I havent looked at it quite like that but the idea might have some merit to it :nerd:

I know what you mean but I dont really care much for beratement in general, its a negative almost always, in general I experience such as shortcomings or even weakness on the part of the one that berates as there are far better ways to address wrong projections or any misunderstanding of logic.

I'm aware of the fact that it is so, it was like that for me from a young age really, therefor I'm also never too much impressed by anybody's intellectual prowess and neither am I impressed for anything I can come up with myself. However concerning TPF I'm just being realistic about how much weight I can put to the scale should it come down to it and thats fine really as I am not entirely limited, it could have been worse :smile:

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Tu quoque Agent Smith.

Thats beautiful, thanks.

Thanks.

I'll generally get the gist of things discussed in such threads and as you also suggest I usually Google such special jargon. Thanks for the suggestions, I appreciate it.

I have no formal education but for primary school, after that I picked things up along where I went which I started to do more frequently with the mainstream availability of the internet.

I think we could all stand to be a little less cantankerous with each other ... or maybe not? Nevertheless, my favorite threads, and the most productive ones - imo - are the ones in which people find common ground, eventually, through argumentation. — ToothyMaw

Those are generally my favorites as well but those particular threads displaying a lot of (friendly) opposition, in which the different participants provide plausible counter-arguments while giving eachother enough oppertunity to do so, tend to be the most intriguing (mostly up until a point anyway).

BTW, if you ever change your mind and want to do an OP and you don't know if it's good enough/direct enough/concise enough, free of fallacies, etc., I think someone might be willing to give it a read before you post it.

Of course, plagiarism isn't allowed, but I think a quick read over would be fine. — ToothyMaw

Thanks for the suggestion, I have a few different OP's in mind actually so I'll surely consider doing so.

Thanks, appreciate that but understanding and participating are two seperate things and I'm just not advanced enough, most here would lap me twice and have me for breakfast whenever they feel like it :sweat: If it were my native tongue I could have gone a long way but concerning TPF I'm pretty much content reading along with an occasional reply entering those discussions which I'm actually able to participate in without getting eaten alive :nerd:

A bit infantile to engage in a hobbies thread.

so I like to read (over here for instance), doing some sport, viewing other sports, drawing and painting, baking bread and pizza (sourdough leavened) but not limited to, make some music but mostly listening to, photography (mostly birds), strolling through nature, programming (much less than I used to however) and about many other things, from movies to coming up with whatever solution needed to tackle any sort of problem, concocting various possible contraptions if needed and along the way, with which to make life easier or more pleasureable.

Since monetary wealth provides more safety and better control of one's circumstances perhaps owning more possessions roughly equals the hoarding of such means (for as far as our brain chemistry concerns).

An analysis comparing reported income to reported well-being revealed a strong, positive relationship between the measures. People who earned more money reported greater day-to-day well-being and better overall life satisfaction. — psypost.org

Source article

Arithmetic would by far not be enough to verify consciousness. Such simple methods could easily result in the opposite of what is intended.

best rap ever :lol:

Insignificant in the vastness of space.

Yet then comes then question when people look for a mate to start a family that our in our society money is important. — ssu

Most romantic relationships stand and fall by the ability of the male to provide for economical stability, love has much less to do with any long term success. From an anthropologist's perspective it is a logical conclusion in the context of reproduction and safety of progeny.

The guise of romantic love merely tries to cover up for our animal origin but in the end it is all about reproduction and the consideration of any material means nevertheless just as the same holds true for any other social mammal.

Frequently, it isn't the owning but the acquiring that creates satisfaction. — Pantagruel

Yes this.

However in and by itself there's an experience curve to it as I step into that pitfall less and less, most of the time stopping myself before begun as I've become very much aware of the phenomenon.

I have absolutely no desire for meat — ThinkOfOne

This holds true for me as well and however I could deny the fact that roasted pork smells good to me I wont but which also doesnt mean I have to satisfy whatever association of taste I'm experiencing with whatever smell at such moment. I unvoluntarily undergo it as the stark reminder of the conditioning, of what it left behind, and though I rather not be reminded or stirred it holds value in that way.

For the most part, those who eat meat have been conditioned by their parents and themselves to desire meat . They are capable of reconditioning themselves. Instead they mindlessly buy the excuses and rationalizations that percolate up from the ego. — ThinkOfOne

This is true, atleast for me it was, as I was 'exposed' to lots of meat for as long as I can remember.

I have to elaborate on that
I grew up in a district that was comprised of a cattle market, multiple slaughterhouses, lots of little stores, ragtag houses and multiple graveyards (general + catholic). My entire family worked at those slaughterhouses, without exception. Needless to say I grew up with meat, lots of it, from breakfast to dinner, just like the rest of the family. Yet I started to experience remorse about it and up until this very day am the only familymember at that. I must have consumed an incredible amount of meat during those years nevertheless, indeed conditioned to do so.

The truth of the matter is, I will always love the taste and the texture but I also love life and to love life is to love everything living, is to respect all living beings no matter size or appearance.

When one starts to experience oneself being (universally) cannibalistic of sorts (for lack of a more accurate description) rationality stops and emotional responses take over.

Redundant quizzing does little in the face of resolution.

And why ought we follow that particular feeling? — Isaac

You would know why if such a feeling was present.

if you don't have to cause other animals pain unnecessarily, why do so? — schopenhauer1


Why not do so? — Isaac

Perhaps do not do such because one can relate to having pain and dont want to inflict such harm upon another living being?

Our task could be understanding but not empathy. I don’t see it as simplistic. — javi2541997

Understanding suffering yet inflicting discomfort and suffering still for whatever reason towards our comfort zone. To understand it on an emotional level is something very different.

We literally need it because it has proteins and other compositions which help us to keep a healthy lifestyle. — javi2541997

That is still up for debate however many a studies so far seem to indicate otherwise.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-46590-1

It is difficult because it is impossible to put us in somebody else's place. — javi2541997

There isnt anything difficult about it, it is actually quite simple, either it is there or it is not.

humane (= showing kindness, care, and sympathy) — Cambridge Dictionary

If there is to be any point in time of mass awareness concerning raising animals merely to consume their dead bodies the awareness has to truly resonate from within each individual and it has to start with empathy rather than rationality for it to stick and take root.