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I don't see how "self-containment" is even relevant. I would think that if the descriptive terms used to describe the properties or attributes of the members of one realm are distinct from, and not reducible to the descriptive terms of the other, then the two are distinct.
Doesn't that miss jkg20's point?
Yes, I think so - in any case I'm still waiting for a definition of distinctness of realms in terms other than self-containment. However, your point about the dualism issue possibly making sense when shifted to talk of properties rather than realms is food for thought - I'll have to think about that - but I initially I think my general point could be recast.
Assume two distinct realms, be it properties or substances or whatever: what makes them distinct? You cannot just help yourself to the fact that they are distinct (well, you could, but then you wouldn't be doing metaphysics). So, you try to move forward by providing necessary and sufficient conditions for something to be in one of the realms or the other. But, if they are not strictly logically contradictory conditions, how do you rule out the possibility of one thing meeting the necessary and sufficient conditions for being in both realms, and thus destroying their distinctness? Because, one wants to insist, precisely because the realms are distinct - but then we are back to where we began - we're just asserting and not establishing distinctness. So, we shift the abstract definition of distinctness a little more and we add the condition that the realms are self-contained - but what does that add? What it adds, at least under one expansion of the idea, is that the items in distinct realms could exist in the absence of all items in any other possible realm, which clearly excludes the idea of one thing being in two actual realms, because one thing cannot exist in its own absence. And now here comes the principle of sufficient reason (which, incidently, is not uniquely concerned with causation). The principle of sufficient reason simply states that only that exists for which there is a reason why it exists (the reason may be a cause, but it may be something other than a cause). But now suppose we adopt the perspective of one of these mooted self-contained realms. All things in it exist independently of any other realm. So, what would motivate, from the perspective of this realm, the idea that there might even be another realm at all? Since this realm is self-contained, there is no causal dependence of this realm on any external realm. Also, if we suggest that a second realm might be the causal offshoot of this realm, the principle of sufficient reason reapplies - why would there be such an offshoot if nothing within this realm requires it? We might try to look for non-causal connections between realms that could answer the demands of the principle of sufficient reason, but even though not all reasons are causes, I'm not sure whether a non-causal reason would fare any better at giving (from the perspective of one realm) a sufficient grounds for the existence of another realm. Having said that, it's entirely possible that there are options that have not crossed my mind.
So, the next move is to say that the principle of sufficient reason should not be applied from the perspective of any given realm, and so has no bite in this line of thought. But is it possible to apply that principle without applying it from some realm or another? This is a genuine question, not a rhetorical one, by the way.
Alternatively, we ditch the principle of sufficient reason entirely - but, since that is (arguably) the principle that motivates all science and philosophy (if you make a difference between the two) that seems a little drastic and possibly self-stultifying.
So, I remain currently unconvinced that dualism is a genuine alternative to monism.