That projected gist is continually revised as we bump up against fragments that don't gel with it. — j0e

I like his vibe. — j0e

Your use of the preposition "forward" implies progress. — Bitter Crank

It seems to me that what they are actually doing is just stumbling, possibly stumbling in circles. — Bitter Crank

But they normally do so gradually and by following use, not by dictat determining use. — Isaac

I can't think of a reason to simply assume all such requests are about gendered language. — Isaac

I haven't done it and just avoid using pronouns or stick with they/them since it's the most neutral.

Indeed, you might. But by advocating such a response for others too... — Isaac

We used to just get along and accept that not every aspect of the world can be tailored to our individual preference. — Isaac

...the nature of the law and its operation. — Ciceronianus the White

You presumably don't comply with any and all of your student's requests, just out of civility and respect do you? You deem some requests to be reasonable and others not. — Isaac

Old English hit, neuter nominative and accusative of third person singular pronoun, from Proto-Germanic demonstrative base *khi- (source also of Old Frisian hit, Dutch het, Gothic hita "it"), from PIE *ko- "this" (see he). Used in place of any neuter noun, hence, as gender faded in Middle English, it took on the meaning "thing or animal spoken about before." — https://www.etymonline.com/word/it

The issue is whether the discomfort is well-justified. with 'she' (instead of he), or some new term like Xe, it's very hard to make a case that they would reasonably make anyone uncomfortable since they're words with either harmless of absent connotations. — Isaac

Call them what you like — fishfry

In my view there's always at least a slight risk in dismissing an ambiguous other. — j0e

Something we haven't taken account of is the possibility of creatively misreading thinkers. While in general I think we do want to grasp what they really thought, this is not the only reason to read (we aren't just biographers of their interior.) — j0e

...surely you are also aware of the anti-intellectualism that seizes on this kind of statement. — j0e

Who's unsimple in the bad way? — j0e

Reading lots of thinkers is something one does over a lifetime. — j0e

But imagine a fanboy of X who's just stuck in the charisma and perspective of a few thinkers. — j0e

IMV, it's the clash of perspectives that sophisticates the mind. — j0e

In philosophy the race goes to the one who can run slowest—the one who crosses the finish line last. — Wittgenstein

My sentences are all supposed to be read slowly. I really want my copious punctuation marks to slow down the speed of reading. Because I should like to be read slowly. (As I myself read.) — Wittgenstein

So what you seem to be concluding is that they were aware of a problem. I just think that there awareness was different, on a subtle level. They did not have Darwin, Galileo and Wikipedia to assist them with information like we do. We can find words like panpsychism to express our ideas, so it is probably more about understanding basic worldviews which were so different from our own. — Jack Cummins

What is striking about these early attempts to formulate an integrated theory of reality is that the mind and particularly consciousness keep arising as special problems. It is sometimes said that the mind-body problem is not an ancient philosophical worry (see Matson 1966), but it does seem that the problem of consciousness was vexing philosophers 2500 years ago, and in a form redolent of contemporary worries.

Work on philosophy -- like work in architecture in many respects -- is really more work on oneself. On one's own conception. On how one sees things. (And what one expects of them.) (CV, 24) — Wittgenstein

I'd say the same thing about philosophy. Any philosophy geek can give a list of their favorite books, but the main thing is to read lots of books — j0e

Our treasure lies in the beehive of our knowledge. We are perpetually on the way thither, being by nature winged insects and honey gatherers of the mind. — Nietzsche

Of all that is written, I love only what a person hath written with his blood. Write with blood, and thou wilt find that blood is spirit.
It is no easy task to understand unfamiliar blood; I hate the reading idlers.
He who knoweth the reader, doeth nothing more for the reader. Another century of readers—and spirit itself will stink.
Every one being allowed to learn to read, ruineth in the long run not only writing but also thinking.
Once spirit was God, then it became man, and now it even becometh populace.
He that writeth in blood and proverbs doth not want to be read, but learnt by heart. — Nietzsche

Ok, I'll do some more reading. — frank

I assume by “we” and “us” you mean philosophers. — Todd Martin

“epistemologically” — Todd Martin

But the difference between him and other men is that he learns they are only shadows—shadows which give us access to the truth—whereas they believe the shadows are the real things and are passionately committed to that belief. — Todd Martin

He's taking aim at the Tracticus, right? — frank

So Witt wasn't talking about speech acts. He was talking about something in the range of things discussed in that SEP article. — frank

A key passage in OC is a quote from Goethe's Faust:

"In the beginning was the deed." (OC 402)

This is expanded upon:

"But that means I want to conceive it as something that lies beyond being justified or
unjustified; as it were, as something animal." (OC 359)

"I want to regard man here as an animal; as a primitive being to which one grants instinct but
not ratiocination. As a creature in a primitive state. Any logic good enough for a primitive means of
communication needs no apology from us. Language did not emerge from some kind of
ratiocination. " (OC 475)

Language games are an extension of man's acting in the world. Primitive hinges are pre-linguistic. They are not language games, they are an essential part of the form of life in which language games come to play a part. It is not that they cannot be doubted, it is simply that they are not. — Fooloso4

A mistake that is frequently made is to treat hinges as if they are all the same. There are propositional hinges and pre-linguistic hinges. Empirical hinges and mathematical hinges. — Fooloso4

We move away from the belief in supernatural beings. — Athena

Would you say that the word 'proposition' is being used in this thread the same way Witt used it? — frank

Plato set the bar for knowledge very high. — Wayfarer

As I see it, hinge propositions are inventions and therefore knowable without reference to the world. They are true by definition and therefore exempt from doubt. — RussellA

Suppose language game A including the hinge proposition "the earth existed before I was born" was replaced at a later time by language game B including the hinge proposition ""the earth did not exist before I was born". As hinge propositions are true by definition, true without reference to the world and exempt from doubt, the previous hinge proposition "the earth existed before I was born" remains true. — RussellA

This is a court of law, young man, not a court of justice."
--O.W. Holmes, Jr., speaking from the bench during court proceeding. — Ciceronianus the White

Were you ever familiar with that site? — Todd Martin

all the way back at least to a Barry Goldwater speech — Todd Martin

This is all of a piece with his teaching that philosophy is a very personal, as opposed to political, undertaking.. — Todd Martin

Bloom admonishes us, though the philosopher is psychologically outside the cave, he always remains physically within it — Todd Martin

Division after philosophical revolution seems to be a given — Todd Martin

we cannot say that the hinge propositions of any particular language game are beyond doubt.
— Metaphysician Undercover

I agree - as Grayling wrote in section III "As OC stands, it stands defeated" — RussellA

...thinkers like Leo Strauss who charge Nietzsche with being an "historicist" rather than someone who recognizes the "discovery of nature." — Valentinus

I imagine it's partly mimicking speech ... — frank

... before understanding much of it .. — frank