All creatures, including humans, are born with instincts and evolution has favored the development of instincts that promote the survival of the species — Athena

I think this is almost irrefutable!

However, a society that focuses on technology and neglects education in virtues and good moral judgment full fills the fear of Zeus. We have mastered technology and turned our backs on the gods. We are technologically smart but not wise. — Athena

A clarion call of caution against how technology is employed and how it might affect all stakeholders involved is one that the human race has to hear and fully understand, through past examples which prove the point. We are technologically smart but we must become much wiser in its use.
To do this, however, we must obtain better control. WE CANNOT allow technological advancement and technological applications to be left to the whims and machinations of creatures such as Elon Musk.

What happened is an evil, and no one cares, leaving us to feel powerless against evil and like unwanted intruders in their nice day. They are just doing their jobs and we should not be bringing a problem to them — Athena

Did you go to the local/national newspapers with the story? Did you contact any human rights-based pressure groups? Did you write letters of complaint and get copies sent to every local politician in the area. Did you look at any legal path due to the fact that your Jewish friend suffered racial discrimination?
Did you ask for help from protest groups who might consider organising a petition or organise a protest outside the place where this counselor works? How angry are you, the Jewish community and those around your Jewish friend at his/her treatment? You have had setbacks in your pursuit of justice for your friend, do these initial defeats/barriers mean you are done fighting already?

It is irritating people like us, who get things done, but boy, does it take a toll on us and I would say 99% of the citizens think we should be following policy and stop making trouble — Athena

The fight is hard, sometimes very very hard and the rewards can be few indeed BUT YOUR FIGHT IS JUST! I think your 99% is a bit high, when others see your tenacity it can fire many towards supporting you.........eventually.

Is that not a base thought? — unenlightened

No, Resisting a thought I have labeled 'base' is my neocortex overruling an instinctive reaction/message/thought from my R-complex. I use the word 'base' here not in the sense of 'basic' but in the sense of 'low' or 'basement' or 'low brow' etc.
I say that with no qualifications in neuroscience at all but I have read Carl Sagan's Dragons of Eden and Broca's Brain and listened to some audiobooks by Dan Dennet and Sam Harris.
In otherwords, I don't even claim amateur status in neuroscience.

Am I the good that is left when the evil is removed or is the good what is left when I am removed? — unenlightened

I think the good is in what you do, not what you think you might do. Yes you have to resist your more base thoughts but you need fury if you are facing someone who wants to kill you or those you care about. Evil remains mainly subjective. There are human actions which are almost universally/objectively considered evil such as pedophilia but there are few of these I think.
We all have thoughts at times which seem outwith our normal sense of extremity.
If turned to actions these would indeed be evil but I think they are from the Freudian ID and are remnants of our instinctive reactions to experiences from our days in the wild. I think the main source of such is the R-complex of our triune brain. Sometimes called our reptilian or lizard brain section.

The poor natural people on Mururoa could live thousands of years without science. — Hillary

I think so many current societies owe a lot to abused minorities. We have to give back.
I am an avid supporter of all minority rights, especially indigenous peoples.
Do you remember this one:

Saying that some evil is necessary for good to exist is a total conceptualization of evil and, as such, it looses sight of a lot of human aspects of it — Angelo Cannata

Yeah, but you don't explain how we can know what good IS without a comparator existing!

I think the solution needs to be dialectic, which means, a permanent action of work, movement, progress, self-criticism, among the different elements and imbalances. — Angelo Cannata

I agree.

In other words, a conclusive answer to evil not only does not exist, but we need to be vigilant to avoid any temptation to find or to built it; a conclusive answer must not exist and we need to work actively to make impossible for it to exist. Conclusive answers to evil are worse than evil itself, because evil can change, but conclusive answers are aimed at not changing: they block progress.
So, from a philsophical point of view, facing the question “What to do with evil”, I think a good answer is working on philosophy to make it dynamic, permanently self-critical and in dialogue with experience and subjectivity, avoiding conclusive answers, conceptualizations that can make us disconnected, forgetful of personal human experience — Angelo Cannata

I agree we all need to keep the dialogue going about human perception of evil and how it manifests in individuals and groups but your suggested approach seems a bit weak to me.
I agree that we cannot totally defeat evil, it will always remain as a 'potential' and therefore a comparator but we should vigorously fight tooth and nail against it manifesting in the more extreme ways it did during such examples as the holocaust. I would like limits of future evil to be no higher a level than heated disagreement of the kind we exemplify on TPF and physical fighting to be limited to something like the queensbury rules.

I gave you examples of the effects! — Hillary

All your examples are due to human use of tech. All tech can be used for good purposes as well.

Not directly. You see, that's the scary thing with science. You dont know where it ends up — Hillary

That's true of all human activity.

There is not much in your response worth responding to except

But he did become the destroyer of two cities — Hillary

No, he didn't. Did Colt kill lots of cowboys? Oppenheimer did not launch the bombs which destroyed Nagasaki and Hiroshima. He does not even have sole responsibility for developing the atom bomb, he was no more than a significant cog.

It is human conceit to think only they can be evil. Our dog can be pretty mean! — Hillary

I don't think humans relish the idea that evil belongs to them alone but I think you are projecting your concept of evil onto what you label 'mean' actions in your dog. There is no way to currently know if your dog is actually capable of understanding the difference between the HUMAN concept of good and evil.
I think dogs can clearly demonstrate human concepts such as happy/sad/need/fear/anger/violence etc but not good/evil.

Oh come on brother Uni! Do you have your eyes closed? — Hillary

Right back at you!

Much more evil! I think it would be far more relaxed back then than now — Hillary

Based on what evidence?
Would you prefer to be chased by predators on an almost daily basis, having to find your hierarchical place amongst your tribe and show subservience to the desires and level of tolerance towards you of those with a better 'alpha' status that you?
You face disease, toothaches, skin diseases, parasitical infestations, venereal diseases etc, with almost 0 medical assistance available. Constant war and violence within and outwith your own community group. A horrible struggle for survival and a very good chance of a very short lifespan and a nasty death.
Do you really think your current life in your home with your wife is plagued by more evil threats now than you would have had as a cave-dwelling couple in an early community of homo sapiens?

Didnt Oppenheimer say he'd become death, the destroyer of worlds? — Hillary

Yeah, very dramatic-sounding BS. What world did Oppenheimer destroy? He is dead and the Earth is still here. A full nuclear exchange might kill all humans and create massive climate change but it would not destroy this planet. Even if it took a few million years, the Earth would recover.

It is human conceit to think only they — Hillary

That's the better example of human conceit, Oppenheimer's conceit that HE had become the destroyer of worlds :roll: Earth is quite capable of surviving human activity. It is much more threatened by the Sun's activity!

Don't think so. There are some pretty evil animals. Like people. — Hillary

Example? How about an evil dog? I can understand a human labeling particular dog behaviour as evil and I can tell when one dog is afraid of another but do you think the scared dog thinks the other dog is evil or merely of a higher (alpha) status than it.

Since science was introduced, the amount of evil has increased only. — Hillary

Based on what evidence?
So more evil today, compared to our days as jungle survivors? Total BS in my opinion.
Do you think there is more chance of human suffering and horrible death now for the vast majority of humans compared to our days in the jungle?
Don't suggest that the threat of global nuclear war is the big difference, because it's not, for two reasons.
1. Full global nuclear war has not ever happened so it's not a valid comparison yet.
2. We have always been threatened with extinction from natural disasters such as a big rock from space.
A full nuclear exchange would produce the same result, extinction. That threat has always been with
us, since the first homo sapiens

We are in the grand scheme of things insects in our own eyes. Bug spray? DDT? Fly swatters? Flypaper? — Agent Smith

Yet we give meaning and significance to the Universe. What is the point of trees and galaxies if such as we don't exist to look at them in wonder and ponder what, how and why they are?
Its true that if no one sees a tree fall in a forrest then that does not mean that the tree did not fall but if someone reports that it fell then that seems to give the event more meaning. Especially if the event is also memorialised.

Are some animals more evil than others?
Which animal actions would you consider evil?
Do you think that prey consider their predators evil?
Evil/good are inventions of human culture and its preference for a 'civilised system.'
Our Darwinian origin taught us that the jungle rules are not the most efficient way to increase human quality of life and longevity of life, so we created such concepts as good and evil and started to legislate to support what we identified as good behaviour and we legislated against what we identified as evil behaviour. Unfortunately, these new rules of acceptable behaviour were flawed from the beginning as they differed from village to village and tribe to tribe and would only hold if enforced.
Human suffering is such a complicated issue. This is confirmed by such popular adages as, 'we are our own worst enemies,' and 'one man's meat is another man's poison,' etc.
Imo, we just have to keep working hard to make things better for all humans and all other fauna and flora. The universe is my country and to do good things is my religion!

Ok, thanks for replying to my comment.

Allright! — Hillary

Was working on a new oil painting, will look at the link you sent in the PM soon.

I looked for more detail on 'fiat.' So you mean the question is not sanctioned yet, so still under mderation? So how did you get 16 responses?

I thought 'fiat' was a brand of car?
I also don't get 'ive given the question as an answer'
Do you mean you posted an answer to a question posted by someone else and then you got 16 responses to your answer?
If so, which of your answers are you referring to?

I thought you had posted lots of questions on Quora but I could only find examples of your answers to questions posted by others.
When I searched for you under 'questions,' I got no hits.
Has your question (16 responses) still going through their moderation process before it is placed on the live site?

I see you have posted lots of questions on quora. Good, I hope you get the expert responses from physicists which support/challenge your hypothesis. I am away to read some of it!

Ah, found it!!!!
I didn't put the pieces together till now. Using the FULL search criteria, I found your question.
Away to read it. Will post back later!

There are too many hits for that search criteria on quora. No success.
It's usually quite easy to copy and paste a URL even on a mobile phone, but no worries.
If you can provide the link then it would be interesting to read the question you posted and the responses you got.

SORRY! the penny has just dropped! I know what to search quora with!
A PM might have been easier and then I wouldn't have came to the completely wrong conclusion I did.

The question I asked is not give fiat yet... Yesterday asked. See what I mean? — Hillary

What? If you are trying to type that you cant provide a link to your quora question and your 16 answers yet, then fine. When will you be able to provide the link?

Why not? The wormhole vision popped up to show me how you can big bangs let emerge. The image was pumping like a heart, sending away two universes on opposite of the mouth. And I thank the gods for that image. — Hillary

It's irrational to accept dreamed images as relevant to reality.
Your brain certainly can continue to 'think' during your dream states but that has nothing to do with the supernatural.

Jesus brother Uni! You know my name! M...? — Hillary

In the true traditions of the false gods, you go by many names. none of which are significant.

Not one you understand — Hillary

It's my understanding that fuels my decision to reject many of your viewpoints.

The gods life eternally. No first reason necessary. Eternal intelligence itself is reason. My serial big bang is inspired by the divine longing to watch eternally to their creation. The torus vision I saw in that divine dream — Hillary

As I said, no rationale!

My name is not M... — Hillary

Can you still hear the wolfs cry?
Can you be sure my name is Stephen? Do I really paint? etc etc!
You believe what people tell you or you don't.
I have good radar and a good ability to smell subterfuge when it really matters so I am unconcerned.
Not immune, but unconcerned!
Remember this

Not one is a first cause cause. Jesus brother Uni I get a bit tired of having to defend myself. If your intention is to unmask the theist, go try it at someone else. You cant unmask me because I wear no mask! — Hillary

But you do state god is your first cause, yes?
I am not asking you to defend yourself, I am asking you to explain yourself.
You have tried to but I still see no rationale which you claim connects your physics to your polytheism.
I remain of the opinion that you insult your physics with your polytheism and that will stay with me as regards you.
Your claim that you don't wear masks is just ridiculous since you claimed to be an atheist on one occasion and did not correct another member who thought you were female.
I am trying to get you to focus on your science ability and not your polytheism.
It's okay for you to resist and utterly reject my attempts but I can be as tenacious as you!
I don't mind if I am unsuccessful, I have already posted to you the words 'Well, I tried.'
I will move on eventually but I will always dig you about it as long as we are communicating.

Yes. On stack exchange, physics forum and one national here — Hillary

Searched for M il Guercio on quora and only got some matches with free books to read that had author names which were partly related to M il Guercio.
No matches when I searched under 'profile,' 'questions,' or 'threads.'
Posting a direct link would be easier if you have no reason not to.

Science is BS just the same. But you won't admit it — Hillary

Yeah, because your suggestion is incorrect.

My dear mother of god... — Hillary

If all your gods have mothers and they had mothers are you not back to infinite regress again.
Which god is your chosen first cause?
Do you have a name for it or do you just go with the generic lazy label g o d ? :brow:

That's because you don't understand QFT properly and just parrot what the "expert" says. Can't you see what they do? Apparently not. I suggest you study QFT properly first, before continuing. You don't seem to get it! — Hillary

Yeah, says you! I would benefit from more study in physics but I predict that if I achieve such then my distance from your physics posits will increase not decrease.

Because if you didn't offer the posting I wouldn't have posted myself! M il Guercio. My pseudo on quora — Hillary

I thought you said you had been on these sites many times and had been banned many times!
I will search on quora for your pseudonym.

I meant I find it not boring but most youngsters do. My dear mother of god brother Uni. Why the hostility? — Hillary

No hostility involved, just reaction to the words you type!

I like the gods. If you don't then you dont. I dont wanna talk about them gods anymore. Lets talk science! — Hillary

Life doesn't work that way! As the famous Judge Judy says on TV.
"Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining."
I wonder if Judge Judy is often quoted on philosophy websites? :lol:
Oh! Laughing at my own attempts at humour again! :blush:

My bullets are blanks! So the worst I can do is bruise someone! — Agent Smith

Shooting blanks does not seem like a very useful activity to me but, each to their own! :smile:

But you nevef can forbid people to talk woowoo BS — Hillary

I am glad you at least admit it's BS, but no, I don't mind if foolish people insist on remaining foolish.
Some people kill themselves and I can't stop that either.
I am human enough to feel pity/sadness for them.

That's what they tell you and you parrot it. — Hillary

That's because I am more convinced by my understanding of their physics than yours.
I dont care if you suggest that's because I dont understand your physics.
I think I understand enough to reject it in favour of those who suggest that phenomena such as photon absorption happens.

I'm blind, I've never held a gun in my hand, and I'm shooting. What do you expect? — Agent Smith

I expect you to ask someone to be your eyes and help improve your aim at least or stop shooting until you employ such assistance as shooting guns can be a very dangerous activity for a blind novice/neophyte! :gasp:

Not sure I get this. You are no youngster. Okay. And you like science. Okay. Just like me. But still, most youngsters dont — Hillary

Read what you type! YOU TYPED:

I dont think it is. But most youngsters do! — Hillary

You suggested most youngsters find science wonderful and exciting, like I do!

Then stop thinking about gods! :lol: — Hillary

Right back at you!!!!!

How would talking with a mystic change your physics, and how do you know it's not for the good? I think Bohm learns more about physics from talking to the mystic than from talking to you and listen to your view on physics, which is rather shallow, if you don't mind me saying — Hillary

No, I don't at all mind you saying! If I advocate for humans to become an interplanetary species with increased lifespan options then I think it would be more progressive towards such goals to promote science and scientists that regress or hinder such goals by allowing BS from mystics to have airspace.

Doesn't worry me what people think about him. I think of him these days as a talented performance artist and his private life was bad. — Tom Storm

Of course you don't, and neither should you. My disdain of JK has not put my sister off him either.
She buys a calendar of his quotes every year! :roll: She even sends one to my mother and other sister :lol:

What I found was that the people involved were as wracked with anxiety, flaws and substance issues as any other group. So far from providing consolation or peace, most of the folk were ambitious, status obsessed and very poor advertisements for the contemplative life. Doesn't mean the beliefs are untrue, just that I see little point in them — Tom Storm

Still, such an experience would make you a wiser man, overall, I think.

Hey! Got my first follower on Quora! Entered a question and 16 answers yesterday. Thanks to you, brother Uni! — Hillary

Your welcome, although I don't know why you are thanking me for your own postings on Quora.
I would like a link to your question and your 16 answers however. I would like to read that.