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  • Freddy Ayer, R. G. Collingwood and metaphysics?
    The quote you couldn't find is actually from "An Autobiography" not the "Essay on Metaphysics". Apologies for misleading. It is on page 33 of my 1970 edition, which has the same pagination as the first edition available at archive.org. I have checked the wording, and it is as I quoted it above.

    I'm not convinced either by the principle of the logic of question-and-answer, or by the passage I misattributed. In the latter case, for the reasons I gave, asserting that truth is independent of context. On the former point, a little further on in the autobiography, Collingwood expands on his dispute with propositional logic, and with "various well-known theories of truth" (p. 36). I think my assertion means that I adhere to the correspondence theory of truth, and maybe I need to review that.

    I haven't read much of the Essay on Metaphysics, as you rightly detect. That's why I said that chapter XVI appears to rest on his theory of absolute presuppositions. I intend to look at this sometime, since I am interested in his critique of Ayer, and vice versa. But its melodramatic title, and the (apparent) fact that it is couched in RGC's personal theoretical framework, are both, to me, the reverse of encouraging.
  • Freddy Ayer, R. G. Collingwood and metaphysics?
    I used the words I did basically because, in this debate, my sympathies are with Ayer rather than Collingwood.

    RGC called Ayer a fool for his logical positivism. (And imo made his case.)tim wood

    I've gone back to my copy of Ayer's memoir, "Part of My Life (1977)", which confirms that, as Oxford colleagues, he and Collingwood were on good terms. Ayer says that RGC "did however take the book [Language, Truth and Logic, 1936] seriously enough to devote part of his lectures to refuting it. He ended one such lecture by saying 'if I thought that Mr Ayer was right, I would give up philosophy.'"

    That book, written after Ayer had studied with some of the Logical Positivists then active in Vienna, begins with a chapter "The Elimination of Metaphysics". Here, Ayer maintained "that no statement which refers to a 'reality' transcending the limits of all possible sense experience can possibly have any literal significance".

    Collingwood wrote his Essay on Metaphysics (1940), and his rebuttal of Ayer features in chapter XVI, "Suicide of Positivistic Metaphysics", which appears to rest on RGC's theory of absolute presuppositions.

    Many years ago (around the time Ayer was writing Part of my Life, in fact), I bought a copy of Collingwood's Autobiography, which I still have. In the chapter "Question and Answer", Collingwood outlines his departure from conventional propositional logic, with the view that any proposition Is in fact an answer to a question, and should be considered in that light. In the Essay, he says "Every statement that anybody ever makes is made in answer to a question"; and also "If the meaning of a proposition is relative to the question it answers, its truth must be relative to the same thing".

    I'm not now convinced by any of this. While the context in which a proposition occurs may be useful in understanding its meaning, and perhaps the reasons for its being stated, its truth will be independent of this context. The laws of motion formulated by Isaac Newton were accepted as science because they fit the facts, quite independently of the story about the apple in his orchard. Or indeed anything else about Newton's life or the society he lived in.

    I enjoyed Ray Monk's biography of Wittgenstein. However, I think the view in his Prospect article that Collingwood's early death altered the course of British philosophy is stretching the facts a bit. In my view, Ryle was influential principally because he was an operator, not because he held a particular Oxford professorship.

    Even if Collingwood had lived on and the vacancy not occurred when it did, Ryle would certainly still have written "The Concept of Mind", and possibly also been appointed editor of Mind, the pre-eminent British philosophical journal. I don't think Collingwood was an influencer on that level. I see him as a bit of an outsider: his influences were not local thinkers but Italians (Croce, Gentile), so he was not part of any Oxford faction. As far as I know, he left few followers to advocate and develop his thinking. Contrast his contemporary Wittgenstein, who also died early, but left a small army of disciples -- Anscombe, Geach, Rhees, von Wright, Malcolm etc.

    Of course, I could be wrong about that. It is true that, 80 years after his death, quite a lot of his work is still available, in print or as e-books. I'd be interested to learn more about any influence it has had.
  • Freddy Ayer, R. G. Collingwood and metaphysics?


    While disputes with colleagues is a good part of being a professional philosopher, they would put their professionalism at risk if they resorted to name-calling. So I think Collingwood's position on Ayer would be better expressed by saying that he profoundly disagreed with him.

    I was amused to see that the entry on Ayer in my edition of the Oxford Companion to Philosophy was written by Timothy Sprigge, the author of "the Vindication of Absolute Idealism".

    Both Sprigge, and the Companion's editor, Ted Honderich, studied under Ayer at UCL. Honderich contributed a supportive preface to Ayer's final book, a collection of essays entitled "The Meaning of Life". This was published posthumously in 1990. If it contains any allusion to the Monty Python film of the same name, this has so far eluded me.

    Anyone who entertains nostalgia for Collingwood and British Idealism (I don't) might also appreciate the remarks of another professional philosopher (Ray Monk), published in Prospect https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/ideas/philosophy/39183/how-the-untimely-death-of-rg-collingwood-changed-the-course-of-philosophy-forever
  • Philosophical dictionaries

    I agree too. I have the 1995 paperback edition of Honderich's Companion. Having started to read philosophy again after a long layoff, I've found it very useful.

    I also bought an electronic copy of the Oxford Blackburn dictionary, for portability. However that sometimes fails me perhaps because some entries are too compressed. The Blackburn entry on phenomenalism left me with more questions than answers. Honderich cleared much of my confusion, and pointed towards further reading.

    Of course, Honderich is the editor, having gathered contributions from about 200 contributors. The phenomenalism entry is the work of Ernest Sosa, of Brown Univ.