"... Not what the tongue touches, but what it forms, not lips and nipples, but nouns and verbs...." ~William Gass — 180 Proof

Getting hot around here! I prefer silence when lips and nipples are involved, Except for the moaning of course.

physician-assisted suicide — Ferzeo

No one would be able to justify helping someone die because their farcebook account did not see enough visits and likes. As we have seen over the past few years a lot of teenagers are doing just that though, killing themselves because of bullying or lack of interest from the social site members.

But to just sit back and say to someone whose body is literally killing them and the pain they suffer is unbearable that they do not have the right to die when they want to is disgusting.
How can anyone decide for someone else when enough is enough.

A friend of mine killed himself a few years because of cancer eating away at his body, a bullet to the head ended his pain. But the family had to deal with the mess and shame of it all. Everyone could have had a reasonable end to the situation if he had been allowed to end his own life when he considered it to be too much trouble to keep on living.

As an adult, one's life is one's own to do with as one wants in life. No one rushes after you to tell you that you are making mistakes and that you should do this and not that, unless you spend a lot of time watching the news. You are expected to get on with your life and do what is necessary to be able to live it decently.
So why do so many people think that they have the right to stick their nose into other people's lives and deaths?

Those who aspire to greatness probably shouldn't spend their time arguing over new names for an internet philosophy forum. — T Clark

Yes sir, you are right about that. They should just go ahead and rename. :cool:

Rent Free Thinking Space

More than one possible way of understanding the meaning.

I have been trying to get time to read another of his books for some time now. I have a few days off work this week so maybe I will get lucky.

The Death of Homo Economicus: Work, Debt and the Myth of Endless Accumulation - Peter Fleming

And what will he do when the brother doesn't pay him back? Sue him? — Tzeentch

Apparently the brother has no idea what a loan is, as he has already failed to pay back several. Asking him to sign a contract would force him to see the legal side of money lending. He has the choice of not signing it and looking else where for a loan.
If he accepts and fails to make good the payment, at least he will think twice about asking for more money.
You yourself said that he needed an education in finances. Asking for a contract would be a good place to start his learning.

You're giving the sort of advice that destroys families. — Tzeentch

"A friend in need is a friend in deed." Applies to family members as well.

I don't know much about the family being talked about here, but I can name several families that have been badly messed up because of money problems like this.
I would rather have a family member refuse to talk to me because I would not give him money than to not want to talk to him because of his bad actions. If he does not want to talk to me that is his problem not mine, my door would always be open for him.

Lend him the money and write up a contract of payment where he is legally bound to repay you.

It makes no difference where the money came from, he had his part and screwed it up, unless your part was much bigger than his why should you feel bad about his screw ups?

Family can sometimes be your worst enemy.

"Laughed" was a metaphor...clearly...we're saying the same thing... — Noble Dust

Yeah, of course. Nudge nudge, :wink: :wink:

This thread has been going on for 3 years and it began with a poll. If you haven't answered it yet, please go back and look at it and answer it. — Hanover

With all due respect sir, but I cannot remember whether I voted or not. So could you just be nice and post a fucking list of those that did so that we can tell if we need to go and voted. Please. :wink:

Sorry to be a bother and all that, but at my age it seems to be getting harder to remember such important details of ones life. :chin:

All music was "modern" and laughed at at some point. — Noble Dust

No one laughed at rock n' roll. They either hated and reviled it as the work of the devil or they loved it.

Maybe you need to be exposed to Latin American reggaeton.



Please note the following.
Most of the time there is no sync between the noise they make and the movement of their mouths.
They do not sing but use synthesized voices that are barely understandable.
There is little meaning to anything that is included in the video.
The liberal use of flesh to cover up the fact that it is several minutes of audio garbage.

You don't even need to speak Spanish, I cannot understand even being able to.

Bing bong noise. — S

Are you talking about modern music? :rofl:

Mostly work and trying to not die so far HAHA. — Waya

I have been doing that for 65 years, there has to be something else. :chin:

“You mean Mr. Te Stroete? He’s one of our boys.” — Noah Te Stroete

In exactly what sense are you using "boys" here?
A. as in choirboy the the priests.
B. as in good boy like a pet
C. a boy as in one of our sons

On vacation again are you? :lol: That Honey Do List keeps you busy! — ArguingWAristotleTiff

No, no yet, But that danged list keeps getting bigger and the bank account smaller. Vacations start at the end of November but I have a whole lot of things that need to be done before then.

Sorry for the unload, I hope I am not burdening you :flower: — ArguingWAristotleTiff

No problem, you have my email if you want to use it.

I really don't know what advice to offer, except that if your dad made a request then go ahead and get on with it. Don't wait for others to screw around, make the arrangements to bury him where he wanted to be and if the others are not happy about it f*** 'em. At least you will be at peace.

I have had little contact with the rest of my family for many years, you get used to it. Especially when they are irritating to be around. My house is open to all that want to come visiting, if they don't come I am OK with that.

Live peacefully and don't let others upset you.

Someday, if I don't die first, I shall figure out this thing called living! :victory: — Waya

Oh please let me know when you do, I still don't have much of a clue about it. Except of course that there can occasionally be fun in it.

Dumbo the elephant? :smile:

Or maybe I should send it to the BBC, they love to hear juicy little things like that about the boys across the pond.

Are you doing alright Tiff? Hope everything is OK.

I have only been managing to come by for a few minutes at a time, busy fixing stuff around the house.

A christian pastor, a catholic priest, a Jewish rabbi, a Jehovah witness and a Muslim were on a small plane. All of a sudden the pilot rushes out of the cockpit opens a lock, grabs a parachute, opens the door and before he jumps yells that the plane is out of fuel and will crash in a few minutes.

The pastor looks in the locker and sees that there are only two more parachutes, he grabs one. The witness grabs the other and they both jump out before the others can realize what is happening.

The Muslim gets down on the floor and prays out loud and then jumps out of the plane screaming "Into the hands of Allah". A hand reaches down from the cloud and grabs him.

The jew drops to the floor and repeats what the Muslim did, then jumps out of the plane screaming "Into the hands of Allah". A hand reaches down from the cloud and grabs him.

The catholic priest follows the example of the rabbi an jumps screaming "Into the hands of Allah". A hand reaches down from the cloud and grabs him.

Just as he jumps the plane's motor dies and it dips towards the earth.

"Oh thank god" he cries and crosses himself.

The hand from the sky throws him to the ground.

You have to continue believing.

If all of the particles that made up the Empire State Building had the EMPTY space removed from them there would be an object about the size of a grain of rice left. With so much empty space in every object it might be possible to squeeze in another object or two. How the hell it could be done I have no idea though.

Open your head, — Shamshir

Completely different sense to the word as used in this context as used in the door example.

and I will pour the knowledge into it. — Shamshir

I seriously doubt that you have anything new or exciting to offer. :shade:

Democrats are all sissy pussies, and all Republicans in Congress and Trump should be tortured then shot. — Noah Te Stroete

Sounds interesting, I shall pass this on to my buddies at the CIA, they love this kind of info.

Err huuum, would not torture then being shot be sort of overkill and costly? Would this be done with public funds or would it be a privately sponsored event?

Possibly I can put the rest of the threads back online when it all becomes public domain, 70 years after the last poster dies. — Paul

:lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl:

I doubt I shall be waiting around that long. Oh shit, I am one of those posters. :cry:

a well written manual on riding a bicycle is worthless if the rider doesn't innately 'get it'. — Shamshir

That is the first sensible thing you have said, well almost sensible.

But there is no way a person can learn to ride a bike by reading about it. You have to put your butt in the saddle and ride till you fall off and then start gain.

Leading a horse to water and all that. — Shamshir

When things need to be explained, the onus is on the writer to do so. There is no horse and no water involved.

Or the punchline of a joke. — Shamshir

Jokes rarely transcend ethnic, racial, territorial, gender, economic or even age barriers. And the best comedians no that and play to a particular audience so that the do get the punch line.
It is not the problem of the poor black kid in the ghetto to understand a rich man's joke about golf.

And then we come around again - you open up the wall, to drive your car out. — Shamshir

I am beginning to think that you have some sort of a problem with the English language. You cannot open a wall. You would have to knock it down or drive over it.

It's all just a reference to an omission.
And the omission is context.
Look at the first question I asked in this thread. — Shamshir

OK.

When you say 'open the door' - are you opening up the barricade and inspecting its insides or are you moving the barricade and opening up a passage? — Shamshir

If this is the question you are talking about the only omission from the question is common sense.
You would usually dismantle the door to look inside it or look stupid if it was a solid door.
A door involves just two things, allowing passage from one place to another or block passage from one place to another. Opening it allows the first and closing it the second. And you can call it whatever you like, door, manhole cover, portal, trapdoor, storm door, revolving door, fire door and the list goes on and on.

A door might be part of a wall but it is not a wall.

I am out of here.
Bye.

Do you drive through the garage door or do you move it? — Shamshir

:meh: Did you not read where I said that you open the door to drive your car out, it would then seem pretty obvious that you would have to drive through the hole that it left in the wall.

I prefer the extra space, it gives me more room to breathe. — Metaphysician Undercover

If it was on the top I would not mind, extra head spaces is always good. But at the end??? No use at all.

A garage door is a garage wall; if proportion is the issue. — Shamshir

Who mentioned size? How can size be an issue when the size of the DOOR is adjust to the size of the object passing through it. Do you not open your big garage door to drive your car out. Next time try driving through the wall as they are the same thing right.

And there are doorflaps within doorflaps. — Shamshir

Those little flats are just smaller doors set into larger ones so that you do not have to open the big one. Try to imagine a warehouse door being opened ever time a person wants to enter or leave, that is why they install smaller "people" size doors in them .

A door is a door and will all ways be a door.
A wall is a wall and until you can show me one that can be opened and closed you are wrong.

END OF TOPIC

I vote for Hanover's suggestion, only without the extra space. — S

:chin: ?

And thus - we come around again, do you open the wall or the passage? — Shamshir

'Tis you. dear sir, that is spinning in circles. A wall just stands there, it cannot be opened in the sense that a door or portal would be. THAT is why they install doors in them, so that one can traverse through the wall without having to disintegrate your self and pass the molecules between those of the wall material.

Hey, you guys have taken a deeply meaningful and, frankly, moving thread about new names for the forum and turned it into a dumb-ass discussion about dumb-ass rules of punctuation. I applaud your efforts. — T Clark

Don't pick on the lady, it is not her fault. Hanover started it with some dumb-assed idea that a double space would make the place seem more classy.
First of all, we as a group are as classy as we need to be and there is no reason to try and make us look any better. You cannot improve upon perfection. :wink:
Secondly, his idea is so far out of date the the Mayans dropped it before the Spanish arrived. :down:

Let's call the place Master Minds, with capital letter M's, so that Hanover will think he is in a classy place.
We can then all be M&M's. :cool:

It should be universal. — Christopher

Should being the key word there, as intelligence supposedly should be able to be measured without the use of any language.

Did you find a test yet?

OOKK, BBuutt II bbeett II ccoouulldd ddoouubbllee uupp aannyy cchhaarraacctteerr,, aanndd oonnllyy tthhee ssppaacceess wwoouulldd bbee eeddiitteedd.. — Metaphysician Undercover

:rofl:

True, probable because the people that designed the editing software figured that an educated person would only leave double spaces by accident and that everything else they wrote was because that was what they wanted to say.

Do you see any foundational difference between a wall and a barricade? A wall isn't immovable, merely stationary. — Shamshir

Look up the definition of barricade, door, cover and then wall. Which is meant to be movable and which is meant to be permanent? A wall is not immovable, but it is a bitch to close it again after you open it.

I was thinking empirically valid tests, such as WAIS or Stanford-Binet, ect. — Christopher

Not sure how many people here have had the opportunity to do those tests. There are quite a few that might have done them in their mother tongue, not English. Would, do you think, this make any significant difference?

Show us a good test on the web that we can all take and then compare the results.

I learned in school to leave a double space after a period. — Metaphysician Undercover

What kind of school did you go to?

It's not like it's a huge waste of valuable space or anything. — Metaphysician Undercover

It is in a forum, spaces count the same as any other character. That means that for every sentence there is an extra character. over several thousand sentences that adds up to a lot of extra space on the server drive and extra download time for the people viewing the thread. There are some people that have limited data mobile services so every byte counts.

It does, in the sense that opening the door references the opening of said portal, and not the removal of the cover; not directly anyway, as the removal is just an assumed step that's not mentioned.

An easier way to convey the door as the barricade would be to reference its hinges; though considering this cover is more or less part of the passage, when you reference the cover you inadvertently reference the passage — Shamshir

A barricade, cover, door are not the same as a wall, and never will be. All of them are removable, can you remove a wall?

No Memes Land

The Rock of psalter. At least for the religion section

A thousand and one shytes.

Dummies guide to a good life.

When you say 'open the door' - are you opening up the barricade and inspecting its insides or are you moving the barricade and opening up a passage? — Shamshir

You are removing the cover of a portal between one place and another. I makes no difference what is on either side of the portal.

A cat with no arms or legs isn't a snake. It's a doorstop. — Hanover

I have yet to see a cat with arms, so it is difficult to imagine on without them. :chin: