Amor fati. :fire:The world of Homer ... is a tragic world but a world without guilt for its tragic flaw is not a flaw in human nature, still less a flaw in individual character, but a flaw in the nature of existence. — W.H. Auden
I had similar thoughts hanging up such a sticky long thing against flies (don't know what's it called in English, flypaper?). — Hillary
We are in the grand scheme of things insects in our own eyes. Bug spray? DDT? Fly swatters? Flypaper? — Agent Smith
Evil/good are inventions of human culture — universeness
Our Darwinian origin taught us that the jungle rules are not the most efficient way to increase human quality of life and longevity of life, so we created such concepts as good and evil and started to legislate to support what we identified as good behaviour and we legislated against what we identified as evil behaviour — universeness
Don't think so. There are some pretty evil animals. Like people. — Hillary
Based on what evidence?Since science was introduced, the amount of evil has increased only. — Hillary
Example? How about an evil dog? I can understand a human labeling particular dog behaviour as evil and I can tell when one dog is afraid of another but do you think the sacred dog thinks the other dog is evil or merely of a higher (alpha) status than it. — universeness
Since science was introduced, the amount of evil has increased only.
— Hillary
Based on what evidence? — universeness
So more evil today, compared to our days as jungle survivors? — universeness
It is human conceit to think only they can be evil. Our dog can be pretty mean! — Hillary
Oh come on brother Uni! Do you have your eyes closed? — Hillary
Based on what evidence?Much more evil! I think it would be far more relaxed back then than now — Hillary
Didnt Oppenheimer say he'd become death, the destroyer of worlds? — Hillary
That's the better example of human conceit, Oppenheimer's conceit that HE had become the destroyer of worlds :roll: Earth is quite capable of surviving human activity. It is much more threatened by the Sun's activity!It is human conceit to think only they — Hillary
I don't think humans relish the idea that evil belongs to them alone but I think you are projecting your concept of evil onto what you label 'mean' actions in your dog. There is no way to currently know if your dog is actually capable of understanding the difference between the HUMAN concept of good and evil. — universeness
Right back at you! — universeness
Yeah, very dramatic-sounding BS. What world did Oppenheimer destroy? — universeness
That's the better example of human conceit, Oppenheimer's conceit that HE had become the destroyer of worlds :roll: Earth is quite capable of surviving human activity. It is much more threatened by the Sun's activity! — universeness
Earth is quite capable of surviving human activity. It is much more threatened by the Sun's activity! — universeness
But he did become the destroyer of two cities — Hillary
No, he didn't — universeness
Not directly. You see, that's the scary thing with science. You dont know where it ends up — Hillary
That's true of all human activity. — universeness
There is not much in your response worth responding to — universeness
I gave you examples of the effects! — Hillary
All tech can be used for good purposes as well. — universeness
Saying that some evil is necessary for good to exist is a total conceptualization of evil and, as such, it looses sight of a lot of human aspects of it — Angelo Cannata
I think the solution needs to be dialectic, which means, a permanent action of work, movement, progress, self-criticism, among the different elements and imbalances. — Angelo Cannata
In other words, a conclusive answer to evil not only does not exist, but we need to be vigilant to avoid any temptation to find or to built it; a conclusive answer must not exist and we need to work actively to make impossible for it to exist. Conclusive answers to evil are worse than evil itself, because evil can change, but conclusive answers are aimed at not changing: they block progress.
So, from a philsophical point of view, facing the question “What to do with evil”, I think a good answer is working on philosophy to make it dynamic, permanently self-critical and in dialogue with experience and subjectivity, avoiding conclusive answers, conceptualizations that can make us disconnected, forgetful of personal human experience — Angelo Cannata
The poor natural people on Mururoa could live thousands of years without science. — Hillary
So, from a philsophical point of view, facing the question “What to do with evil”, I think a good answer is working on philosophy to make it dynamic, permanently self-critical and in dialogue with experience and subjectivity, avoiding conclusive answers, conceptualizations that can make us disconnected, forgetful of personal human experience. — Angelo Cannata
Am I the good that is left when the evil is removed or is the good what is left when I am removed? — unenlightened
Yes you have to resist your more base thoughts — universeness
Is that not a base thought? — unenlightened
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