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Two ways to philosophise.Truth is said in statements or known in subjects and is about what is. Correspondence is part of it. Alignment of subject to object. Coherence and validity is part of this. Being is part of this. Identity and unity will be issues.
This is me avoiding the question. Truly. — Fire Ologist
In this exchange, you're project building and I'm dissecting. You either become fascinated by the mechanics of dissection, or you resist it because you're in love with the project. :smile: -
Iran War?You seem to be under the impression that the people of Iran are insane fundamentalist muslims. I don't think that's right. I think they're only being ruled by insane fundamentalist muslims. — BitconnectCarlos
I guess there's supposed to be some kind of argument in there somewhere, but I was looking for facts. -
Iran War?Because his regime murders women for not wearing hijabs. — BitconnectCarlos
That doesn't mean the people of Iran hate their government. -
Iran War?It is the history of their own religion. — BitconnectCarlos
Partly. Like Judaism, Christianity is partly Persian and Greek. -
Iran War?I'm pretty sure the people of Iran hate Khameini and would celebrate if he died. — BitconnectCarlos
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Iran War?I don't know if we'll see a regime change, but I would love to see Iran liberated. — BitconnectCarlos
I think they're planning to kill Ali Khamenei. Nothing says let's be friends like killing their religious leader.
It's nice to have other people who value the history of ancient Israel. — BitconnectCarlos
They think it's the history of their own religion, and it partly is. -
Iran War?Israel’s defense minister, Israel Katz, said that he and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the Israeli military to increase “the intensity of the attacks on strategic targets in Iran and governmental targets in Tehran.” Stepping up Israel’s attacks, Katz said, was meant “to remove the threats to the state of Israel and to destabilize the ayatollahs’ regime.” — NY Times
So this is about regime change, or it's not, or it is.
Christians think the whole Bible belongs to them. They're as fascinated by climbing Mt Sinai at dawn as they are hanging around the Jordan River.Christians will always be fascinated with that land where Jesus walked. — BitconnectCarlos -
Two ways to philosophise.So you admit there is a world we are both talking about? — Fire Ologist
I assume so.
When you ask me “what is truth”, do you mean “what is knowledge” or “how do we know” or do you mean “what is real” or do you mean “what is”? — Fire Ologist
You said:
I’m not afraid of the big bad authoritarian tyrant, as long as he is telling the truth. — Fire Ologist
Is truth a property of statements? Or is it a property of the world? Or what? -
Two ways to philosophise.Truth is about the world, not merely the speaking stating it. — Fire Ologist
What specifically about the world? -
Two ways to philosophise.
Maybe philosophical project building comes from an innate need to make the world predictable, explainable, controllable. Out of project building comes technological feats, like the solar calendar, which end up surviving thousands of years of philosophical flux.
People like Descartes and Kant could be looked at the same way. They left us with ideas to play with, to explore. So the poster who shows up with a project is giving us something to test. -
Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)Some people could have a 3000 year hate and they'd still be snarling like a wounded dog.
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Iran War?The problem isn't that another nation is stronger than Israel. The problem is that the nation expresses genocidal intentions towards Israel and was on the verge of going nuclea — BitconnectCarlos
I doubt that's the cause of the present war. It's that Iran funded Hamas. This is a continuation of the invasion of Gaza, back to it's source. At least they told the residents of Tehran to evacuate. That was the right thing to do.
With Gaza, they failed to make a humanitarian corridor in a timely fashion. That was a terrible crime. -
Iran War?Israel’s military claimed on Tuesday that it had killed Maj. Gen. Ali Shadmani, describing him as Iran’s most senior military commander, as the most intense military conflict between the two countries entered its fifth day.
Iran did not immediately comment on Israel’s claim. Maj. Gen Shadmani. He was only appointed to the role on Friday, when Israel killed his predecessor in widespread attacks against Iran’s military on the first day of the war.
Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a statement on Friday saying that he had named General Shadmani to command the Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters, the most important economic arm of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. — New York Times -
Two ways to philosophise.Knowledge is only possible through abstraction. — ChatteringMonkey
:up: It's abstractions all the way down. -
Iran War?I don't make rules. — BitconnectCarlos
All you need is a sense of right and wrong. Everybody on the planet knows that what Israel did to Gaza was a crime against humanity. There are just a few people who don't want to face that fact. -
Iran War?Once those civilian areas are militarized, they lose that privilege and become legitimate targets. — BitconnectCarlos
Bullshit. -
Iran War?Israel’s foreign minister, Gideon Saar, told CNN on Sunday that “The goal is not a regime change. The cabinet had decided on the objectives, it was not one of the objectives. This is for the Iranian people to decide.” — NY Times
Well, there you go. -
Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)Watch, now they’ll want the US to join the Isreali campaign to avoid the cognitive dissonance involved in their narrative. — NOS4A2
The pundits are saying Israel doesn't have the ability to disarm Iran by itself. They want the US to join in to finish the job. Trump appears to be bored by the notion. -
Iran War?In a widening of its military campaign against Iran, Israel targeted Iran’s critical energy infrastructure at gas and petrochemical refineries on Saturday, according to a statement from Iran’s oil ministry.
The statement said Israeli drones had targeted a section of the South Pars Gas Field in Bushehr Province. South Pars is one of the world’s largest gas fields and a critical part of Iran’s energy production. The Fajr Jam Gas Refining Company was also targeted, the ministry said — NY Times -
Iran War?I don’t have anything I can point to just now. But at the time there was a lot of discussion about it and subsequently lots of discussion about what they were up to in Iran, long before the Ukraine and Gaza wars. — Punshhh
Iran did ballistic missile testing the year after the JCPOA agreement. This is an article from NPR (read it while there's still an NPR) :smile:
The missiles they launched in 2017 were capable of delivering nuclear weapons. Israeli intelligence found documentation of secret plans for nuclear weapons in 2003, this was later confirmed by the IAEA. In short, we know Iran is committed to the destruction of Israel., we know they have secret underground development facilities, we know they violated the JCPOA regarding missile development prior to the withdrawal by Trump. I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to say the present situation is the fault of Donald Trump. It's the fault of Iranians who will absolutely not be peaceful neighbors in the Middle East, along with Netanyahu. -
Iran War?
. hereThe International Atomic Energy Agency declared on Thursday that Iran was not complying with its nuclear nonproliferation obligations, the first time the U.N. watchdog has passed a resolution against the country in 20 years — New York Times
This wasn't caused by Trump. The fact that Iran has been spending billions of dollars to be the Mid East's biggest pain in the ass is not Trump's fault. -
Iran War?It's funny to think just 10 years ago we got a nuclear deal with Iran which Trump foolishly ripped up in his first term, and Biden foolishly didn't get back into during his term. — Mr Bee
Thinking of the US as foolishly causing the world's problems is a coping mechanism. Without it, you'd have to face the fact that it's all just meaningless violence. -
Iran War?These kinds of things have a way of spiraling out of control. 20% of the world's oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz. Suppose Iran chooses to shut that down to inflict economic pain on Israel and her backers. Well, now the U.S. president is looking at a catastrophic rise in oil prices, which will lead to more inflation and higher interest rates, which is usually the death knell for an administration. The president is under tremendous pressure to reopen the Strait, so he attacks Iran's navy, but unlike 1988, Iran doesn't back down. So now what? — RogueAI
Yes. Although smashing someone's nuclear capability and military leadership is the kind of thing you would do before you completely level the capital, plow over the rubble, and sow salt. We'll see.
The US has its own oil reserves now, thanks to fracking. We produce 60% of our oil usage. We could increase that. I think the door is closing on any way out of an inflationary recession though. I don't think the US will act unless somebody blows up an American ship. -
Iran War?I think this incident might be the watershed where we all get used to shit going down and the US is not involved at all, except to protect its interests. The US isn't going to faceplant in the Mid-East trying to fight the tide of chaos. The US isn't going to go another trillion dollars into debt. We can all just breakout the popcorn and watch like everybody else in the world. We're just like everybody else. This is nice.
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Iran War?
Ha! I looked over and saw the Asian markets plummeting, crude oil shooting up. Somebody said "war."
frank
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