Yes, but that intuition has been shaped by countless encounters with them. Already in the womb your brain is stimulated by concentrically converging circle shapes.

Matt Dillahunty, a nemesis of theism. — universeness

I consider him not the nemisis. I consider him on the same level as any other TV preacher. Nothing interesting to offer.

How horrible to live like amoral gods who are according to you bored with their own existence!
Amoral because they take no responsibility for their own creations, something you accuse Science of. — universeness

That's what's all life for. To cheer them up and fill their existential void. How can I accuse Science if it's inhuman?

All activities/objects that need knowledge. You cant dance if you don't learn how to move rhythmically!
Cats, dogs, monkeys, elephants, and ants don't dance as well as humans can in my opinion. — universeness

You need knowledge of the pre big bang era to dance? All animals have knowledge? Have you seen the mating dance of the paradise birds? Stephen Fry's comments are very funniy.

They can also enhance humanity or would you rather swim and walk to visit another country? — universeness

Knowledge is just a necessary prior to life. It's not whats it about.

MIRI arsenic-doped Silicon (Si:As) Detector.

Arsenic?! Was that the best material for the job? — Agent Smith

:lol:

Arsenic is dope for life!

Matt Dillahunty! The atheist preacher! Helliluyeah!!!

What is your purpose for humans if it's not to pursue new knowledge and seek to confirm the knowledge we have? god worship? Nature worship? — universeness

The purpose is to life like the human gods. Finding out about the material they created to harbor life is nice (as you know from many conversations we already had here), but it's just knowledge. Creating knowledge is an art. With math, models, and experiments we create new patterns.

What about art, dance, music, clothes, etc. That's what makes us human and different from animals. It's nice to invent planes, cars, computers, etc. but at the same time it's a step away from humanity. We have not evolved to fly or to space travel. We have, like all animals, evolved to mimic heaven. Look at the blue lizzard!

Matt Dillawhoty?

You anthropomorphise Science! I choose not to. Put the blame where it fits! with humans, not gods! — universeness

The point is, science (I don't see why you write it with a capital S, it's only knowledge) can't be seen apart from people. It's not an objective, monolithic entity existing somewhere apart from us.

And they say theism is the cause of war. As I read you two atheists fighting with words, no gods are needed! And the gods laugh at you from heaven! Luckily there is a large space between you. The Greek Log vs. The Scottish Tap. Fifteenth round!

The antichrist is born of such a union! — universeness

Consider me the second coming. You and Nickolast could form the anti. Together we form the Final Trinity, the announcers of chaos, death, and destruction...

The theistic argument is irrational by default....so I need an irrational analogy to expose the absurdity. — Nickolasgaspar

Your Cosmos God assumption is very rational, to be honest! But it's still about the universe. Your alter ego in heaven has a good time! He laughs his pants off, looking at you. Well, coming to think about it, he cries buckets full! :lol:

I can believe that you hold that opinion...it shows in your reasoning — Nickolasgaspar

Do I use reason and logic?

And who brandished such tech for such a purpose? god(s)? theists? atheists? or just HUMANS? — universeness

Who cares? It is science that produced them. Without science no such weaponry. How logical can it be. Even my primitive logic can understand that.

Again you don't understand what logic is....lol — Nickolasgaspar

Logic is a totally boring subject. It's math that's interesting. The world is a place without inherent logic. That exists in the mind only, and some people even build a philosophy on it. I can easily understand logic. What's so difficult about that. If it's your strong side, I can imagine you worship it. But I don't and have not the slightest intention using it. So it's only logically you wont hear logically sound arguments from my side. I base life and philosophy on something deeper than such surface phenomenon.

The whole war was caused by political and economical interests and ideas... — Nickolasgaspar

Economical or political interests cant cause war. It are people causing war. And science gives them the technological means.

Does this make science responsible for the act moron who chose to cut his wife's throat instead of the bread.???? — Nickolasgaspar

Logically speaking, yes. If there was no sharp edged knife, I couldn't kill him with it. So in a sense I should be thankful towards science! :lol:

That whole fucking war was made possible by science in the first place. Zycklon B, radar, planes, bombs, tanks, rockets,etc.

Just look at them!

You can use a knife to gather food or to kill your Dutch neighbor....lol — Nickolasgaspar

Jesus, you are a clearvoyant! Im sitting in the front garden of the street. And the SOB is fucking with his camper! And there lies a knife on the table! :lol:

Are you still making this silly argument? What men decide to do with our knowledge depends on Pseudo Philosophical establishments...not science.
Get over it mr Hillary. — Nickolasgaspar

Argument? You accuse me of an argument, a silly one even? I make progress!

There are "pure" or ideal triangles in nature (as sensible matter)?? — waarala

Yes. And cubes, hexagons, parabola, even hyperbolical space. Spheres, sine waves, fields, groups, you name it. Mandelbrot considered his set a discovery.

Humans will kill using the best tech available as they usually want to kill their enemies but survive themselves regardless of the preferred label an individual chooses between theist and atheist. — universeness

Yes. But the technological means are provided by scientific investigation.

Human politicians and human military brass decided to do such tests. Perhaps many of them were theists. Perhaps some scientists completely sanctioned and even took part. ALL HUMANS! — universeness

It were scientists who invented them. Los Alamos was the biggest science experiment ever. Oppi later whined about him becoming death, but as always, after the fact. Edward Teller was the mad father and adviced intense testing!

Funny! Brother Uni called me a panto player. So him being a tap dancer combines us in a powerful duo package! Panto Tap!

So one can still get a faint heartbeat in the general area of your brain....that is hopeful! lol ; ) — Nickolasgaspar

Yes, dear Nickolast, it's still possible! A double heartbeat, actually. One for the scientific ratio and logic and one for the other. :lol:

Don't the emoticons or quote possibilities show up from wherever you type? You can make the lol (meaning "fun" in Dutch, no kidding!) laugh! And you can directly quote.

Anyone would prefer that over the death of civilians. Don't try to sugarcoat a war crime. — Nickolasgaspar

And again, I actually agree. Goddamnit! I actually lost all reason indeed!

. Mathematical judgements are always synthetical [a priori]. Hitherto this fact, though incontestably true and very important in its consequences, seems to have escaped the analysts of the human mind, nay, to be in complete opposition to all their conjectures. ... — waarala

This is not true. Mathematical structures rest in nature, for us to be discovered.

The science of natural philosophy (physics) contains in itself synthetical judgements a priori, as principles. — waarala

True, but after the principles are found. The principles lay buried in nature. No a priori in our minds. The only a priori is the scientific attitude.

Some animals have been sacrificed in the name of science, yes But probably no fewer than those sacrificed to gods. — universeness

No fewer indeed. Many more.

The technique is called an Ad Absurdum argument and it is used to expose the absurdity of a claim....but how would you know...right!? — Nickolasgaspar

You are just a theist role playing. You love it if arguments against atheism are set up!

Would you have preferred the death of many more American soldiers and goodness knows how many Japanese civilians during a full invasion of the Japanese mainlands. The evidence from the time suggests that the Japanese would not have surrendered easily.
Look how stubborn they were on places like Iwo Jima. Look at the Kamikaze attitude etc? — universeness

Weel, I actually had the nuclear tests in mind and their effects. And the development of even bigger thermonuclear devices with 3000 times the destructive power of the two thrown.

Considering test animals:

"Each year inside British laboratories, around 4 million animals are experimented on. Every 8 seconds, one animal dies. Cats, dogs, rats, mice, guinea pigs, rabbits, monkeys and other animals are used to test new products, to study human disease and in the development of new drugs."

"Only a small proportion of countries collect and publish data concerning their use of animals for testing and research, but it is estimated that more than 115 million animals—including mice, rats, birds, fish, rabbits, guinea pigs, farm animals, dogs, cats, and non-human primates—are used and/or killed in laboratory ..."

And what about all extinct species or the animals killed in the atomic bomb tests...

People kill people, HUMANS ARE RESPONSIBLE! not god(s) or science. — universeness

But with what do they kill...?

So what went wrong???? — Nickolasgaspar

I got involved discussing with you! :lol:

You have a fun way of writing! You speak alike?

It's full of stars? Is that what Webb has shown? Great discovery!

Was that you by any chance??? — Nickolasgaspar

No way. I'm a good looking Italian...

Where are you from Mr Hillary?What is your level of education? Were you raised in a religious house? — Nickolasgaspar

Closer than you think. Ischia-Amsterdam. Physics master. Raised in a modern areligeous house. :love:

ah, so the difference between empirical and a priori in physics is echoed by the difference between the theorists and the experimentalists (which is always a pretty major division in physics.) — Wayfarer

Yes. The sounds of experiment and theory are produced close to the focal points of an ellipse. Theoretical sounds spread out to get focused at the practical locus from where it spreads out again, modulated, to reflect back into the theoretical focus, and the experimental sounds reach out for the theoretical campus from where it leaves again to adjust experiment. Once in a while, an almost perfect agreement is reached, when the ellipse has turned circular, and an extatic bright central state of coherence and unity is reached. The magic moments in science.

If we are 4 dimensional and contain the entire snake of frames from conception to death, what keeps that snake from spanning the entirety of time? — TiredThinker

We are basically collections of particles that inflated away from the virtuality long time ago, on a tubular singularity, far, far away.

We are the part of the universe perceiving itself.
— Benj96
We are that part of the universe perceiving ourselves as part of the universe. — 180 Proof

We are parts of the universe hallucinating that we are parts of the universe perceiving the universe and ourselves, which is pretty much the same for all forms of life. Is life the universe becoming self aware? No. The universe is no Hydra-headed beast or a worm you can never delete.

Better to be a little troll than a giant Panner!

Whatever whatever means, it's clear that your use here serves one goal only!

:rofl:

No pot of gold at the end of the rainbow!? — Agent Smith

The Enlightenment light originally was a warm, comforting, and promising light. The yoke of God could be buried and the future was indeed the pot of gold awaiting at the end of the colorful rainbow, shining in it's light.

We know how it turned out though...

If you know what you're looking for, inquiry is unnecessary.

If you don't know what you're looking for, inquiry is impossible. — Agent Smith

:chin:

What is nirvana? Is it a very private experience? Wittgenstein did make an interesting point. Was he into mysticism (re religious experiences)? — Agent Smith

The Nirvana, in my humble (but not necessarily dumb,) opinion, is that Nirvana is the timeless eternal, infinite, higher dimensional structure of the quantum vacuum on which the universe and all life in it can play the games they do. The contemplation of this world beckons, like a liberation. Don't take it too seriously though... Eat it and laugh at it!