Yeah you can't even tl;dr about it, you have to be sassy like a teenage girl except you lend extra words towards the exact same mechanic. Lol, "unenlightened". I'm not falling for it for a second. You think you're enlightened and also think that to be righteous you have to pretend you're not what you think you are. So many layers of pretension. Fuck this forum. Ban me. I'm done.

EDIT: Although apparently belligerence is okay when it's conducted with your passive-aggressive flavor, so maybe in order to post on this forum I should learn to be bitchy and indirect like you are? Thanks for the education.

Did someone just delete my post? Yeah well fuck you guys too. Pretentious asshats.

How do we become moral people? We become moral because, as children, we fear punishment.

I don't believe that at all. That just means you're playing a part, you're not actually moral if you pretend to be because you think someone might smack you around or stick you in a cell for the rest of your life if you break the rules. That's how you end up with repressed idiots who abuse their children and then they also become repressed idiots too.

I grew up as someone (maybe what you would call a "sociopath") who subverted the attempts of all authorities at limiting my will when it was not reasonable. However, that does not make me immoral. I had since made many decisions in my life that harmed others, and what made me feel that I had been wrong was empathy. I felt guilt not because I imagined prior punishments, but because I knew for a fact that I wanted the world in general to be better than what I had done to the people in question, and that by doing what I had done, I had only set back someone's trajectory in a way that no one should rightfully have to experience, because I believe that everyone is entitled to growth so long as it is not at the expense of others.

The child fears the loss of the parents' love, so it anxiously complies with demands to behave properly.

Also funny, because when my parents withdrew their love in order to manipulate me I disregarded them. Damn, this making sociopaths look really fucking sane.

Not gonna lie, I'm extremely emotionally charged by your response. But I know that I shouldn't voice that here, so respond at your leisure if you want to.