That doesn't imply colonialism, at most imperialism. — Lionino
There are millions of pure Amerindians in Mexico, Peru, Bolivia, etc. — Lionino
A lot of people would certainly be out of a job and perhaps worse still, bereft of purpose. — Benj96
If you are talking about colonialism, everybody did that or tried to before the 20th century century, that France or Portugal were so good at it is a point of virtue, not of vice. Yankees didn't, they were colonised instead until the 18th century, so I couldn't possibly be talking about colonialism. — Lionino
Were we talking about the plunder, disarrangement and corruption of sub-Saharan Africa? I thought this was about the series of Middle East crises that resulted in the 9/11 attack, and all that insane, costly, ineffective warfare resulting from the US response to that.Without Europe's colonisation of sub-Saharan Africa, do you think the countries there would have developed to be able to exploit the Molybdenum mines that are important for refinement of petroleum? — Lionino
My reference to plunder was in the context of Mesopotamia in the two world wars. As to the 'peacetime' plunder of Africa, that's been ongoing since c.1650 and will continue yet a while, now China's in the game.It is always interesting how people say Europe "plundered" — Lionino
The extinct hardly ever complain.If anything, it is some American countries that should complain to Spain that their gold was plundered, but yet we don't see them doing so. — Lionino
I meant 'it's a totalitarian mindset'. — 180 Proof
As for benevolence ... to improve everyone's welfare.
This sounds totalitarian. — 180 Proof
Keeping it to themselves could be seen as permitting ignorance, propaganda and delusion to wreak havoc on the world when one clearly knows better. — Benj96
Would you even believe them? — Benj96
If they preformed the demo in my house, I guess I'd be obliged to talk to them and also feed them. If they did it on CNN, I wouldn't get a chance to talk to them.Would you want to speak to them? — Benj96
I find it very difficult to dislike any benevolent person, even if they have halitosis, poor communication skills and unpleasant personal habits.Would you like them or despise them? — Benj96
Hardly at all. Humanity as whole is suspicious of knowledge (though individually we pretend to admire it) and contemptuous of kindness (though individually, we welcome it directed to ourselves, are jealous of it directed to anyone else and resentful if any material expression of it is expected of us.)And how do you think humanity would react as a whole? — Benj96
Western thinking - of course it exists - has so clogged up people's brains that it takes an immense epistemological effort to rise from the frog's perspective and build up the maximum distance in order to understand these things. — Wolfgang
The West thinks that its interpretation of values is the only correct one and tries to impose them on everyone else. — Wolfgang
The Body responds to certain natural drives which are tied to procreation. The soul, a thing, we think of as -unique to humans*-has displaced Body's procreation with its multifarious made-up forms. Some individual souls believe their made-up forms to be Natural to the Body, and accordingly "right." But they are the workings of the soul, supernatural, made-up. Their form has no better claim to natural than those of other souls. — ENOAH
They don't. They're not. So what?Or how does the fact that they can trace the root of our laws etc. suggest they are not artificial, or that being artificial, they are simultaneously natural? — ENOAH
Natural and truth simply don't enter into it. It's true that humans are social animals, that all social animals have social rules and norms; it's natural that they should, else their social structure would break down. The values human societies elaborate are in response to their experiences, beliefs and requirements over time. That's where the anthropologists come in. But I guess you think how things evolved is irrelevant. I disagree; I think what's irrelevant is classifying human ideas as Fact/Fiction; Natural/Artificial; True/False.Then so I understand, these social values, they're natural? — ENOAH
Neither. Why we shouldn't tell others what preferences they have - whether social or sexual - because, as long as they're not hurting anybody or disturbing the peace, their preferences are none of our damned business, and oppression, especially in the realm of personal conduct, is detrimental to social coherence.We shouldn't tell others what social preferences they should have...because all sexuality is natural (as opposed to my, we shouldn't tell others what social preferences they should have...because all sexuality is artificial--for post prehistoric humans) — ENOAH
I don't believe that we were built by aliens and dropped on this planet. I cited the meaning of the word artificial: "made by human beings". I use it according to its dictionary definition. Made on purpose, out of raw materials that are found, dug up or growing wild.I don't see how you can maintain this distinction between natural and artificial, if you insist that human beings are natural. — Metaphysician Undercover
Yes, I mentioned the construction of ideas: conceptual artifacts. The creative process comes naturally to species with volition and reason; the product of artifice practiced by artisans is an artificial artifact.But if that type of "making" is supposed to be natural, then what about making knowledge through teaching, and making ethics, norms, and social conventions? — Metaphysician Undercover
It's easy. Living organisms are generally natural - that is, growing out of other organisms, rather than constructed by design (although some lines are becoming blurred with genetic technologies), while machines and implements and structures are man-made. Once we have a truly bionic man, another line will be blurred.I don't see how you can maintain this distinction between natural and artificial, if you insist that human beings are natural. — Metaphysician Undercover
Modern ones still do. Nothing fictional about that.Some birds dance as mating ritual; some mammals fight. Maybe prehistoric humans danced and fought. Natural. — ENOAH
The wax, plaster, wooden, ceramic or plastic one would have no nutrient value and probably taste bad, even if it didn't break your teeth. Which artificial fruits are synthesized in such a way that they taste and nourish like the real ones?What's your point here? Why would it be necessary to distinguish between a natural fruit and a synthetic one? — Metaphysician Undercover
Why? Found in the wild/ made by design. Simple; gods need not enter in.I think that to maintain the distinction between natural and artificial, we need a third category, supernatural, to provide for the separation between them. — Metaphysician Undercover
I am not saying there should be laws imposed or not imposed. Rather the opposite. — ENOAH
Since sexuality is, in my submission, artificial, no one practice is "true." — ENOAH
I wish you could!I don't see the contradiction you do. — ENOAH
So I assume that you are saying that "artificial" is just a special type of "natural". — Metaphysician Undercover
In fact, it's more the opposite. I'm thinking that the "laws", any and all of them--which, to my mind, have evolved to displace the "natural" practices--are artificial, might therefore be recognized as artificial, and that none of them, therefore, should be imposed; and, especially not imposed under the guise that they are so imposed because they are true or natural. — ENOAH
How could you have meant the opposite? In what way do you make something unacceptable, except by writing it in law?to say sexuality which harms or oppresses is unacceptable — ENOAH
Especially in energy technologies, profligate reproduction and overconsumption.But for human mind, and experience, we've gone too far, and are literally at a point of no return (to our real natures). — ENOAH
All human society as we know it is artificial. And yet it's natural that an intelligent, imaginative species should elaborate on its social organization, and it's natural for such a species to evolve complex regulatory systems as its numbers grow.I don't get it. It seems like you're providing more "evidence" that what we've constructed is not natural. — ENOAH
Among lions, probably. Among humans, wealth and power are also artificial. Do you really feel any society today is dominated by those most fit to lead?I.e., those male humans who engaged in the systemic oppression of women were naturally selected as the fittest. — ENOAH
I'm not. Are you?So, why does this need saying?
Because we are attacking one another by weaponizing Truth, and no position is true. — ENOAH
"just one of our stories"??? Their myths and legends and self-generated self-images are what groups of people go to war over, burn down one another's towns, kill and torture for.The only functional judgment one can make--and as far as I'm concerned, in human existence, functional is as close as one can get to truth--is to say sexuality which harms or oppresses is unacceptable, all else is just one of our stories. — ENOAH
Pastrami on rye awaited me. Imagine how difficult that was. — Hanover
And those natural drives are the source, in Reality or Nature for the Fiction which we construct. — ENOAH
They just had to be healthy and willing. Later on, the males decided they didn't need to wait until a female was willing. In fact, taking females against their will was also a way of humiliating their male rivals. Eventually, societies came up with safeguards against internal strife, including rules the prescribe acceptable forms of mating. Patriarchal societies included rules that strictly enforced the rights of males (and inferiority of females) in order to assure fathers of the genetic purity of their offspring - usually for the purpose of land inheritance.I would speculate that the human's version might have been fore the male to present some physical potential, and for the female to present a certain pelvic feature. — ENOAH
I don't think so: people are still making lots of lots of little people. They seem quite capable of navigating the rituals of their various cultures.I say the stories displaced procreation with Fiction, and that Therein lies the craving etc. — ENOAH
But why does that need saying?That's all I'm saying. — ENOAH
But, for Humans, sexuality: dating, and romance, birth control, fertility intervention, marriage and matrimonial laws, both ecclesiastical and civil; rituals, restrictions, mutilations, fetishes, and positions, references, proclivities, size, fashion, and technique, are all human constructions, — ENOAH
Both occur naturally in many other species that do not construct social roles.some so deeply foundational to human Mind and History that they seem natural. And that’s hetero-sexuality.
Gay sexuality is similarly constructed. — ENOAH
I’m saying reproductive mating and same sex mutual releases of whatever sort may or may not be natural; but all human sexuality, across the board, is Fictional. — ENOAH
As there is a forecast of about 10 billion people flying this year, probably about 5 billion will be non leisure. — Sir2u
This is probably true, but it does not explain the cause. there are various reports that suggest the entire effect can be attributed to disruptions in sleep patterns rather than changes in ambient light exposure or person's internal clock. — Sir2u
The idea of authority does play a critical factor and authoritarianism. — Jack Cummins
The whole nature of political philosophy involves looking behind the assumptions of political structures and ideological assumptions. This questioning in itself may be the beginning of rebellion. — Jack Cummins
I think that there are a lot of people flying because of business, and I would suppose that they are under some sort of pressure with little time to recover. — Sir2u
Well after reading that I would also suggest that all of the places that work on rotating shifts should also be stopped. — Sir2u
What have you learned about yourself or your life from a dream? — Tom Storm
Is there any data on how many people die from strokes and heart attacks caused by unnatural time changes to a person's internal clock? — Sir2u
So should everyone else.Maybe Americans should stop flying all over the world — Sir2u
I don't think decisions about what articles to publish have anything to do with day-to-day practical sense and navigation. — AmadeusD
"common sense" has nothing to do with publishing articles. — AmadeusD