Make up your mind what you're measuring, human evolution or access to satellites? They don't progress in the time-frame or scale. — Vera Mont
That's a very big and somewhat subjective list you are requesting. I can offer you one set of 'points in history' that I would put near the top of my list for being 'truths' that ultimately 'won' a human conflict.At what points in history have which 'truths' won what conflicts? — Vera Mont
I am not such a fan as gandhi was, in HIS notion of love, as he employs it above, but I fully agree with his use of 'truth' above.this hopeful, wishful, wistful wisp of BS:
When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won.
— universeness — Vera Mont
Maybe truth and love will triumph in the end , but they sure haven't yet. — Vera Mont

The word democracy means- a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives. — Athena
Athens did not take care of everyone as Sparta did, — Athena
Primitive human societies consciously invented social controls against hubris, vanity, greed and lust for power. Civilized codes of morality and law are intended to do much the same, but are far less effective, or else have the opposite effect in stratified, stupefied organizations. — Vera Mont
Because what gandhi said is not only true, it will eventually become the solution that happens faster and faster and with less and less damage. Eventually tyrants holding significant power, will become as impossible as is possible. In my opinion Ukraine should already have resulted in WW 3, but I remain quite hopeful that it will not.What's the difference, if they're followed anyway - whether in spite of their badness or because of it? — Vera Mont
Anti-natalism is pointless. It's not like mother earth wouldn't reestablish life if it was snuffed out, as it has many times before. Mass extinctions occur. But life as a whole, persists. — Benj96
"just a housewife". — Athena
Where would you like to go with this discussion of cultural differences? — Athena
Athens adopted democracy from Sparta — Athena
Never have more truthful words been typed or spoken Vera!!! :clap: :clap: :flower: and repeated by so many.the invention of money and religion the two worst ideas of civilization. — Vera Mont
I damn entire 'systems of governance' and via that, the nation or population that either supports it or does not do enough to change it. I also admire individuals. Even historical leaders like Spartacus or whoever the true leaders were, but more importantly, those every day people who rose up in slave revolts/revolutions etc. I have little interest in nationhood other than as a stepping stone to global unison. One planet, one species.I admire and excoriate individual persons, respect and disdain certain attitudes - not entire nations. — Vera Mont
Yet you have no reticence in retroactively imposing your own legal code on past civilizations, trashing regimes with which you disagree and proclaiming the superiority of 'modern' thinking over other eras and western values over other cultures. — Vera Mont
and at the same time, you accuse me of having a lack of reticence, when I outright damn systems such as the ones employed by the Spartans, Greeks, Romans etc.I don't. In fact, I consider civilization the wrong turn in human evolution — Vera Mont
Yes, humanity is still humanity: it still contains all the same elements that stone age, bronze age and medieval populations did, satisfies the same drives with ever more sophisticated tools. — Vera Mont
Some of us wish it would improve [ie fall in line with our own world-view]; some wish it so sincerely and passionately that we imagine ways such improvement could be brought about, insist that it's already happening and we just need to fight a little harder, believe a little more fervently to achieve the perfection of humankind. — Vera Mont
Again, absafragginlootly! I think I maybe over-using that colloquialism.That said, better my thread than Bartricks'. — Down The Rabbit Hole
But my point, aside from the fun, is that there will be an infinite number of Boltzmann Enterprises — Patterner
My code of law and ethics did not apply to the Nazis in the 20th century, as far as they were concerned, when they murdered lots of innocent people, just like the Spartans did. That's why I damn their 20th century notions of civilisation, as equally, as I damn the Spartan one, which lasted far longer, from 8th century BCE to about 200 BCE. Crime is crime, it does not reduce in it's potency or injustice due to the passage of time.They would kill or abandon defective children.
Your code of law and ethics do not apply to that culture. — Vera Mont
I hope you can take further into this awareness. — Athena
Anyway, isn't it helpful to see a modern example of thinking about the gods/aliens and humans? — Athena

However large, a googolplex is a finite number. If a finite number of things are spread out evenly in an infinite volume, there would be infinite distance between them on average. You find this nonsense? Perhaps you assume a finite size universe, in which case the question reduces to how finite? It becomes a simple division problem between two finite numbers to get the nonzero density of BBs, but given infinite space, any finite number of objects contained in that volume would have zero density. — noAxioms
I thought I had already answered that question with the suggestion that using my own subjective probability, I think that the universe is NOT infinite.Assuming that the universe is infinite, what do you think the probability is that you're a Boltzmann brain? — RogueAI
Universeness you may appreciate this. The Celts and Greeks got along just fine at first. Unlike the Celts and Romans. As the Celts perceived the Romans they not only made slaves of others, but they also made slaves of themselves. It would take a lot more information gathering for me to maintain a discussion of such matters but I think it is worth knowing more. — Athena
If we think of ourselves as evolved from an ape-like creature we can perhaps be more forgiving of human behavior and maybe a bit more in awe of our desire to do better. Packs of dogs and troops of chimpanzees do not stop to question the rightness of fighting for the recourses and territory they needed. Why do expect so much more from humans? — Athena
Just enjoy the opportunity to learn more and know more Athena, and then rest, in the comfort of knowing that your insatiable desire for more knowledge and to be able to 'understand,' is about the best and most virtuous desire it's possible for a human to demonstrate.My brain tires and it is time for me to rest. I am listening to lectures about Hinduism right now. Their epic myth that made them more resistant to war put them on a different path than the path Rome followed. My goodness there is so much to know, and my poor brain can't keep up with my desire to know. — Athena
I know nothing of them. — Athena
We were talking about subjective probabilities, not actual probabilities, and it's already known by me that I don't have "Down the Rabbit Hole"'s brain, so this "If the universe is infinite, then any given brain is either a RogueAI or a @Down The Rabbit Hole brain." is false. I already know that my own given brain cannot be Rabbit Hole's brain. — RogueAI
It is supposed that more than 8% of human DNA are archaic or inactivated /integrated viruses.
I wonder when a new viral disease arises, was it some sort of dispute within a once cooperative holistic genome where some factions decided to hell with this and stole little boats (membrane), coated themselves in it and ejected out into the external environment on solitary pursuits. — Benj96
If there were a googolplex of boltzmann brains in the universe then every coordinate in the universe would contain one and we would know what the universe was 'made of.'
Not so, and there are probably more than that many BBs in our universe, and hopefully more regular brains than that. — noAxioms
Thank you for your unrequested, unrequired and impudent condolences.That's like saying that the spatial extent of the universe must be finite. There is nothing precluding unbounded time, and my condolences if you cannot handle it. — noAxioms
Seth Lloyd has stated, "They fail the Monty Python test: Stop that! That's too silly!" — universeness
You might like these documentary series Lucy Worsley made about historical lies - she's very entertaining. — Vera Mont
ones with no power or influence. — Vera Mont
