They shouldn't have been surprised. In his debate with Kamala Harris, he was asked if he wanted Ukraine to win the war. He refused to answer yes/no; he said he just wanted the war to be over.I expect the people in the U.S. are surprised at this turn of events, — Punshhh
I imagine it entails pattern recognition: seeing the same image pattern against a relatively constant background. Artificial neural networks learn patterns, and they are considerably simpler that biological neural networks because they lack neuroplasticity (the growing of new neurons and synapses).What does happen at the neural level when the infant realizes the object, and distinguishes it from the background? — MoK
Options that are before us lead us to mentally deliberate to develop a choice. If we could wind the clock back, could we actually have made a different choice? Clearly, if determinism is true, then we could not. But if determinism is false- why think our deliberation would have led to a different outcome? The same mental factors would have been in place.So I am wondering how can deterministic processes lead to the realization of options. — MoK
If you set the world back to just before the decision point, all the factors that led to the decision would still be present - even mental factors that may operate independently of the deterministic universe. I don't see how a different decission could ensue- unless it's due to some randomness. Randomness doesn't seem a reasonable basis for libertarian free will.In short, if you maintain that if you were to set the entire world state back to what it was before a decision (including every aspect of your mental being, your will, your agency), and then something different might happen... well, maybe something different might happen, but you can't attribute that difference to your will. — flannel jesus
Great! You at last agree that reductive physicalism is possible.But all these "laws of physics" are a consequence of the fundamental laws of strings. — Relativist
Correct. — MoK
Rewrite this while Incorporating the mind's "vertical causality.A stationary electron is a vibrating string, let's call this vibration V1. The string related to a moving electron has another vibration mode due to the motion of the electron, let's call this mode of vibration V2. The Mind experiences both vibrations of the string, V1 and V2, at time t0 and as a result, causes another string at time t1 at a position that is dictated by V2 while keeping V1 the same. The history of the string is held in the subjective time. Its future depends on V2 and the position of the string in the future. So the process of motion of the string is continuous. — MoK
OK, that gives a continuity for electrons consistent with a form of perdurantism. But that's a particle, a simple object. Now consider a complex organism, like MoK. There's not a fixed set of particles that comprise comprise you, so you can't base it on particle continuity. I suggest you accept perdurantism for this, instead of essentialism - it would be more consistent.Electrons are distinguishable to the Mind since each electron has a specific location in space. — MoK
This treats strings as fundamental, consistent with reductive physicalism.Within string theory, a string has infinite modes of vibration available. Each mode is related to specific particles and forces, in other words, to specific laws of nature. — MoK
But all these "laws of physics" are a consequence of the fundamental laws of strings.In string theory, any specific vibration of the string is related to a specific particle and force, hence specific laws of physics. — MoK
There is no particle-particle continuity. Each particle is brand new, with no history and no future.The act of causation is such that the new particle is created at time t1 in the vicinity of the former particle that exists at time t0 so continuity is preserved. — MoK
The duplication is such that the intrinsic properties of a particle are held. — MoK
Makes no sense. The particle at t0 has properties; this particle (with its properties) is annihilated a t1. A new particle exists at t1 that has the same properties, but it's not the same particle.Duplication is not the same thing as preservation.
— Relativist
The duplication is such that the intrinsic properties of a particle are held. — MoK
Neither of those posts define what constitutes an identity over time. For example, you said:, "I think that we are not the same person to some extent as yesterday since a part of us is subject to change."I discussed this in depth. You can find my explanation here and here. The brain is not identical in the different instant of time since the relational properties of its parts are changing all the time. — MoK
As I discussed above, string theory is consistent with reductive physicalismWhat does reductive physicalism have to do with string theory? — MoK
Rachel Maddow, fact-checking the liar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GanWPYhUq04 — tim wood
What accounts for this being possible? IMO, something must exist to account for non-actual possibilities. The alternative is to assume everything that is logically possible, is actually (metaphysically) possible.there are an infinite number of the laws of nature. — MoK
And I've explained multiple times that this entails an absence of continuity. Duplication is not the same thing as preservation.I have already explained this twice. The string's specific vibration mode defines the related particle's intrinsic properties. The Mind experiences this mode of vibration and, as a result, creates another copy of the string with the same mode of vibration at another point in space. Therefore, the intrinsic properties of the particle are preserved. — MoK
Either the Mind is making a choice, or it is random. Why call this object a "mind" if it isn't making choices?You assume a mind is choosing among the "choices".
— Relativist
I just said that the Mind experiences and causes. How did we end up with such a universe with these specific laws of physics? — MoK
Not if reductive physicalism is true. You deny this, but you still need to account for the contingency: what makes those other possibilities possible?string theory is only one theory among many other possible theories since in string theory one assumes that the fundamental entity is a string but that fundamental entity could have any geometrical form. — MoK
We all believe things that haven't been verified, so I don't think it's necessarily unreasonable to do so.does that accurately describe all people who believe anything that hasn’t been empirically/experientially verified yet? Are all such believers refusing to be reasonable? — Fire Ologist
Weird reaction. I was just describing the nature of faith: it's is incorrigible belief. Additional context is also relevant:no, he would assume he was being deceived because he "knows" Jesus was resurrected.
— Relativist
Oh my God. Faith sounds terrible!
Those people must be insufferable, just real douchers. — Fire Ologist
Some beliefs have emotional components, others don't. Most of us have no emotional attachment to the 4-color theorem or Goldbach's conjecture, and this makes us perfectly willing to reject such beliefs.Some who cannot change their belief, no matter what, is a problem for cognitive science to delve into, but I would say:
The belief is an emotional position, and emotions have a direct path into consciousness, sometimes firm and lasting, and at other times less so, bypassing rational logic. — PoeticUniverse
"Law of nature" = an aspect of physical reality; an aspect of the way the world actually is (whether we know it or not)I distinguished between the laws of nature (which are ontological) and laws of physics (epistemological; best guesses based on available data). Newton's law of gravity (which implied instantaneous action at a distance) is (or was) a law of physics - and was never a law of nature.
— Relativist
I don't understand your distinction between the laws of nature and the laws of physics here. — MoK
Therefore, as I said, properties are not "preserved", as you had said. Instead, they are duplicated. So you were wrong when you said: "The intrinsic properties are preserved by time"That universal mind is remembering the properties and creating them afresh. That is not an ontological preservation; it is a duplication.
— Relativist
Yes, it is a duplication. That is what I mean by causation/creation. — MoK
You just now came into existence, having been vertically caused by the Mind. There's a "you" that came into existence 1 minute ago, 5 days ago, and even one nanosecond ago. Nothing is preserved from one moment to the nextWhat am I? I am a person with a body and at least two minds — MoK
You assume a mind is choosing among the "choices".What I am trying to say here is that the laws of physics are not universal because there are an infinite number of different candidates available. — MoK
No. Rather, their faith would lead them to believe there's something wrong with the logical argument.Faith is more that just holding that something is true. Faith requires that one believe even in the face of adversity. Greater faith is had by those who believe despite the arguments and the evidence.
So those with the greatest faith would be the ones convinced by logical arguments that god does not exist, and yet who believe despite this. — Banno
That is a recent "red line" of Putin's, that Trump uncritically accepts. Go back a few years, and Putin expressed indifference to former USSR states joining NATO, including Ukraine.“Nyet means Nyet. Russia’s NATO enlargement Red Lines”. — NOS4A2
"Traditional" Republicans are anti-Russia, but they're pro-personal power. Trump's presence as President gives them power, but only if they support everything he does.I can understand Trump liking his ego stroked by Putin. But Russia seems an unlikely ally for any of the factions that make up Trumps power base (or pull his strings). It seems to me that Russia has little to offer to any political faction in the US. — Echarmion
The relationship between body and mind is primarily a methodological and not an ontological problem — Wolfgang
methodology is the most important discipline in the philosophy of mind. The focus is not on the ontological questions about the "essence" of the spirit or consciousness, but on the critical reflection of our methods of cognition and descriptions. A methodologically reflected philosophy of mind does not primarily investigate what consciousness "is", but how we grasp it, describe it and examine it. — Wolfgang
I distinguished between the laws of nature (which are ontological) and laws of physics (epistemological; best guesses based on available data). Newton's law of gravity (which implied instantaneous action at a distance) is (or was) a law of physics - and was never a law of nature.If you accept there are possible alternative laws of physics then it follows that our universe could be different therefore the laws of physics are not universal. — MoK
That universal mind is remembering the properties and creating them afresh. That is not an ontological preservation; it is a duplication.You're contradicting yourself again: perpetual creation of everything ex nihilo entails no preservation of properties.
— Relativist
It does since the act of causation is supported by experience. — MoK
This is inconsistent with your claim that the universal mind recreates your brain ex nihilo at every instant.Each morning that I wake up, I, my conscious mind, am feeded by several types of information from my subconscious mind. — MoK
Anselm, and everyone else who believes they can prove God's existence, "prove" only a generic sort of deity (in Anselm's case, based on "greatness"). None "prove" the Triune God of Christianity, which is the object of their faith. Still, I agree it's more rational than groundless faith (William Lane Craig coined the phrase "reasonable faith"). Where I think amateurs (i.e. people on forums like this one, but more so on apologetic forums) go wrong is to treat their arguments as unarguably sound, and are resistant to understanding why those arguments are unpersuasive.If you asked Anselm "why do you believe God exists?" he should say, "I don't believe God exists, I know God exists and I can prove it to you." He should say this, because he was trying to convince others of, in his estimation, a logical conclusion based on evidence.
So, hopefully recognizing my general spirit of agreement with the basic point of the OP, I think you guys are throwing the baby of belief out with the bathwater of faith, or at least Banno is more expressly. And to all of our detriment. — Fire Ologist
In many cases, the arguments aren't fallacious, per se. They are usually possibly sound, but as I pointed out to someone recently- God's existence is possible (not provably impossible) even without an argument. A possibly sound argument doesn't make it any more plausible, or epistemically probable.proselytizing on this platform by "believers" runs rampant in the constant defense of fallacious arguments. — DifferentiatingEgg
You're sidestepping the issue. You need to explain to what extent you are the same person, and how you account for this, given that MoK begins to exist ex nihilo at every instant of time., I think that we are not the same person to some extent as yesterday since a part of us is subject to change — MoK
You believe in ontological emergence, which I deny. Ontological emergence is contrary to the Principle of Sufficient Reason. The PSR entails reductive physicalism. Reductive physicalism entails a fundamental basis for the laws of physics, and all possible alternative laws of physics.The TOE would be the fundamental law.
— Relativist
No, as I explained there is no such thing as universal/fundamental laws. — MoK
You're contradicting yourself again: perpetual creation of everything ex nihilo entails no preservation of properties.Let's consider an electron, for example. An electron has some intrinsic properties, such as mass, spin, and charge, and some extrinsic properties, such as location. The intrinsic properties are preserved by time — MoK
Under a theory of everything (TOE), the hypothetical different forces and particles would be local manifestations of that TOE. The TOE would be the fundamental law.he theory of everything is not universal though since we know from string theory that the laws of physics are one instance among many many other instances. Our universe could be a different universe in the sense that there could be different forces and particles. — MoK
No, I'm talking about personal identity over time. It appears you deny that you are the same person you were yesterday.I think you are talking about personality here. — MoK
Over the years, Putin has showered Trump with complements (e.g. "an intelligent and experienced politician", "He behaved, in my opinion, in a very correct way, courageously, like a real man"), and in January said, "“I couldn't disagree with him that if he had been president, if they hadn't stolen victory from him in 2020, the crisis that emerged in Ukraine in 2022 could have been avoided."He appears to genuinely believe Putin respects him as some kind of great leader, hence he's willing to take Putin's side — Echarmion
Correct, it's not identical, but there is a causal relation between consecutive temporal parts. No other object in spacetime has this unique series of temporal parts.I discussed my view (perdurance) earlier. Here's an article in the Stanford encyclopedia of Philosophy.
— Relativist
Accepting that the the brain is made of parts then we say that brain A is identical to brain B IFF their parts have the same intrinsical and relational properties. In this sense, the brain at t0 is not identical to the brain at t1 since the relational properties of the parts of the brain are subject to change all the time. — MoK
Laws of physics do not necessarily correspond to the actual laws of nature. They can be localized instances of actual law - compare Newton's law of gravity to general relativity.The laws of physics to the best of our understanding are not universal. — MoK
Not knowing what the actual laws of nature ARE, does not imply there aren't actual, immutable laws of nature underlying everything. The sought-after "theory of everything" depends on it.We still don't know, the proper theory that explains our world — MoK
I discussed my view (perdurance) earlier. Here's an article in the Stanford encyclopedia of Philosophy.you need to tell me what you mean by identity — MoK
Because they instantiate universals. Laws are relations among universals. (See: this).Could you answer why the physical obeys the laws of nature? — MoK
This seems to be saying time entails an order, but it doesn't answer my question. Is time an existent? Is it a relation? Is it a property?Consider a change in the state of something, X to Y, where X and Y are two states that define the change. X and Y cannot lay on the same point since otherwise these states occur simultaneously and there cannot be any change. Therefore, X and Y must lay on different points of a variable, let's call these points tx and ty. ty, however, comes after tx to allow X to come after Y. This variable is called subjective time. — MoK
I didn't ask about intrinsic properties being preserved, I asked about how identity is preserved. It's relevant to your first premise:In regards to the OP, I don't need to discuss how the intrinsic properties of the physical are preserved. — MoK
I'm a law-realist: I believe laws of nature exist, and these account for causation. You have not suggested the brain is unique, so I infer that all causation is of the same nature: the mind creates all objects anew at each instant of time. If so, then there are no laws of nature - there's just the practices of this mind. If I'm right, that you deny the existence of actual laws of nature, then that is yet another reason for me to reject your claims.I also don't need to discuss the laws of nature here. — MoK
This depends on a specific ontology of time. My view is that time is a relation between events; it is not an existent. Only existents change, and they can only change if there's some object that persists across time that CAN change.P1) The subjective time exists and changes since there is a change in physical — MoK
- how you account for identity over time: what makes you the same person your were yesterday. — Relativist
Off-topic. I will however answer that later when we agree on the OP. — MoK
You seem to be suggesting that all causation is accounted for by the mind. There are no laws of nature, just the action of an unchanging mind. I wonder how an unchanging (inert) entity experiences anything - it can't learn, it can't react. This is more consistent with a B-theory of time (block time), but you say you're a presentist.- how the mind fits into your general account of causation. — Relativist
I already explained that in the case of the Mind. — MoK