Oh dear, I just remembered that I should have made some sort of a comment on the topic of your post to me. And that I should not have introduced other topics that might be considered "talking past you".

Sorry about that.

The discussions in question were my own discussions. You think I could have been the one going off topic in my own discussions? :brow: — S

The fish are starting to bite.

I specifically asked you to be polite and refrain from answering my posts. So now we know that your are not polite I suppose that I could be charitable and reply so that you do not think that I am not respectful.

Did you think that I was talking about you specifically? God forbid that I would stoop so low as to do such a thing. Did you know that vanity is one of the silent killers of the century? A billionaire died the other day just because he thought he needed a bigger dick.

But anyway time to move along. Here's another representation of an object for you to think about.



Is it really a mug, or is it really a message? Does reality allow it to be both? :wink:

I think it could be helpful to bring that experience into this thread as a kind of 'case-study' in order to pick apart exactly what went wrong. — csalisbury

I like that idea. It would be good to see who is off topic by examining what each person was talking about and comparing it to the specified topic in the OP.

Just might be that several people have egg on their chins. Or mustaches.

Beautifully expressed. :up:

This:
People that make a post for each paragraph of the post they are replying to instead of one for the whole thing.

It seems as though they are only interested in making higher post totals than participating in a civilized discussion.

And this:
People that take OPs from other people change a few words and an opposing idea and sell it as their own.

Are people giving up their authenticity by buying into a narrative that overrides their dislike for the work at hand? — schopenhauer1

How many do you think are actually aware that they are doing it?

A bird cannot reflect on how much he is tired of gathering seeds and berries. — schopenhauer1

While I cannot prove this to be false, there is not much information about it being true either. The truth is we don't know whether they are capable of reflecting upon their own lives. Have you seen the black birds that figure out how to solve problems so that they can get food. They are very inventive and appear to contemplate problems and use trial and error to solve them. Is it possible that they prefer to solve problems over just finding food out of boredom or dissatisfaction with their usual job?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0

A human can, but still trudges on. — schopenhauer1

Not all humans do, many seek to better their lot in life. Some just give up. It is a question of opportunities being present or not. How many people of low income have a chance to make their lives better? Not many, and some don't even notice that there are occasionally opportunities for them. So they tell themselves that things could be worse and that they are happy for what they have. That is human nature as any psychologist will tell you, no one wants to suffer so we create defenses against it.

But from another point of view, just how many truly satisfying jobs are there? Would it be even possible for everyone to be able to do the job that made them happiest?

Simply the reward of future money can't be enough either. You have to buy into the belief that money is the reason you do something you normally would not want to. — schopenhauer1

Did you try asking people why they worked before asking this question?
I know of only one person that would do his job without being paid, but only when he had enough money in the bank and had no expenses to pay to be able to continue. Me, I love my job even though I get pissed of with the idiots I am expected to teach.

And that is the solution to the grind most people suffer from, get a job you love.

:up:

Wait for me.
No, that won't work. It will take me weeks to hitchhiker over there.

I'll buy one here and think of you guys there while I eat. :smile:

The title itself I simply rolled my eyes at and felt utter contempt at such expression. — Amity

But you could not resist coming to see what was happening could you. :brow:

You do not need any software to find your IP nor your physical location. Yes you said that the internet has been routed to disguise your IP, but once you are in contact with someone it can be tracked back through any system.
https://whatismyipaddress.com/

There are plenty of police departments that us farcebook and twatter, so i doubt that he would be given access to them or any other social media. Even if the blocked all of these possible sites and there are many of them, he could quite easily google lots of information about find his real IP.

Why would they want to give him a radio? Surely he would be able to listen to local stations and get ideas about where he was.

In all, I think it a rather unreal situation, might have to do some more thinking about it if you plan on writing about this.
Lock yourself up for a couple of days and see what you do to get out of the situation.

Just ignore it like most of the rest of us do. — Baden

Yeah, that's right. :wink:

Fair enough. I guess the old TPF always lacked containment boards. :confused: — Akanthinos

There was the un-modded section back at TPF, and that used to get some serious flaming going on it.

AAAAaahhhhhhhhhhhh. :rage:

OK then keep on posting.

Skulking back to the drawing boards for a new plan to rule the thread. :gasp:

I'll be back!

Bollocks, stop adding to this thread now.

Racism is nothing more than discrimination, I am part of the in group you are not, but on a larger scale. But it works from both sides equally.
Most of the time it is caused not by hatred as someone said but by ignorance. Hatred is caused by one group of people discriminating against another.
Many times the difference between the two groups is nothing more than the resources they possess, one group wanting what the other has can be a powerful motivator to hate someone. And it is even worse when the haves start to think that the havenots are coming to take away their possessions.

Think about it, what is the most discriminated racial group in the USA? What do people say about them? They are bring down the value of our neighborhood.
They want to steal our daughters.
You cannot leave your car outside without it being stolen.

They don't hate them for the color of their skin, they hate them because they think they are going to lose something.

It's the Lounge. That is all. — Baden

Yep, that is where you can sit around and watch people talk all kinds of shit. :cool:

Kids are taught to lie in school,
When someone says "Good morning, how are you today?" you will reply "I'm very well thank you"

My bosses get pissed of at me because I refuse to participate in the ritual of replying "excellent" when someone asks how I am. I have told them that 1) I am not a hypocrite and 2) I will not try to convince myself that I am excellent when I feel crappy as they seem to be trying to do.

People, including little kids, are being told that they should accept everyone as an equal without it being explained to them how that is possible when they are obviously nothing alike.

Boys and girls are not the same, even though common sense says they should be treated the same and have the same rights. Political correctness seems to want to go beyond common sense and eliminate any and all differences between them. I believe that this is one of the reasons why so many kids nowadays are confused about whether they are boys or girls.

There are lots of examples of political correctness causing people to lose instead of gain because some people are getting jobs they don't deserve just because of their color or religion.

One thing that is sure to happen is the death of comedy, no one will be able to tell jokes some without someone saying they are offended. Even slapstick will suffer because someone will claim that it is incorrect to laugh because they might actually hurt themselves when falling down even though they do it deliberately.

I've long subscribed to the notion that the source of human suffering is desire. — Wallows

I think that suffering comes more from not being able to fulfill one's desires than the desires themselves. Everyone has desires of some sort but not everyone suffers or is unhappy. The lack of capability or being prevented in some way from getting what you desire would make you sad and suffer.

Have you talked to the people at the local health or sanitary department, they usually people that inspect places and can order the landlord to either do something or close the places down.

What “game” would appeal to the majority of an adult audience? — I like sushi

I don't think one particular game would appeal to everyone.

What would be appealing to almost everyone, and is already making a great impact is virtual life.

Platforms like Second Life are gaining popularity world wide. As the speed and spread of the web increase so will membership to sites like this.

Eventually people will just slip into their virtual self and do whatever they like, esports included. It is not hard to imagine that one of today's kids would rather spend his day in a virtual reality while lying on his bed than having to get up and go to meet real people. Think about it, the teacher would be on line and he could go to school without getting dressed or putting on a uniform, he could do the exercise and class work while chewing gum, he would never be late handing in homework because he would do it online.

How many older people suffer from stress and anxiety because they have to run around trying to get their job done while looking after a family. In a virtual world, for people that do not do manual work, it would be so much easier to do things. And when they have problems with their partners or families they can retreat to the virtual family they have online.

This is not really possible right now but a lot of people do work from home using video conferences and the internet to receive and turn in their work. I believe that within a matter of a few years 3D conferences will take the place for meetings with the boss, not as a holographic like in the SciFi movies but in the online worlds.

To answer your question then, it would be the game of life.

Holy shit, S. Calm your tits down... Don't pick on @Noah Te Stroete. He be cool. — Wallows

Did you notice that HE never denied having tits? :gasp:
Maybe we should re-think what we have surmised about other members of the forum. :chin:

If anyone wants to give other examples of things they have seen or heard that might have promoted a narrative in this way, feel free. — wax

You do not need to go far to find examples nor do they have to be million dollar movies.

The Flintstones was supposed to be kids entertainment, but did you ever notice the topics?

Betty getting mad at Fred because she thought he was messing around with another woman.
Fred trying to be a snob to make Betty happy.
Troubles with the law and gangsters.
How ideal families should behave.

Lots and lots of conditioning for the tots.

Many animals have higher intelligence than they are given credit for normally, but who can tell exactly what type of intelligence it is.

Sea mammal can communicate between the members of their pods using sound, but no one is sure about how sophisticated that communication is.

Most birds have some sort of a navigation system that makes it possible to return to the same nesting place year after year. Some people think that it is nothing more than pattern recognition that lets them identify the places. But even that is incredible considering the distances some of them fly each year, how do they store and retrieve the memories?

Lots of dogs are capable of picking up things from their owners, like who they like and who to keep away from, But how they do this is unknown. It might be that they are capable of reading our body language or understanding the different tones of voice used to the different people the owner interacts with, or even that they do understand the words we used to a certain extent.

Our biggest problem is that we have not been able to learn their languages so we have no idea if they appear to be really intelligent some times or are capable of having higher thought levels most of the time.

If this is bullshit, then he is like a fly drawn towards it to feed on for sustenance. — S

No, actually I came to make fun of you.

Do you think that the trophy should be made of bronze? Or should we give it its real value and used recycled plastic trash?

:cool:

And to what, pray tell, are you referring? — Noah Te Stroete

That you have to work really fucking if you want to live a productive and purposeful life.

There were a few other things that she said that have been show to be true, but it was so long ago that I read her works that I don't remember. She is on the list of books to re-read when i have time.

(At least I'm aware of my lack of humbleness, and openly acknowledge it with self-depreciating humour). — S

But you are not smart enough to come up with something to say yourself, you have to quote another of your ilk.

Guy walks into the doctors office and tells him that his leg hurts really bad.
The doctor does a bunch of test and then tells the patient "There is nothing wrong with your leg, it is just its age."
"Dumbass doctor" the guy cries "they are both the same age and only one hurts"

Tell you what. Apply those principles of tolerance and less judgementalness to your interlocutors in future and karma may take a liking to you. — Baden

Not going to happen. :rofl:

Most of the animals around there at that time were considered too valuable to risk on work like that. Human lives had little worth and could be risked.

Oh by the way, she was right about at least one thing.

I suppose we're not allowed close this. :sad: — Baden

Can I nominate this thread for the best duet piece of bullshit on a philosophy form of the year award?

I have already done some research to find the ideal trophy.



This is perfect in how it represents the participation of the members. Always putting their feet in it.

I'm trying to show them the way out, but they just argue with me. — S

As a wise man once said,
"Follow me those that will, for I can lead you to the light"

No one followed because it was too dark to see where he was.

Maybe if you started by shining a light on the reasons they should follow you, they would.

Lots of people reach a point in philosophy when the effort is not worth the returns. Your ideas are ignored, your thoughts are laughed at and you feel like quitting.
Just remember something though, what you do in philosophy should be for your benefit. So make yourself better and screw the rest. :up:

:wink: If you say so.

Well yeah, the schadenfreude at your expense was quite satisfying, but it's odd that you got so much enjoyment out of it. — S

I enjoy seeing you get your knickers in a twist.

But please be a man for once and admit that you were off topic as much as me.

So it's you, and whoever you were discussing this with, who has gone off topic and taken the phrase out of context.

You were talking about gun control as well, so you went off topic. :worry: :sad:

Jesus. What a waste of time that was. — S

:lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl:

But I enjoyed it and that is what counts, at least for me.

I think the point is that the presence of the guns makes politeness both impossible and irrelevant. — Pattern-chaser

Have you ever found yourself in the position where you are being irritated and annoyed by a very slow driver doing 15mph on a narrow winding road, you are late already and this guy in front of you will not get out of the way.
You don't try to push him out of the way or over take in a dangerous manner do you? Why not? Fear. Fear stops you from doing these things. The same as many other things in life that you do not do.

You might say that you do not try to push him out of the way because you were taught to respect others, that maybe true, but I cannot imagine anyone in that situation just chugging along happily behind him. Almost everyone would be calling him nasty names and honking the horn, neither of which is respectful.

In the presence of the gun, you are constrained by fear of being shot (and maybe killed) to say whatever the gun-holder wants to hear. Politeness is something you do voluntarily, not for fear of your life. :worry: — Pattern-chaser

Fear of the law, fear of offending, fear of what others might think about us, fear of losing what we have and lots of others control our lives. Exactly how is that different from fear of a gun?

Being polite is something most people do out of habit, and not always voluntarily. Lots of people hate their bosses, their neighbors, their mother in laws but they are polite because it is convenient to do so.

You do realise that the evidence is on display in public, and that if you try to misrepresent, you risk being easily exposed? — S

The same applies to you.

In none of the posts I made along that line of discussion did I refer to gun control, for the simple reason that we were discussing armed societies being normal not gun control.
The only times I mentioned guns was to respond to your comment about wounds and that people might buy them for protection.
There was no change of topic, just parallel discussions. The same thing happened when I was talking to andrewk, separate discussion.

I wonder if you would have even looked at the list of references if I has not specifically mentioned them. And if would would care to take note, I posted the link as a reference to the UK being violent nothing about guns.
The fact that you continued to talk only about guns is your problem, but I have been talking about something else as well

Since you start out with the same kind of attitude that I was urging you to stop with I have no reason to continue wasting my time on your ego. You have been given answers and you refuse to stop using biases and fallacies. I went to this forum to get away from having to argue against populist rhetoric. — Christoffer

OK, I will be polite to you.
Please explain why the response I gave to your solution to gun crime is not worth talking about or irrelevant.

Thank you.