If Mary can talk about not only the concept of colour but also what it feels like to perceive colour, then, in your own words, how would you describe your perception of the colour violet to a person who cannot see colours. — RussellA
Which begs the question of what is exactly rational? (Rational defined as ‘based on reason or logic’).
Or more controversially, is there a line dividing rational and irrational?
And where exactly or approximately is it?
Are emotionals or instinctive behaviors included or excluded? — 0 thru 9
agree that Mary can talk about the concept of colour, ie "colour is the visual perception based on the electromagnetic spectrum. Though colour is not an inherent property of matter, colour perception is related to an object's light absorption, reflection, emission spectra and interference"
But can Mary talk about what it feels like to perceive colour ? — RussellA
Hegel on the other hand is an absolute idealist, meaning that there is no 'thing in itself', that is itself a contradictory idea. There is nothing laying 'behind' our sensibility and the distinction sensibility and understanding cannot be made. ... Saying for instance that a door knob is not really really a doorknob, but instead a bundle of intuitions from some noumenal world, is nonsense for Hegel. A doorknob is a doorknob is a doorknob. There are just no god given doorknobs, they are a product of our interaction with the world. That is not a transcendental but an immanent logic. — Tobias
To me, this is somehow related to the transpersonal (as a whole including psychology, studies, and practices). — 0 thru 9
The concept of the ‘transrational’ makes one wonder (according to the etymology of transrational) what actually is beyond the rational? — 0 thru 9
Just because one must use norms to perform logic does make those norms objective. — Bob Ross
I’ve already clarified this, so I am confused why you are still straw manning moral realism: the idea is that there are true mind-independent moral judgments, which do not necessarily have to be tangible. — Bob Ross
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-realism/Taken at face value, the claim that Nigel has a moral obligation to keep his promise, like the claim that Nyx is a black cat, purports to report a fact and is true if things are as the claim purports. Moral realists are those who think that, in these respects, things should be taken at face value—moral claims do purport to report facts and are true if they get the facts right.
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While moral realists are united in their cognitivism and in their rejection of error theories, they disagree among themselves not only about which moral claims are actually true but about what it is about the world that makes those claims true.
I think that there is a way to do radical relativism without contradiction, but it requires irony and disclaimers.I am saying that we use norms as the bedrock to what we do, which includes epistemology, and that, yes, my assessment of norms is contingent on what norms I used to assess them: I don’t see any logical contradiction nor internal/external incoherency with that position. — Bob Ross
I have not been able to penetrate into what you mean by “rationality”, as it seems to be some sort of logos, so please give me clear and concise definition (so that I can assess). — Bob Ross
...a participant in a genuine argument is at the same time a member of a counterfactual, ideal communication community that is in principle equally open to all speakers and that excludes all force except the force of the better argument. Any claim to intersubjectively valid knowledge (scientific or moral-practical) implicitly acknowledges this ideal communication community as a metainstitution of rational argumentation, to be its ultimate source of justification
No, I haven't read any. — Luke
"Rain" is a straightforward concept, it obscures most of the subjectivity at play in language and truth, which is why it's wrong to extrapolate from them. — Judaka
:up:You cannot say "it is raining" in a non-linguistic way. There is no "actually raining" or "actual state of raining" — Judaka
However, I'm not sure whether there is much left to say if W is correct in saying that the private sensation is "not a Nothing", but "a Something about which nothing could be said." — Luke
but didn't want to interrupt — Luke
What give "introspection" meanings is not what lies hidden within the self, but what is expressed and understood between others. — Richard B
:up:That's a fascinating notion and rings true for me. — Tom Storm
This might be the essence:I am ADHD and thus struggle to follow even small essays, but I am going through it. How much of this paper coincides with your understanding? Anywhere you notably disagree with it? — Judaka
Could you clarify what you mean? — Judaka
For Gadamer, following Heidegger, our interpretative prejudices are otherwise invisible to us. — plaque flag
What do you mean by "glasses we can take off"? — Judaka
I don't think truth is a word about describing the world accurately. — Judaka
If you clarify this I might agree.... it's just a matter of whether it's correct to reference the weather as raining. The nuances of this are far more apparent when dealing with a word such as oppression. — Judaka
I'm sure you're not extrapolating as though there's zero difference, but I'm unsure about the differences you do perceive. — Judaka
That is why any real spirituality requires participation, not just empty words, and requires an inner transformation, metanoia, real conversion (and not just flag-waving). — Quixodian
Sacred, then, is the highest essence and everything in which this highest essence reveals or will reveal itself; but hallowed are they who recognize this highest essence together with its own, i. e. together with its revelations. The sacred hallows in turn its reverer, who by his worship becomes himself a saint, as likewise what he does is saintly, a saintly walk, saintly thoughts and actions, imaginations and aspirations, etc.
In the foremost place of the sacred, then, stands the highest essence and the faith in this essence, our "holy faith."
It's nothing personal. It's a philosophical observation. — Quixodian
I suggest that we might think of God/Jesus as an object seen from different 'perspectives.' A personality is a position in 'interpretative/hermeneutical space.' — plaque flag
Something like a cosmic film director or super CEO who can be conveniently blamed for all the bad stuff that happens in the world.
This is why any authentic spirituality, I contend, must necessarily be apophatic - the way of negation, the cloud of unknowing. — Quixodian
The point is to enact loving-kindness, not to make it object of a theory about it. — Quixodian
a belief in ...the inexhaustible love and creative power of Spirit — plaque flag
Would you say that about any other person? In what context is a person an object? — Quixodian
Not everyone. — Bob Ross
Yes. Norms are “real” irregardless of whether they are objective or not; but that’s not what “real” means in the metaethical debate: it means something which exists mind-independently. — Bob Ross
So you do think rationality somehow produces objective norms, correct? — Bob Ross
That’s fine. I am appealing to epistemic norms, fundamentally, to demonstrate how those epistemic norms are either (1) not fundamental or (2) are tastes. What is wrong with that? — Bob Ross
Not at all. I am saying that one’s fundamental obligation is always a taste (and not objective): it is mind dependent (and more specifically will dependent). — Bob Ross
Then what do you mean? Can you please define “rationality” for me (in the sense that you are using it)? — Bob Ross
Regarding Kant, Schopenhauer noted that since we are a thing-in-itself, it should be possible to directly experience at least one thing-in-itself, i.e., our own existence. — Art48
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ludwig-feuerbach/What we experience are the perceivable features of individual objects. It is through the act of thinking that we are able to identify those features through the possession of which different individuals belong to the same species, with the other members of which they share these essential features in common.
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Unlike sense experience, thought is essentially communicable. Thinking is not an activity performed by the individual person qua individual.
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The species has no existence apart form these individual organisms, and yet the perpetuation of the species involves the perpetual generation and destruction of the particular individuals of which it is composed. Similarly, Spirit has no existence apart from the existence of individual self-conscious persons in whom Spirit becomes conscious of itself (i.e., constitutes itself as Spirit).
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Arguing thus, Feuerbach urged his readers to acknowledge and accept the irreversibility of their individual mortality so that in doing so they might come to an awareness of the immortality of their species-essence, and thus to knowledge of their true self, which is not the individual person with whom they were accustomed to identify themselves. They would then be in a position to recognize that, while “the shell of death is hard, its kernel is sweet” (GTU 205/20), and that the true belief in immortality is
a belief in the infinity of Spirit and in the everlasting youth of humanity, in the inexhaustible love and creative power of Spirit, in its eternally unfolding itself into new individuals out of the womb of its plenitude and granting new beings for the glorification, enjoyment, and contemplation of itself. (GTU 357/137)
Does the basic style of communication transcend its theoretical products, or do its theoretical products redefine the very nature of the tradition? Does paradigm switching happen WITHIN science as it is understood under the terms of the old paradigm , or does the old guard, protecting its interpretation of the tradition. reject the heretical paradigm as non-science? — Joshs
Some musings.
I write in the present moment. The past is thoughts and memories. The future is memories. The present is real. It’s tangible. It’s here and now. It’s reality. The past doesn’t exist at the moment. Neither does the future. Only the present is here and now. Only the present is real.
It has always been so. I have always been in the present. The present is where I am now and where I’ve been my entire life. The present never ends. I am always in the present, even if my mind is elsewhere.
I do not exist in the past or the future. I exist now, in the present. If God is real, I can only experience God in the present. Excessive thought and concern about past and future takes me away from where I really am, takes me out of reality, takes me away from God.
The humble, ubiquitous present. So often ignored and undervalued. Yet it’s the only thing I have. It’s reality itself. — Art48
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PerspectivismPerspectivism (German: Perspektivismus; also called perspectivalism) is the epistemological principle that perception of and knowledge of something are always bound to the interpretive perspectives of those observing it. While perspectivism does not regard all perspectives and interpretations as being of equal truth or value, it holds that no one has access to an absolute view of the world cut off from perspective.[1] Instead, all such viewing occurs from some point of view which in turn affects how things are perceived. Rather than attempt to determine truth by correspondence to things outside any perspective, perspectivism thus generally seeks to determine truth by comparing and evaluating perspectives among themselves.
If it were abolished as a discipline, people would still attempt to make sense of life. — Pantagruel