Then I have no idea what you're talking about. — Sam26

The body does not survive consciousness.

Is what I said and what I meant.

It's not about pros and cons. It's about what's right and wrong — TheMadFool

Evil has benefits in the short term. Drawbacks in the long term.

Take more spacetime into account and being good has more benefits most of the time.

Taking more spacetime into account requires more intelligence and experience.

But why do we need benefits? Because we are needy.

But check out how many variations could be: — javi2541997

Maybe the Tao Te Ching is a recipe for meat pie. lol

Yes, losing our "humanity" — TheMadFool

Well there is benefits and drawbacks to cooperation and competition.

Society now considerers slavery to have more drawbacks then benefits.

is the statement false or meaningless? — Amalac

It's art. Creatively sticking words together. :joke:

Do you think experiences can be shared? — Noble Dust

All communication predicates shared memories.

Two beings that are nothing alike can never communicate. One of them just saying hello might murder the other by accident.

Would you say the statement “the round square exists” is false, or meaningless? — Amalac

It's just sticking two words together. Like orange blue.

Lao Tse does not describe anything in Tao — javi2541997

Describing is the main thing he does in the Tao. He describes the Tao, which is consciousness.

Based on what reasoning should we conclude that the presence of those things is evidence that God (if he exists) is not benevolent? — baker

With form (creation) comes opposites:

up down

left right

good bad

higher forms of consciousness in the universe — Pantagruel

You're talking about perception and intelligence not consciousness. Those are facets of and in consciousness not consciousness itself.

If a lifeform has 100X more senses and brains then it might be able to perceive and think about alot more then we can. But it's consciousness will be equal.

What good is perceiving and thinking about more if you don't need to? A rock is doing just fine without anything.

The opposite of belief is skepticism — javi2541997

The opposite of belief is experience. and a description of something is not a belief about it.

but in its technical sense it is more or less synonymous with nonsense — Amalac

The when orange into it begone Thursday clock up language hot.

meaningless

Hot things are cold.

contradiction

Taoism is about believing — javi2541997

It's the opposite of that.

He is pointing to something beyond the mind, and instead of looking and seeing you are getting lost in thought about the pointers.

"The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon."

The anxiety is intense when the person is most original. — Søren Kierkegaard.

Original = different, and difference from others can increase self doubt.

So that quote just proves my original point.

This is the way you interpret it. For me, for example, it is speaking about omnipresence. — javi2541997

Consciousness is omnipresent.

Problem is you just don't realize the true nature of consciousness. So then you don't realize he is talking about it.

Consciousness is not in the brain, the brain is in consciousness.

Look and see for yourself. Stop believing and start looking.

It is the first verse of Tao. You can interpret it as you want. — javi2541997

He is describing consciousness. And he is solving the hard problem of consciousness that plagues modern neuroscience (which used to be called the mind body problem). Although mind and consciousness are two different things.

That's fine with me. — Noble Dust

So you didn't really explain anything. Or you simply displayed what "explanations" really are. They are nothing but pointers to experiences. and the experiences are ineffable. Therefore nothing is ever explained nor ever will be.

intelligent people say interesting things. — Shawn

Intelligence doesn't exist

The mind is nothing but a map of the territory. A map of high capacity and accuracy is said to be more "intelligent". The map is used to avoid pain and attain pleasure.

So the map is a conversion. A conversion of sense data into a usable model. The better and faster the conversion the more "intelligent" the mind.

Taoism which is a philosophical belief so free and open to interpretation. — javi2541997

No it's not. You only think it is because you don't know what its talking about. Because you have not experienced it, or recognized your experience of it.

"Sweet like sugar, thick and sticky, and slightly floral". Easy. — Noble Dust

You just proved my point. You tried to explain the taste of honey using other shared experiences.

I still don't know what honey taste like. When I taste it only then will I realize it was a little bit similar to what you described but also 100% different.

Where are you? — Corvus

I'm inside your solipsism.

"If you can't explain it to a forum of cantankerous autodidact philosophers, you still don't understand it." — Noble Dust

Try to explain the taste of honey to someone who has never tasted it and realize its impossible and nothing can be explained, for all "explanations" are dependent upon shared experience and experience is ineffable.

Did you expect more? — unenlightened

Have no expectations and receive no disappointments.

that's not how I see it. — T Clark

That is how you see it. Unfortunately your thinking and your seeing is not in alignment.

What is truth for you, it can be false for me... — javi2541997

There is only one objective reality. Math is the same for everyone. Feelings are different.

exploration of our existence, including scientific models and descriptions. — Jack Cummins

The mind is nothing but a map of the territory. Creating a map of something unknown does not make it known. It merely copies it so we can use it.

there is more to it than that. — T Clark

"If you can't explain it to a 12 year old you still don't understand it."

No. I will never teach any kid that. Teaching a kid that narcissistic type of crap will destroy lives. Like Trump's positive thinking. — PulsarDK

Self reflection and self responsibility are the opposite of narcissism.

What does this mean? It means look with your understanding — Constance

No it doesn't.

Consciousness and mind are two very different things.

I think you have your words switched around. Don't you mean to say, consciousness doesn't survive the body? — Sam26

No I didn't

How predictable human behavior in the physical world — Cidat

Open a psychology book and you'll read about yourself following predictable patterns.

If I could rephrase that to 'absolute control' or 'total control', then I would agree. — unenlightened

You have enough control to find food. Which allows you to live a short while before you die. lol

I got a funny feeling that I might had seen you before. — Corvus

“Look down on me and you see a fool, look up at me and you see a god. Look straight at me and you see yourself.”

I would have said everything is information, rather then nothing. — Pop

Reality contains patterns and connections and cause & effect. You can interpret that as "information" if you want but it's not.

"Information" is just a word that stands for parts of reality the mind uses to create a map then used to avoid pain and attain pleasure.

Slaves are human and yet we treated them like robots! — TheMadFool

Sure, but it was at a very high cost to ourselves.

Anarchism — thewonder

Privatize everything and you have anarchism without chaos.

does anyone continuously hold an absolute truth — Cidat

Something exists, is an absolute truth. It's not refutable because the refutation would prove it true.

we should to figure out what the book says because it is translated from Ancient Chinese — javi2541997

Truth is the same across all nations and races and languages. Once you know the truth you do not need to translate anything. It's not found in books.

Humans don't exist, so neither does our behavior. Only reality exists, and reality is eternal cause and effect. "Humans" are just a tiny aspect of that, and completely bound by it in every way.

This is reality speaking to itself. According to itself, and its own laws.

yield an understanding of underlying laws governing morality — ToothyMaw

Morality is just fairness. Once you realize that everything will become simple and clear.