an emphatic philosophy". This reminds us of what he said in the lectures about speculation, and indeed the next section is entitled "The Speculative Moment".

    And the next paragraph introduces play, which Adorno associated with the speculative moment in lecture 9 (see here). Since the introduction seems to mirror the lectures, we might suspect that the concept of mimesis is going to come up here too.

    Against the total domination of method, philosophy retains, correctively, the moment of play, which the tradition of its scientifization would like to drive out of it.

    The non-naïve thought knows how little it encompasses what is thought, and yet must always hold forth as if it had such completely in hand. It thereby approximates clowning.

    I like this thought very much. He said almost the same thing in the lectures, but here it's more elegantly put. Philosophy is ridiculous. But one can be intentionally ridiculous: a clown knows what he is doing. One would rather be a clown than a fool (if we define a fool as one who is unknowingly ridiculous). This is to say that we should go ahead and be playful; in so doing we recognize philosophy's absurdity.

    This is not as irrational as it seems, since Adorno does believe philosophy can reveal truths. Perhaps we should extend the metaphor and think of the well-attested function of the jester as speaking truth to power, as a form of critique. The questions that seem most ridiculous might be the right ones to ask.

    Incidentally, this is of course the point in the lectures (lecture 9) in which the irrational comes up, hence the impression of irrationalism here. Again and again Adorno wants to say we ought to try to do what cannot be done.

    What aims for what is not already a priori and what it would have no statutory power over, belongs, according to its own concept, simultaneously to a sphere of the unconstrained, which was rendered taboo by the conceptual essence.

    Negative dialectics aims for the non-conceptual, that which (a) is not already a priori; and (b) eludes capture with philosophy's laws or methodical application of concepts. As such a philosophy, it belongs to a "sphere of the unconstrained," a realm where philosophy's laws don't apply. This realm beyond the concept was made taboo by philosophy, according to its essentially conceptual nature.

    He brings up mimesis next, from which we can see that his genealogy of philosophy is mirrored by the genealogy described in The Dialectic of Enlightenment:

    The concept cannot otherwise represent the thing which it repressed, namely mimesis, than by appropriating something of this latter in its own mode of conduct, without losing itself to it.

    Mimesis is the pre-rational imitation of the object, or act of adapting oneself to the object, something inherent in primitive magic but repressed---made taboo---by the conceptualization that came with myth, religion, and finally the instrumental rationality of the Enlightenment.

    So, as I briefly mentioned in my notes on the lecture, Adorno's idea here is that philosophy has to imitate mimesis while not going so far as to abandon concepts. The model is art, which is constitutively open to the new and the different.

    Okay, I've run out of steam tonight. The last two paragraphs of this section elaborate on how the "aesthetic moment is ... not accidental to philosophy." I may say something about that in another post.
  • Moliere
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    "Infinity"

    Having gone over the disenchantment of the concept Adorno turns towards a particular concept to disenchant it from its idealist home: Infinity.

    Then

    :D

    That's all I had written as I was reading the next bit then read your summation.
  • Jamal
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    Well, I agree with what you managed to write :grin:
  • Moliere
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    Well, now we can proceed... lol
  • Moliere
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    Something more substantive from me: I feel like I'm following along at an intuitive level here -- infinite as something we don't contain but instead outstrips, and noting how this is a kind of materialism jives well with a lot of my thoughts. Also, naturally, I like the analogy to art and noting how the infinite there is the notion that even though philosophy is ridiculous -- which I thought you parsed very well @Jamal -- you pursue it anyways, and still sincerely, while knowing it has no end.
  • Jamal
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    Yes, I also find it quite intuitive and enjoy the tension between the rational and irrational.
  • Metaphysician Undercover
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    I find this section very confusing and difficult to understand. To me, Adorno misrepresents the concept of "infinity", and misrepresents philosophy, in general, and this leaves it very difficult to understand what he's trying to do.

    Since he has already described philosophy as being concerned with the non-conceptual, he now approaches "infinity" which is purely conceptual. Therefore, he has to write it off, as not a proper subject of philosophy. In the lectures he implies that this purely conceptual thing, "infinity", ought to be left to the mathematicians. And, perhaps he believes that mathematics rather than philosophy ought to have sole purveyance over pure concepts. But I think that this would be naive.

    Plato thought that the true subject of philosophy is intelligible objects. But Aristotle showed how philosophers (especially metaphysicians) must work toward understanding all aspects of reality, both conceptual and non-conceptual.

    Now it appears to me like Adorno is trying to dismiss infinity as a part of reality, because it is purely conceptual, and if we allow that there are things which are purely conceptual, we will be lead into idealism. But this according to Adorno is what philosophy needs to avoid. Adorno's way of describing concepts, is as representing, or having a relation with something non-conceptual, like true art is supposed to represent something. But this leaves the purely abstract, the purely conceptual, as impossible to understand, being in some way untrue.

    I believe Adorno's attitude toward philosophy and infinity is well summed up here:

    Thinking by no means protects sources, whose freshness
    would emancipate it from thought; no type of cognition is at our
    disposal, which would be absolutely divergent from that which disposes
    over things, before which intuitionism flees panic-stricken and in vain.

    So he ends the section with:

    What is incumbent on it, is the effort to go beyond the concept, by
    means of the concept.

    And I do not believe that this is realistic, to go beyond the concept with the concept. It's sort of self-contradicting.

    In reality, he ought to accept what is demonstrated by the concept "infinity", is that the concept must go beyond the non-conceptual. This is a fundamental necessity for measurement. In order that all things might be measured we need to allow that the concept (infinity) extends beyond all things. The problem is that this reality is consistent with idealism, and Adorno wants to reject idealism.

    Then Adorno describes what spurs philosophy in the direction of infinity in the first place:

    What spurs philosophy to the risky exertion of its own infinity is the unwarranted expectation that every individual and particular which it decodes would represent, as in Leibniz’s monad, that whole in itself, which as such always and again eludes it
    Jamal

    I take this as a misrepresentation of philosophy. I believe that philosophers have always recognized "infinity" to be a concept used in measurement. I don't believe there has ever been an expectation such as the one described here by Adorno.
  • Jamal
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    To me, Adorno misrepresents the concept of "infinity", and misrepresents philosophy, in generalMetaphysician Undercover

    I suggest not making too much of his thoughts on infinity, because they're not necessary for an understanding of negative dialectics. It's just an angle, one that's only really significant in opposition to German idealism.

    He's not really interested in how philosophy in general has treated infinity; he just wants to take it from Hegel and refunction it, as a way of pointing at what negative dialectics is doing. The point is just that the infinite can play a role suggestively, referring to philosophy's inconclusiveness and the endless variety of experience.

    It's best just to think of it [EDIT: I mean this part of his thinking] in terms of speculation and the irrational.
  • Metaphysician Undercover
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    The point is just that the infinite can play a role suggestively, referring to philosophy's inconclusiveness and the endless variety of experience.Jamal

    Point accepted. As I said it's confusing to me, but if it's not too important, that's good. So I assume that he' turns around what "infinity" refers to, so that it's not just a concept, but something real in itself. And that real thing, the real object which "infinity" refers to is demonstrated by philosophy itself, or the traditional way of doing philosophy, which proves to be endless.

    "Infinity" is not a concept which philosophy holds in completeness, having it at its disposal, to apply at will. "Infinity" ought to be understood more like a descriptive term which describes the philosophical process. Therefore philosophy is contained by infinity, rather than infinity being contained by philosophy.

    So philosophers attempts to apprehended the infinite manifest as philosophy getting lost to the infinite:

    The concept cannot otherwise represent the thing
    which it repressed, namely mimesis, than by appropriating something
    of this latter in its own mode of conduct, without losing itself to it.

    That would explain the part about canceling itself out, and "pseudo-morphosis". A quick Google search tells me that this is a concept proposed by Oswald Spengler in "The Decline of the West".
  • Jamal
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    That would explain the part about canceling itself out, and "pseudo-morphosis". A quick Google search tells me that this is a concept proposed by Oswald Spengler in "The Decline of the West".Metaphysician Undercover

    The original geological concept makes more sense to me: it’s when a mineral replaces another mineral but takes the first one’s shape. Adorno is saying that art and philosophy (at their best, I assume) do not allow this, i.e., they do not allow their content to be replaced, leaving only form. It’s the content that matters most. What they have in common is what ensures that one cannot become the other: to each its own proper content.
  • frank
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    I've thought a lot about Adorno's ideas about form and content. He's saying that if you sit in the audience and listen to a symphony, it may be labeled as a Mozart concert, but in a sense, you aren't listening to Mozart. Mozart is the form. What you're actually contacting is the content, alive and unfolding out of itself in time.

    This idea that the performance is what it's all about became the norm with the recording of music. So if I refer to Jimi Hendrix's performance of the Star Spangled Banner, it's content I'm referring to. Yes, the form is there, but as a necessary component.

    In our time, things have partially changed again with mixes, so that production is often the focal point, for instance you can hear multiple performances of a Teddy Swims song, sung by him. What's different each time is the production. I'm not sure how production fits into the form/content scheme. Sgt. Peppers was released two years before he died, so he might have had a chance to recognize the importance of production. He might have aligned it with content? Although, it's such an integral part of the music it's hard to separate it out.
  • Jamal
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    I’ll say something about the last two paragraphs of the “Infinity” section.

    To this extent the aesthetic moment is, albeit for totally different reasons than in Schelling, not accidental to philosophy. Not the least of its tasks is to sublate this in the committalness [Verbindlichkeit] of its insights into what is real. This latter and play are its poles. The affinity of philosophy to art does not justify the borrowing of this by the former, least of all by virtue of the intuitions which barbarians consider the prerogative of art. Even in aesthetic labor they hardly ever strike in isolation, as lightning-bolts from above. They grow out of the formal law of the construction; if one wished to titrate them out, they would melt away. Thinking by no means protects sources, whose freshness would emancipate it from thought; no type of cognition is at our disposal, which would be absolutely divergent from that which disposes over things, before which intuitionism flees panic-stricken and in vain.

    In a nutshell, art is something to emulate, but carefully: not to imitate its reliance on intuition, but to learn from its non-coercive engagement with the non-conceptual.

    The philosophy which imitated art, which wanted to become a work of art, would cancel itself out. It would postulate the identity-claim: that its objects vanish into it, indeed that they grant their mode of procedure a supremacy which disposes over the heterogenous as a priori material, while the relationship of philosophy to the heterogenous is virtually thematic. What art and philosophy have in common is not form or patterning procedures, but a mode of conduct which forbids pseudo-morphosis. Both keep faith with their own content through their opposition; art, by making itself obdurate against its meaning; philosophy, by not clinging to anything immediate. The philosophical concept does not dispense with the longing which animates art as something non-conceptual and whose fulfillment flees from its immediacy as appearance [Schein]. The concept, the organon of thought and nevertheless the wall [Mauer: external wall] between this and what is to be thought through, negates that longing. Philosophy can neither circumvent such negation nor submit itself to it. What is incumbent on it, is the effort to go beyond the concept, by means of the concept.

    If philosophy were to attempt to be art, it would turn the non-conceptual into mere cognitive material, in which its mode of procedure (its form) had supremacy over the non-conceptual content. But we must engage things on their own terms. This is like the difference between, e.g., viewing the mechanics and acoustics of the saxophone as a neutral medium, the material, for musical expression, and viewing them rather as themselves shaping what is being expressed through their limits and resistances.
  • Metaphysician Undercover
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    The original geological concept makes more sense to me: it’s when a mineral replaces another mineral but takes the first one’s shape.Jamal

    Here's another possible interpretation.

    First, this is Spengler:

    By the term ‘historical pseudomorphosis’ I propose to designate those cases in which an older alien Culture lies so massively over the land that a young Culture, born in this land, cannot get its breath and fails not only to achieve pure and specific expression-forms, but even to develop fully its own self-consciousness. All that wells up from the depths of the young soul is cast in the old moulds, young feelings stiffen in senile works, and instead of rearing itself up in its own creative power, it can only hate the distant power with a hate that grows to be monstrous.

    https://jnnielsen.medium.com/permutations-of-pseudomorphosis-8afafb6771f4

    Adorno's use is difficult to understand. But pay attention to the role of the heterogenous in his description. The heterogenous is the content, and both art and philosophy "keep faith" with their content, through a conduct which forbids pseudo-morphisis. Notice, Spengler's 'historical pseudomorphosis' propagates hate therefore it must be forbidden. Each, art and philosophy, keeps faith with its content through its own form of intrinsic opposition. Art will make itself obdurate against its own meaning, while philosophy distances itself from the immediate, by putting the concept in between, as a wall. These forms of negating itself, should actually be considered as keeping faith with its content..

    What's interesting is that the geological concept may make more sense in the case of art, because art uses a material medium. But notice in the case of philosophy, the medium (the wall) is the concept, so I think the social concept of pseudo-morphisis makes more sense in the case of philosophy. So ‘historical pseudomorphosis', in Spengler's sense, is forbidden through that use of the wall, the concept, ideology, by which philosophy distances itself from the immediate.
  • Metaphysician Undercover
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    Speculative Moment.

    It appears to me, that the principal point of this section is stated in the final paragraph.

    The power of the existent constructs the facades into which the
    consciousness crashes. It must try to break through them. This alone
    would snatch away the postulate from the profundity of ideology. The
    speculative moment survives in such resistance: what does not allow
    itself to be governed by the given facts, transcends them even in the
    closest contact with objects and in the renunciation of sacrosanct
    transcendence. What in thought goes beyond that to which it is bound
    in its resistance is its freedom. It follows the expressive urge of the
    subject. The need to give voice to suffering is the condition of all truth.
    For suffering is the objectivity which weighs on the subject; what it
    experiences as most subjective, its expression, is objectively mediated.

    Here's an attempt to understand that paragraph.

    The consciousness must try to break through the facades which have been constructed by the power of the existent. This would release (snatch away) the postulate from its relation to the profundity of ideology. That is a conscious resistance, which allows the speculative moment to persist, by not allowing itself to be governed by the given facts [ideology]. This produces transcendence in close contact with objects, through the renunciation of sacrosanct transcendence. When thought, in such resistance, goes beyond that which binds it [the ideology of given facts], this is its freedom. Thought can then follow the expressive urge of the subject. And, since suffering is the weight of the object on the subject, the need to give voice to suffering is the primary condition for all [objective] truth. Therefore what the subject experiences as the most subjective, the expression of suffering, is actually the experience which is most objectively mediated.
  • Moliere
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    Yup, that's how I read it.

    But with what came before I'd say a couple more things for a summation, I think. I think he's addressing the positivists skepticism, and it seems he even includes Kant in that family when he speaks of the resistance of Kant. That makes sense to me since he was exploring the scientific basis of philosophy, and much of philosophy after Kant is a reaction to attempt to somehow "overcome" his system, or demonstrate that it's not the architectonic which it purports to be.

    Though Adorno notes that the responses have been obscure, he wants to speak up in favor of this speculative thinking, or a moment within thinking, whereby the facts, on their face or as read, do not determine thought, but rather produce a facade through his through which thought must push towards and outward from in order to get closer to the things themselves.

    Only, without a category that determines the thing -- it's non-conceptual. In a way I think I can see the fantasm as the appearance, whereas negative dialectics wishes to get beyond the appearance of facts (themselves conceptual) to the thing.
  • Moliere
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    Page 30(Printed at bottom)/Page 31(PDF page)--

    . It is not an end in itself at the latter’s expense, but carries it
    off out of the thingly bad state of affairs, for its part an object of
    philosophical critique

    I'm wondering if anyone has thoughts on what "thingly bad state of affairs" means. I was wondering if it's supposed to say "thinly" just as a first guess?
  • Moliere
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    Looking back at the ending of Speculative Moment and I found its conclusion beautiful:

    What in thought goes beyond that to which it is bound
    in its resistance is its freedom. It follows the expressive urge of the
    subject. The need to give voice to suffering is the condition of all truth.
    For suffering is the objectivity which weighs on the subject; what it
    experiences as most subjective, its expression, is objectively mediated.

    Goes to your noting that Adorno wants to give expression to the suffering @Jamal


    EDIT: Just throwing another one in this same comment because I wanted to highlight it:

    Great
    philosophy was always accompanied by the paranoid zeal to tolerate
    nothing but itself, and to pursue this with all the ruses of its reason,
    while this constantly withdraws further and further from the pursuit.


    EDIT2: Also I'm finding myself scratching my head in the first paragraph of Portrayal (Darstellung) -- Darstellung contrasts with Vorstellung, which is what I'm gathering to be the difference between the importance of Portrayal in philosophy, at the beginning, and how it is not just science at the end.

    Vorstellung is usually translated as "Representation", and in Kant is important to scientific knowledge. So I understand that much. Darstellung is the "portrayal" -- expression, language -- of the representation. But I'm struggling to see how Darstellung, in Adorno, differentiates philosophy from science at the end somehow and that's what I'm puzzling over:

    If the moment of expression tries to be anything more, it
    degenerates into a point of view; were it to relinquish the moment of
    expression and the obligation of portrayal, it would converge with
    science.
  • Jamal
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    @Moliere I intend to respond in a few days. Just so you know I’m not ignoring you.
  • Moliere
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    :up: No worries. I found some time and motivation so started back in, but whenever whatever.
  • Pussycat
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    The full quote is:
    This may help to explain why portrayal [Darstellung] is not a matter of
    indifference or external to philosophy, but immanent to its idea. Its
    integral moment of expression, non-conceptually-mimetic, becomes
    objectified only through portrayal – language. The freedom of
    philosophy is nothing other than the capacity of giving voice to this
    unfreedom. If the moment of expression tries to be anything more, it
    degenerates into a point of view; were it to relinquish the moment of
    expression and the obligation of portrayal, it would converge with
    science.

    From this we/I gather:
    1) Philosophy is only mediated through language, language is its only portrayal. No images, gestures, music etc.
    2) Philosophy is free as long as it pictures the unfreedom that the non-conceptual suffers under the concept, ie it portrays (its) suffering.
    3) There are 2 dangers in this picturing:
    a) If philosophy tries to do anything more, eg. justifying it, redeeming it, affirming it, renouncing it etc, then it degenerates into a point of view. It is an imperative from Adorno to let philosophy only be interested in the portrayal, and leave all other matters - consequences, implications, interpretations etc - open. As if it is not philosophy's job to settle the suffering, by direct approach, at least.
    b) If philosophy abdicates from its role of giving voice to suffering, from its obligation, then it pseudo-morphises into science.

    EDIT: I think for Adorno there are like two philosophies: philosophical science and philosophical philosophy. It seems to me that he is only interested in the latter.
  • Moliere
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    Alright, thanks. That helps me understand the paragraph better.
  • Pussycat
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    There is another quote that you also might find of interest:

    Dialectics is the consistent consciousness of non-identity. It is not related in advance to a standpoint. Thought is driven, out of its unavoidable insufficiency, its guilt for what it thinks, towards it.

    It seems to me that what Adorno is saying here, is that guilt is an integral part of philosophy. That without guilt, there would be no philosophy. Or, if negative dialectics is the engine of philosophy, then that guilt would be its fuel. Then maybe guilt is the criterion that delineates a good philosophy from a bad one (at best), or from a completely aphilosophical one (at worst).
  • Metaphysician Undercover
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    Though Adorno notes that the responses have been obscure, he wants to speak up in favor of this speculative thinking, or a moment within thinking, whereby the facts, on their face or as read, do not determine thought, but rather produce a facade through his thought must push towards and outward from in order to get closer to the things themselves.Moliere

    I think that we need to make sure that we properly interpret how Adorno uses "facts" here.
    The speculative moment survives in such resistance: what does not allow itself to be governed by the given facts.
    I believe the "given facts" are what is posited, postulated by positivism, as what is the case. So the resistance spoken about, which is correlated to the speculative moment, is a resistance to the ideology of positivism.
  • Jamal
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    Before I say something about the "Speculative Moment" section, I'll just pick up on something in the previous section.

    The philosophical concept does not dispense with the longing which animates art as something non-conceptual and whose fulfilment flees from its immediacy as appearance [Schein]. The concept, the organon of thought and nevertheless the wall [Mauer: external wall] between this and what is to be thought through, negates that longing. Philosophy can neither circumvent such negation nor submit itself to it. What is incumbent on it, is the effort to go beyond the concept, by means of the concept.

    The last sentence expresses an idea that's quite familiar to us now, but I'm interested in the idea of concepts as simultaneously barriers between subject and object and also the only means of access that the subject has to get to those objects by way of thought (accepting that there is no uninterpreted object of cognitive access). This makes me think of perception. There's a popular way of thinking about perception, namely as a distorting medium that ensures that all we can know through the senses are internal representations, meaning that we are necessarily cut off from the world around us, isolated minds housed within sensory pods. I have often voiced the view that, on the contrary, this pod scepticism mistakes our means of access to the world for a barrier — our senses are what enable us to know the world and act effectively in it. And I think this captures what Adorno means when he speaks of mediation.

    One could tackle the present issue in the same way, to defend thinking against a thoroughgoing scepticism of the intellect, e.g., an intuitionism like Bergson's that says we can't hope to grasp the truth of reality through concepts. But simply coming down on the side of successful access would, of course, not be dialectical enough—Adorno wants us to think of a concept as both a barrier and a means of access, to see the essential contradiction or paradox in the activity of philosophy. Similarly, we could try to circumvent the interminable debate over the "problem of perception" with a dialectical approach. In fact, Adorno probably has something like that view, since he is dead against naive realism and also takes the falsity of appearances as a fundamentally important theme in philosophy. Furthermore, Adorno's whole point is that concepts do not ensure a successful access to or grasp of reality.

    This dialectical approach exemplifies immanent critique. I can best explain this by first outlining my previous way of thinking.

    When I was thinking about hyperbolic scepticism and the problem of perception I would often say, in the same breath as my emphasis on access and my criticism of the idea of a barrier, that we cannot oppose these ideas by meeting them on their own terms. For example, one doesn't oppose external world scepticism by arguing point-by-point against those who see it as a serious problem for epistemology, but rather by undermining the hidden premises, refusing even to countenance the supposedly secure starting point (in the head with a primary self-knowledge).

    Immanent critique does things differently. It precisely does engage with ideas on their own terms—not to refute them directly, but to push their internal logic until it leads to contradictions. Where the sceptic's barrier is dismissed outright by the direct realist, Adorno's dialectics enter the barrier (the concept), exposing how its contradictions reveal the very non-identity it tries to suppress.

    Thus, following the practice of immanent critique Adorno will repeatedly emphasize the seeming paradox of using inadequate concepts to go beyond concepts, by means of an exposure of their inadequacy. He wants to use concepts to transcend concepts precisely because their inadequacy is not only an obstacle but is also the negative pathway to truth. In doing so he is engaging with the idea of the concept as barrier, without abandoning the concept simply because it's a barrier.
  • Jamal
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    I'm wondering if anyone has thoughts on what "thingly bad state of affairs" means. I was wondering if it's supposed to say "thinly" just as a first guess?Moliere

    Interesting!

    Expression and stringency are not dichotomous possibilities for it. They need each other, neither is without the other. The expression is relieved of its contingency by thought, on which it works just as thought works on it. Thinking becomes, as something which is expressed, conclusive only through linguistic portrayal; what is laxly said, is badly thought. Through expression, stringency is compelled from what is expressed. It is not an end in itself at the latter’s expense, but carries it off out of the thingly bad state of affairs, for its part an object of philosophical critique.

    It's definitely thingly, since he uses it again later on in the book, where it's helpfully accompanied by the German:

    As mediated as being is by the concept and therein by the subject, so mediated is, in the reverse case, the subject by the world in which it lives, so powerless and merely internalized too is its decision. Such powerlessness permits the victory of the thingly bad state of affairs [dinghafte Unwesen] over the subject. — section: Function of the Concept of the Existent

    A.I. gives me the following for dinghafte Unwesen in this context:

    - Reified monstrosity
    - Thing-like perversion
    - Thingly mischief
    - Reified disorder
    - The tyranny of thinghood
    - Thingly corruption
    - Reified malignity

    I think it's connected with alienation and commodity fetishism. The state of affairs he is talking about is one in which things dominate the individual, e.g., commodities or institutions. This is the state of affairs characterized by reification, in which relationships are frozen conceptually into fixed and autonomous things. This is made more obvious in the later passage. The first passage says that careful expression in language is required to break out of the thingly way of thinking that is habitual in this thingly society, i.e., to break out of reification and of static thinking.

    Incidentally, Ashton has "materialized mischief". If my interpretation is right, Ashton's translation, though it reads more smoothly, is seriously inaccurate.

    By the way, I haven't got to the Portrayal section yet, so I'll say more about all that later.
  • Jamal
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    Introduction: Speculative Moment

    This section is about speculation and depth, covered mainly in lecture 9. There's something I missed in my post about that lecture, because I didn't pick up on the reference: the meaning of the speculative moment in Hegel's Logic. I'll look at that now.

    The springboard of Hegel's philosophy is the antinomy of pure reason described by Kant in the "Transcendental Dialectic" of the Critique of Pure Reason. Kant showed that reason and in particular speculative metaphysics, in reaching beyond experience, inevitably produces irresolvable contradictions between apparently justified propositions. For instance, here is the first antinomy:

    Thesis: The world has a beginning in time and is also enclosed within bounds as regards space.

    Antithesis: The world has no beginning and no bounds in space, but is infinite as re­gards both time and space.

    And both turn out to be well-supported.

    For Kant, rather than siding with one or the other, philosophy must recognize these contradictions as the result of reason's attempt to transcend the limits of possible experience (in this case seeking the unconditioned totality of the world), an attempt which, though natural, is bound to fail. So one of the major tasks of transcendental philosophy is critical restraint: to confine reason within the bounds of experience.

    But Hegel sees the antinomies not as failures of reason or "dialectical illusions," as Kant put it, but as revealing the legitimate, and necessary, dialectical movement of thought. So contradiction is the engine of truth, which unfolds through that dialectical movement in phases, or moments:

    Abstract (thesis)
            ↓
    Negative (antithesis)
            ↓
    Speculative/Concrete (synthesis)
    

    Another version looks like this:

    Understanding (thesis)
            ↓
    Dialectic (antithesis)
            ↓
    Speculation (synthesis)
    

    Thus, in Kantian terms you could say that for Hegel the synthesis, also known as the speculative moment, is where reason advances successfully beyond experience, and therefore that the speculative is not as futile as Kant said it was. But it's misleading to put it in those Kantian terms: for Hegel, the speculative moment is not beyond experience at all, since he abandons Kant's dualism and everything becomes immanent to reason. Speculative thought is not a failure but is rather the culmination of reason: rather than reaching beyond experience it grasps experience as the process of reason realizing itself in and through the world.

    Now we come to Adorno. As I see it, he wants to preserve the speculative moment while abandoning its claim to success, reconciliation, and synthesis. For Hegel, the speculative moment and synthesis are almost the same thing, but Adorno prises them apart. The moment then becomes the crisis point that can help to reveal the truth, only negatively: he agrees with Hegel that the speculative moment reveals or points to the truth—and this is why he pays his respects by using the concept at all—but disagrees that this is a conclusive, positive truth in which the antithetical propositions are reconciled.

    @Metaphysician Undercover @Moliere: I agree that the last paragraph is crucial. Every so often we see the central motivation of negative dialectics.

    The power of the existent constructs the facades into which the consciousness crashes. It must try to break through them. This alone would snatch away the postulate from the profundity of ideology. The speculative moment survives in such resistance: what does not allow itself to be governed by the given facts, transcends them even in the closest contact with objects and in the renunciation of sacrosanct transcendence. What in thought goes beyond that to which it is bound in its resistance is its freedom. It follows the expressive urge of the subject. The need to give voice to suffering is the condition of all truth. For suffering is the objectivity which weighs on the subject; what it experiences as most subjective, its expression, is objectively mediated.

    The existent is the social reality whose power produces ideology, i.e., produces conceptual structures that mask the material reality of social relationships. When consciousness breaks through this facade, it takes the ideological claim (a postulate like "the market is rational") out of its fake depth and exposes it as a mask for a historically contingent reality. Mathematical economics naturalizes precarity and suffering—the market doesn't work for everyone, to say the least—thereby justifying the system, as all good ideology must do.

    But I wondered in what way the ideology from which the postulate has been snatched away by our bold consciousnesses was supposed to appear as profound. Well, the idea that the market is rational uses mathematics to dress up transient conditions as universal and necessary—just as law-governed, eternal and fundamental as gravity. The science of economics here has a fake depth, an ideology in the form, not just of a hazy bunch of ideas, but of a mathematical system of equations and graphs.

    Or think of another ideological postulate that still gets a lot of support (e.g., Jordan Peterson): social hierarchies are natural. Once again, the very attempt to naturalize is a semblance of depth, and kind of like the economic example, this is also backed up by a purportedly rigorous science, namely sociobiology or evolutionary psychology. Or we can even just look at Hobbes, who put these ideas in the form of a profound philosophy.

    The speculative moment survives in such resistance: what does not allow itself to be governed by the given facts, transcends them even in the closest contact with objects and in the renunciation of sacrosanct transcendence.

    An interesting sentence. In the speculative moment we go beyond the given facts, the appearances which are so often misleading (and ideological). But this transcendence is not the "sacrosanct transcendence" of traditional metaphysics, which ventures into a pure, higher, eternal reality. No, the reality we hope to reach is immanent to experience.

    The trouble is, immanent transcendence is an oxymoron. As Adorno might say, "that's just too bad".

    What in thought goes beyond that to which it is bound in its resistance is its freedom. It follows the expressive urge of the subject.

    Thought aims to break through the facade but is also bound to the object as that to which it is directed, since this is immanent critique that takes the facts on their own terms. The expressive urge of the subject is the urge to express in words, or concepts, the non-conceptual that lies repressed in the facts. Which leads to this:

    The need to give voice to suffering is the condition of all truth. For suffering is the objectivity which weighs on the subject; what it experiences as most subjective, its expression, is objectively mediated.

    Since this is the ethical core of negative dialectics, I feel I need to do it justice either by saying a lot or by saying nothing. For now I'll go with the latter, because I'm out of juice.
  • Jamal
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    Though Adorno notes that the responses have been obscure, he wants to speak up in favor of this speculative thinking, or a moment within thinking, whereby the facts, on their face or as read, do not determine thought, but rather produce a facade through his thought must push towards and outward from in order to get closer to the things themselves.

    Only, without a category that determines the thing -- it's non-conceptual. In a way I think I can see the fantasm as the appearance, whereas negative dialectics wishes to get beyond the appearance of facts (themselves conceptual) to the thing.
    Moliere

    Exactly. And the sentence I've bolded hits the nail on the head. Adorno's version of speculative thought is only negative; it doesn't offer a positive dogma consisting of a system of categories.
  • Jamal
    10.8k
    EDIT2: Also I'm finding myself scratching my head in the first paragraph of Portrayal (Darstellung) -- Darstellung contrasts with Vorstellung, which is what I'm gathering to be the difference between the importance of Portrayal in philosophy, at the beginning, and how it is not just science at the end.

    Vorstellung is usually translated as "Representation", and in Kant is important to scientific knowledge. So I understand that much. Darstellung is the "portrayal" -- expression, language -- of the representation. But I'm struggling to see how Darstellung, in Adorno, differentiates philosophy from science at the end somehow and that's what I'm puzzling over:

    "If the moment of expression tries to be anything more, it degenerates into a point of view; were it to relinquish the moment of expression and the obligation of portrayal, it would converge with science."
    Moliere

    Maybe something like this. Darstellung or the moment of expression is the deliberate interpretation of the given facts, whereas Vorstellung, the representation, is the given fact itself. The latter may also be a product of interpretation, but this interpretation is unknowing and ideological, such that things that are the product of ideology are taken as given. Darstellung on the other hand is an interpretation of an interpretation; that is, a re-appraisal, by means of expression in concepts and language, of the given facts. Or better put, it is the construction of a space, by means of dialectical confrontations and movements, in which reality can reveal itself.

    The freedom of philosophy is nothing other than the capacity of giving voice to this unfreedom. If the moment of expression tries to be anything more, it degenerates into a point of view; were it to relinquish the moment of expression and the obligation of portrayal, it would converge with science.

    On one side of the tightrope we fall into mere personal opinion (or a scream of pain), and on the other side it's scientism. Darstellung controls expression by applying a method (dialectics, immanent critique), thus avoiding the first danger; and in its speculative nature, its dynamic dialectical nature, and the negativity of its critique, it avoids reification—which means it avoids scientism, since scientism rests on the treatment of dynamic relations as thing-like facts.

    But this section goes deeper than that, since he is talking about his own mode of expression, i.e., it's meta. Expression in language that aims to uncover reality in the way described above should itself enact dialectics in its mode of expression. Thus, we get Adorno's way of writing: style as substance, form as content (I'm glad we've finally got back to this topic, which I think I mentioned on the first page of this thread). Rather than obscurantism, this is the fullest stringency (EDIT: or maybe better put, the best balance between expression and stringency). He does not want to explain and describe, but to performatively expose. The same applies to negative dialectics as applies to screenwriting: show don't tell.
  • Jamal
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    But this section goes deeper than that, since he is talking about his own mode of expression, i.e., it's meta. Expression in language that aims to uncover reality in the way described above should itself enact dialectics in its mode of expression. Thus, we get Adorno's way of writing: style as substance, form as content (I'm glad we've finally got back to this topic, which I think I mentioned on the first page of this thread). Rather than obscurantism, this is the fullest stringency (EDIT: or maybe better put, the best balance between expression and stringency). He does not want to explain and describe, but to performatively expose. The same applies to negative dialectics as applies to screenwriting: show don't tell.Jamal

    So how does this play out in the text? Take the following sentence as an example.

    The speculative moment survives in such resistance: what does not allow itself to be governed by the given facts, transcends them even in the closest contact with objects and in the renunciation of sacrosanct transcendence.

    The thing to notice is how compressed it is. It awkwardly crams in too many thoughts. I would word it more naturally using multiple sentences, one following the other with a linear logic. For instance:

    The speculative moment, which does not allow itself to be governed by the given facts, survives in such resistance. It goes beyond the facts while remaining in the closest contact with objects. Furthermore, it does so while renouncing the sacrosanct transcendence of dogmatic metaphysics.

    My version is easier to read because it's laid out in a series of steps, whereas the original is all squashed together. But it also kind of defuses the tension. The original's very awkwardness is meant to make us actually feel the tensions and paradoxes. Notice also that in my version I removed any mention of "transcendence" in reference to going beyond the facts, so the contradiction of immanent trascendence did not appear. For Adorno, this is to hide what's important, which is to hold the contradictions open.

    You might say that my re-write is a middlebrow petit-bourgeois deradicalized version. Maybe that describes all of my posts in this group?

    EDIT: It just occurred to me: Adorno's style is mimesis in action, showing in the form of his writing the real contradictions of the world.
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