Why is the idea of an infinite universe not logical? In fact, I wanted to show solely that the idea of a limited universe containing everything is not logical, — Asktheshadow

Then can we have a limited universe containing everything we know of? The known universe, meaning everything we can see.

because as he tries to contain himself there still is a new him not contained and if he doesn`t contain himself he doesn`t include everything and defies his own definition. — Asktheshadow

I'm really trying hard to follow you here. In order to contain everything, there has to be something that does the containing, and that something falsifies the definition of everything?

And I delivered details that this definition of an universe as something that includes everything is properly used( ``the universe : all of space and everything in it`` etc.) — Asktheshadow

The definitions should say "everything in the known universe. Everything we can see."

And there are contradictions with the fact that universe would be limited in physics and logics: when you discover it`s limits, you should discover itself in it, as it contains everything and discover that the universe that contains himself within himself still doesn`t contains his ``newest form``, that double him. — Asktheshadow

Again you are personifying something, God, all of creation? That is a different argument. And I don't follow the "newest form" If all of creation stepped outside itself to contain itself, there would be another him?

You just didn`t understand what I have said there and my point: to prove this model of universe including everything within can`t be limited. — Asktheshadow

But there is a limit to the known universe. Everything, as you say, also includes what might or might not be outside of the known universe, beyond the limit. There is no way we can know what is there. Science ignores it altogether. There is no way to prove that Everything that exists is without limit.

What we are talking about defies logic. The idea of an infinite universe is not logical or valid. Also, definitions for the word "universe" found in dictionaries are grossly dated.

EDIT: I buy the Big Bang theory. That is only a theory, but it makes more sense to me than the theory that the universe has no beginning or end, that it was always here and will always remain as it is for all eternity.

I think he idea of infinity/eternity is simply impossible, it cannot exist. It can be demonstrated, as far as we know, and as far as computers can calculate, with mathematics, but that doesn't say anything about the possibility of infinity in the real world.

"The only constant is change."

Science makes a pretty good case that the universe we inhabit is finite, so one could speculate that there has to be something outside of our universe, something different. But it is impossible, so far, for science to see what that might be, or the extent of it, so currently the topic is moot.