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  • Magical powers
    Please remember @Jamal that jealousy and envy are a capitalists dream.

    As for wishful thinking magical thinking it’s part of being a child, an adult child. Santa of course ain’t real but the guy Xenu from Scientology is, he knows if you good or bad.

    And if you bad that’s no good become a member now pay the cult leader and you get to go heaven (or the other planet)when the really BAD aliens arrive ! I’m talking about the ones with probes!!!
  • Magical powers
    Weber talks about the fragmentation of values following society’s secularization, resulting in a “polytheism”, an array of smaller enchantments. The idea is that we now have numerous gods and demons, but they look different, and some of them are secular. The conspiracy theorist doesn’t arrive at the idea that the moon landings didn’t happen via a process of rational enquiry, but because they are looking for meaning; and once they have found it, it is incontestable—they will not be dissuaded (at least for a while).Jamal

    For me it’s evident that it all boils down to happiness and being content with our lot.

    It’s funny I googled some meditation ideas and was channeled towards a paywall for certain articles on meditation.

    Spirituality our new saviour is now up for sale for £15.99 a month or a one off payment of £666

    You see whereas in the past traditional Christian teachings were freely to everyone seeking answer’s capitalism has created the cunning entrepreneur who will exploit the human condition at any cost.

    Feeling miserable? Here’s my book…buy it and it will go away…screw the book says the cosmetic surgeon what you need is a brand new smile …and whilst we’re at it how about a face lift and you will get 20% off on a boob job.
  • Our relation to Eternity


    Well I choose the bitchery of course, assuming of course that there are bitches.

    Whoo hoo! Eternal life!!
  • Ukraine Crisis


    Tell me more, who prevailed from your list of protagonists/antagonists ? How did it unfold ?
  • Our relation to Eternity
    I just don't think it makes sense to say "I hope I never die."180 Proof


    Why? Do you think it’s childish ?

    Grow up!
  • Solipsism++ and Universal Mind
    The idea of matter being a theoretical construct is independent of solipsism. We do not directly experience matter, let's say, a tree. Why? Because we can only experience the physical sensations of touch, taste, sound, light, and odor. We have no special tree-sensing sense. From our physical sensations, the idea of a tree arises in our mind. The idea is a theoretical construct, i.e., something that unites and makes sense of what we are directly experiencing, in the case of the tree, brown and green, a feeling of roughness, perhaps, the scent, too. A "brain in a vat" could experience exactly what we experience yet no corresponding tree would exist.Art48

    Let’s ignore the brain in VAT for a moment as the can of worms you’ve opened with solipsism is enough to deal with for now.

    One thing at a time dear,

    So back to the theoretical construct…you are walking along one sunny day contemplating the fact that trees are not real as your tree sensing sense is missing that day till suddenly you run into a tree and hit your head slightly … at this point does it actually matter if the tree is a theoretical construct or a physical construct? How would you answer this very pertinent question of solipsism ?
  • Our relation to Eternity


    in that case you do not dismiss the “possibility” of non-physical eternal life.

    If you do dismiss it then on what grounds, sir?
  • Our relation to Eternity


    The difference is that I state it in its affirmative…I wanna live forever.

    It’s just if you’re gonna dream, dream big right …?

    And yet hope has no place in philosophy.

    And yet I embrace eternal (sleep) and eternal life as two possibilities.

    Likely or unlikely for each one is a matter of metaphysical realisation not rationalisation.
  • Our relation to Eternity
    A metaphysical concept of "eternal life" in terms of a physical "likelihood"? Category error.180 Proof

    Never claimed that. Even reincarnation gets tedious after a while.

    Your drop in the ocean however is apt and along my lines of metaphysic.
  • Solipsism++ and Universal Mind
    Matter, therefore, is an idea we use to make sense of experience, not something we directly experience. It’s a theoretical construct. Said simply, if all is a dream in the mind of Universal Mind, then the “stuff” of the universe is Universal Mind’s “mind stuff”, not matter.Art48

    Just a slight problem with this, if someone was to approach you in the street and slap you in the face, have they simply slapped a theoretical construct (your flesh, matter) or merely the mind? (The universal mind, your mind …whatever)

    If this is how solipsists think I might wake early one morning and start slapping every solipsist I encounter…just for shits and giggles.

    And then hear them say it’s just the mind slapping itself, silly.
  • The “Supernatural”
    Agree with the notion that any act seen as a violation of natural law, does not constitute that it is supernatural but merely that our current scientific frameworks lack the explanatory power.
  • Judging moral ‘means’ separately from moral ‘ends’
    Does anyone have arguments that judging moral means and moral ends separately would necessarily be incoherent?Mark S


    The moral mean to prevent a murder would be to murder the would be murderer*

    In the context above judging them separately would be incoherent as murder is universally wrong/immoral but taken together the moral ends and means are both justified.

    I hope that makes sense Mark.

    *If there was no other way to stop the would be murderer, such as talking them down, tasering them etc.
  • Magical powers
    It’s possible to envision a world where corporationism replaces if not mitigates the role of government to that of mere legislative enforcers to the most basic of human rights. I can see that happening already in corporate America…for what is lobbying but the influence of the rich and powerful to preserve their place.

    The consumerist nature of our current society driven by inherent competition between individuals and corporations thus forces the individual consciously or unconsciously to accumulate more money so that they can compete with the joneses and not just fulfil their basic and unmet needs.

    This sometimes vulgar display of material wealth not only enslaves the employee but also the employer.

    But hasn’t that always been the American Dream?


    And now here’s green day for some light hearted entertainment. @Jamal

  • Ukraine Crisis

    Europe is witnessing its bloodiest cross-border war since 1945, but Asia risks something even worse: conflict between America and China over Taiwan. Tensions are high, as American forces pivot to a new doctrine known as “distributed lethality” designed to blunt Chinese missile attacks. Last week dozens of Chinese jets breached Taiwan’s “air defence identification zone”. This week China’s foreign minister condemned what he called America’s strategy of “all-round containment and suppression, a zero-sum game of life and death”.

    As America rearms in Asia and tries to galvanise its allies, two questions loom. Is it willing to risk a direct war with another nuclear power to defend Taiwan, something it has not been prepared to do for Ukraine? And by competing with China militarily in Asia, could it provoke the very war it is trying to prevent?


    The Economist - 9th March 2023
  • How should we define 'knowledge'?
    The perfect definition of knowledge that you’re looking for is actually in the dictionary.


    facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.

    The Dictionary

    The confusion appears for want of trying to apply it to science. However the definition still holds true as falsafiabilty only applies to the scientific method and not the information or knowledge that is derived from it.

    @Cidat
  • How should we define 'knowledge'?


    I think you draw a good distinction between scientific knowledge and everyday easily accessible knowledge about the world.

    Take for example the common knowledge that the earth is round. It can be falsified by the possibility of it being flat. However empirical and scientific evidence is strong enough for the theory that it is round to be accepted.

    The reason for such rigour when it comes to scientific claims (knowledge) is that they must be tested by experiment.
  • Currently Reading
    The Island Of Extraordinary Captives - Simon Parkin

    The British have detained in concentration camps the very people we found it necessary to detain.

    Where are those much-vaunted democratic liberties of which the English boast?

    HITLER, 1940
  • How should we define 'knowledge'?
    https://explorable.com/falsifiability

    The above might help. I think I’ve confused the term. It appears that unfalsifiable information is in fact utterly useless.

    Correction: Unfalsifiable Info might actually be useful.

    As for science I’m not sure how to apply the production of useful knowledge from theory that describes some aspect of nature or models them for the sake of prediction.
  • The Illusory Nature of Free Will
    Well let’s use shoes as another example. In certain communist tyrannies the lack of choice was real. In some countries jeans were not even allowed as were seen as a western thing.

    Now that’s tyranny and actually occurred in plenty Eastern bloc countries. But thats communism for you. Lack of choice which is what I’m hinting is the very definition of such a system.

    Choice (consumer choice) is in fact a natural trait of capitalism.

    If you’re critiquing that then that’s fine.

    @unenlightened oh and please try not to lecture me on the merits of communism over democracy and liberalism.

    Communism was tried, tested, failed. Cuba, China Russia all failed and who suffered ? The People.

    The very people that communism was meant to empower.
  • How should we define 'knowledge'?
    Knowledge to me is a warranted proposition reflecting the state of things.

    It is raining - is one such a proposition and constitutes knowledge.

    The Yankees suck is opinion and is subjective and does not constitute knowledge.

    If however, one looks at the mlb rankings and realises for example that they’re losing more often than other teams in the current season then such an opinion is true as it reflects the state of things.

    Knowledge is unfalsifiable information that is all.
  • Our relation to Eternity
    If there is a possibility or a potential of something happening i.e. winning the lotto or in this instance eternal life then the question is one of likelihood not impossibility.
  • Antinatalism Arguments
    It’s nice to be in such a diverse environment where some wanna die whilst others wanna live forever.
  • Our relation to Eternity
    The believer's problem is (as always) s/he can't shake fearing what s/he undeniably knows: reality withstands faith. :pray: :eyes:180 Proof

    If reality whatever we may agree that to be is eternal and persists when we do not (as in dead) then that same state of affairs which granted a rational being with imagination and the desire to live forever (me included) requires no great leap of faith to at least consider it as a possibility.
  • The Illusory Nature of Free Will
    Yes. Choice is always conflict, and conflict is the end of freedom.unenlightened

    How so? Imagine a society where only one type of car was available to it’s citizens. Red Model B

    By your argument a citizen in this society would be free by fact of not having to make a choice what model car to buy.

    I argue the opposite. Imagine now a society where various models of cars are available, the citizen here can choose any model, colour he likes.

    This choice is the real freedom for instead of colour of car being the variable, it is price. For in the former society that is fixed and the citizen would have no choice but to pay that price.
  • Progress: an insufferable enthusiasm
    The protection of certain human rights from the actions of evil doers, the ignorant and territorial ambitions must be defended with equal or superior force lest the progress made so for to attain and maintain those rights be compromised.

    That’s progress, it’s tool science and by extension weapons of war, medicine and other life enhancing inventions.
  • The Illusory Nature of Free Will
    But what really is the question of free will? Is it a question of the paths we take and if we had a choice on taking such a path or are choices illusory too?

    How could a choice be illusory when by deciding to take it we make it real? For example John doesn’t have a car. He has two choices buy a car or don’t.

    Buying a car has now created a reality in which John has a car.

    From this angle it only makes sense to talk of free will in terms of events that come into being and then applying the question post fact as to whether John buying a car was in fact inevitable.

    I don’t know John or the choices he is facing yet his choices will impact me and my choices later down the line or at least they have the potential to.

    In any case choices affect future reality (e.g. I could crash into johns brand new car some day)

    It would make sense to talk of non-choice here too. The choice of not buying a car still is very much a choice.

    But does it affect reality ? Yup I could run John over whilst he is crossing the road.

    Non-choices are completely different to choices. Imagine choice being two forks in a road and non-choice just a straight road.

    The question of free will then only applies when we come to that fork in the road.

    Objections to the bit in bold ?
  • Bernard Gert’s answer to the question “But what makes it moral?”
    Collaboration/Cooperation is not always altruistic, it’s there to serve or advance the interest of each party for themselves.

    Take this to a grander scale such as geopolitics.

    The cooperation between Russia and US on the non use of nuclear weapons ensures each others survival. So the cooperation that is taking place is for the sake of self-preservation.

    In other non live or die scenarios such as the above cooperation is done for the self or even selfish interests of each party.

    There is nothing inherently moral about capitalism.
  • Our relation to Eternity


    It’s ok to lose interest, I mean it’s only eternal life that’s at stake. No biggie.
  • Our relation to Eternity


    I’m not quite sure what your doubt concerning reality is about if I’m honest.

    The world existing independently of us is a given in the OP at least. So your questions seem slightly redundant.
  • Our relation to Eternity


    Sometimes as Christians we are not always aware of gods plan for us. This applies to most of us or other faiths of a monotheistic nature. On the subject of eternal life which this topic is about that is a promise and a given in the bible for those who do believe.

    as a rational being however even this precept doesn’t leave this concept open to doubt but I believe thats the upside of faith rather than it’s downside.

    I doubt even JC knew whilst he was on the cross.

    I’m reminded of Rolling Stones - sympathy for the devil

    Please allow me to introduce myself
    I'm a man of wealth and taste
    I've been around for a long, long years
    Stole million man's soul an faith
    And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
    Had his moment of doubt and pain
    Made damn sure that Pilate
    Washed his hands and sealed his fate

    I have attempted synthesis of various spiritual ideas which even the atheist might find useful as to the nature of consciousness.
  • Triads
    Hi Toby Determined,

    Nice name btw,

    The quote below has been alluded to by Hegel in the preface, which I’ve quoted below it.

    Compare with the quote from the Phenomenology "The life of God and divine intelligence, then, can, if we like, be spoken of as love disporting with itself; but this idea falls into edification, and even sinks into insipidity, if it lacks the seriousness, the suffering, the patience, and the labour of the negative."Toby Determined

    The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant’s existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another. But the ceaseless activity of their own inherent nature makes them at the same time moments of an organic unity, where they not merely do not contradict one another, but where one is as necessary as the other; and this equal necessity of all moments constitutes alone and thereby the life of the whole. But contradiction as between philosophical systems is not wont to be conceived in this way; on the other hand, the mind perceiving the contradiction does not commonly know how to relieve it or keep it free from its one-sidedness, and to recognise in what seems conflicting and inherently antagonistic the presence of mutually necessary moments.

    I think that encapsulates and clarifies your Hegel quote a little bit better.

    But I was struck by that impenetrable paragraph and curious whether the quoter could translate it. That done, I shall trouble you no more.Vera Mont

    @Vera Mont
    Does the above quote from the analogy of the blossom help you at all regarding the negation of edification ?
  • Our relation to Eternity
    So it isn't necessarily contradictory to assert that one is immortal from one's own perspective, yet mortal from another's perspective.sime

    The old adage: I intend to live forever, so far so good.
    ——
    Imagine Tom, Dick and Harry having a solipsistic conversation.

    Tom says: Neither of you exist, i’m just having a hallucination.

    Dick Says: that may be so but I’m completely sober and your drugs will wear off soon and I will still be here.

    Harry Says: drugs ? What drugs.

    Harry of course is a schizophrenic and Tom and Dick are just two of his multiple personalities.

    Faced with such a transcript who actually exists here ?
  • Our relation to Eternity


    Perhaps it helps if the problem is simplified…

    If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
  • Our relation to Eternity
    That's the death of reality to you, what you speak of is a worthless abstraction, why would you call it a reality?Judaka

    Because reality continues even if you discontinue.

    That’s real, deny it all if you wish.
  • Meditation, Monkey Brain and Mind Chatter


    Please don’t be sorry. I thought you were struggling grasping the NOW.
  • Our relation to Eternity


    But life goes on with or without you right. I have no problem with such solipsism such as yours but it fundamentally rejects reality.

    Reality of course being that life does go on after you die. All solipsistic claims are equally valid for each person. I could make the claim that you are simply just an extension of my mind and imagination and that in fact you don’t really exist but only that I do.

    This would be incorrect.

    All existence is not based on mine, it’s the other way round … I am based on it or in it whichever one you prefer.
  • What exemplifies Philosophy?
    For me philosophy is useless unless it guides or informs someone’s principles in their everyday life, although not all branches of philosophy have practical everyday use.

    So from the above useful rationale socio-ethic would exemplify philosophy, well at least mine anyway.

    Quite literally, the term "philosophy" means, "love of wisdom." In a broad sense, philosophy is an activity people undertake when they seek to understand fundamental truths about themselves, the world in which they live, and their relationships to the world and to each other.

    Metaphysics although arguably of no practical use in everyday life can still affect someone’s ethics, in fact most other branches of philosophy impact ethics in some way shape or form albeit subtly…

    Apart from Aesthetics…but maybe I’m missing something here. Most likely, as the appreciation of beauty is universal in the aspect that everyone should be have the right to but subjective from the old saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
  • Ukraine Crisis


    Link please?

    Brazil Russia India China (BRIC)

    I was giving this some thought. China if it wanted an indirect confrontation with the West could supply Russia with weaponry and also test them in real world scenarios as to how they’d perform. It would be interesting to see the Wests reaction to that. Sanctions for China? The immediate aftermath would be even higher inflation as lots of cheap stuff for the west is made there. It would hurt China too as a large portion of its economy is based around supplying the west with such goods.

    This then leads to the question of Taiwan… pointless military posturing or a real statement of intent ? Again sanctions from the west if it goes that far, they might have won the battle but lost the war. Perhaps China would realise that the risk of taking Taiwan would outweigh the costs to their economy plus future relationships with the west. Also the disruption in the form of tech such as microchips has already made the west fund their own chip foundries in the US, Intel certainly has allocated billions supplemented by US govt as well. Intel wants to do the same in Europe but they’re bargaining Germany (EU) for more state funding to do so.

    India is an odd one as their relationship with China are frosty. With Russia they certainly snap their hand off for their oil. India is in an awkward position as it wants to embrace the west and replace China for certain western tech goods production. their IT service industry already caters for a large portion of EU/US corporations

    Brazil heavily infiltrated by Chinese agenda are almost certainly set to play a bigger role in chinas behalf in South America - America relations although that’s primarily from an economic pov, as the allure of cheap chinese electronics is too much of a good offer to turn down.
  • The small town alcoholic and the liquor store attendant
    If someone was trying to quit drinking and i was a possible enabler in the continuation of their habit then I would make the sale.

    Few months back after the new year a lot of the public places selling alcohol in my town were closed…I bumped into an acquaintance who enjoys his drink but is not an alcoholic in the traditional sense. Anyway after exchanging pleasantries he asked me if I knew any pubs that would be open as most were closed on this particular bank holiday.

    Being a knowledgeable and helpful fella that I am I suggested a few places that might be open for business, although not guaranteed.

    As we parted ways he said something like Every dirty dog finds his watering hole.
  • Is the future real?


    If it helps think of the future as a way of planning the present.