I completely accept that the Palestinians have suffered - and I have sympathy for that, but they've also inflicted suffering, and have done so to resist political compromise solutions. The zero sum Arab solution is, and always has been the eradication of Israel. Is that what you want too? — counterpunch

The facts of the matter remain that the one state that is actually carrying out a program of genocide, ethnic cleansing, and pogroms is Israel. Not as a matter of what they "intend", but as a matter of what has happened, and is continuing to happen. As such, the call is to put a stop to that actual happening. If the history is complex, - and it is - this is where it has led. And that 'where' is as simple as it can be. The numbers speak for themselves, no matter how many copy and paste URLs @Andrew4Handel iterates:

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*These numbers being already far out of date.

This is asymmetrical terrorism carried out by a state which is exclusively responsible for the continued perpetuation of violence and misery in the region.

I am well aware of the history. What it translates to in the present day is, as Brooks put it, a sheer asymmetry of power that is being unilaterally exercised by a brutal apartheid regime for the sake of settler colonialism. It's that simple.

Meanwhile, shunted in the middle of budget frenzy:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/13/new-law-allows-australian-government-to-indefinitely-detain-refugees-with-criminal-convictions

"Human rights groups – and parliament’s own human rights committee – say a new law pushed through parliament gives the government the power to indefinitely detain refugees, potentially for the rest of their lives. ... The law allows for the government, where it had cancelled the visa of a refugee but could not send them back to their country of origin because they would face persecution there, to detain them indefinitely. ...
The new law also gives the minister a broad unchallengeable power to withdraw a person’s refugee status recognition – declaring they can be returned to the country they fled."

Despicable bastards.

You can have this discussion via PM.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/how-israels-gaza-conflict-allowed-pm-benjamin-netanyahu-to-stay-in-power/news-story/1e120717b08d880494e5ce42cd52b6b9

"Less than a week ago, Netanyahu’s career was on the rocks... A diverse collection of competing political parties finally found something to agree upon: the controversial PM’s time was up. And opposing politicians were just days away from agreeing on a new coalition.

Then came forced evictions of Israeli Arabs. Then ultra-Orthodox parades through holy sites began shouting “death to Arabs”. Then Israeli police stormed Al Aqsa mosque. Now, the leader of a right-wing party pivotal to the challenge on Netanyahu’s power – and the man tipped to take the top job – has declared the move to be “off the table”.

Why? Naftali Bennett’s Yamina (New Right) party supports Jewish-Israeli settlements within territories allocated to Palestine under a 1948 UN mandate. But his unlikely coalition of Netanyahu opponents included an Islamist Arab-Israeli party. And the sudden surge in civil unrest has made such an alliance untenable."

Imagine supporting war crimes so some corrupt politician can retain his hold on power, all the while bleating about Hamas while Israel murders children in real time.

Are you done defending genocide or do you have like another three posts to froth out the side of your mouth?

You're very bad at this.

I cited sources, but again, I realize your illiteracy continues to get the best of you.

So you can arbitrarily accuse anyone of of genocide. — Andrew4Handel

Well yes but in this case I am accusing a state that is committing genocide of genocide.

I am interested in the Jews and Israel. — Andrew4Handel

Yeah something about your posts gave that away.

Feel free to say the word genocide a thousand more times. — Andrew4Handel

I will. Hopefully the more normalized it is, the more people will recognize Israeli genocide for what it is.

You have not defended the authority of international law so fake apologies for me ridiculing it. — Andrew4Handel

You asked me 'who makes decisions' and I gave you an answer. I happen to agree with those decisions, because they coincide with helping to stem the Israeli genocide of Palestinians.

I'd rather have a Jewish Israeli like that than the two-faced bullshit where they pretend to want peace (I'm looking at Likud for starters). — Benkei

I agree. I do think the kind of sentiment expressed in the video is widespread, but most are simply too savvy to come right out and say it. It's why these expressions ought to be publicized when and where they can. It's so easy to find:

Since when has any international body prevented genocide? — Andrew4Handel

Well insofar as Israel is ignoring international law and committing genocide, you're right that it's not particularly effective at the moment. Nor alot of other moments. Nonetheless, it's on the right side of recognizing that Israeli settler colonialism is a project that is terroristic through and through.

Who made you the person who decides what belongs whom? — Andrew4Handel

I'm not the one deciding on anything - at this point I'm simply deferring to international law.

And in any case this appeal to abstraction 'what really is anything anyway?' is disingenuous. The fact of the matter is that Israeli settler colonialism is a project of terrorism, insofar as it consists of forced displacement along with the upholding and maintenance of consistent conditions of misery upon Palestinian people.

Israeli terrorists simply admitting to stealing land.

How can you steal something from someone that doesn't belong to them? — Andrew4Handel

Palestinian land belongs to Palestinians. And by every metric outside of Israeli settler colonialist fanaticism, the theft of that land is illegal.

Wonder, you're just a username to me. I barely know anything about you, and I don't read most of what you write. Nothing personal - I don't read the majority of what people write on the forum. I think you might need to take a mental break from it. If you would like to chat about this further, PM me, as I'd rather not have this thread be derailed.

I don't know what you are talking about.

What differentiates them from other Arabs? — Andrew4Handel

The same thing that distinguishes any people belonging to a geographical area - the fact that they have lived there, and that the land which Israel is stealing from them is theirs.

Your desperation is showing, mate. All the better for anyone who can see it in full flight.

Palestinians Are not Arabs? — Andrew4Handel

I didn't say they are not Arabs, I said they are not interchangeable with any Arabs. Although I realize your illiteracy sometimes gets in the way of reading properly.

And those whole shtick about conflating criticism of Israeli terrorism with anti-semitism is a sad joke now. It doesn't work any more, sadly for you. Israeli terrorism has been laid bare for all to see. It's time of avoiding accountability for its crimes because it and you can cry 'anti-semitism' as a reflex is over.

By killing two hundred out of population of Millions — Andrew4Handel

Palestinians are not just interchangeable with any Arabs, although I can see why this kind of racist talking point is peddled by genocide deniers like you. And of course Israel contains 'Arabs', all of whom exist as 5th class citizens and treated as animals of a barely higher order than those who lands Israel unleashes their terrorism upon, day after day.

In what sense do the Israelis have this plan? — BitconnectCarlos

The plan is mostly in the pudding - which includes, but is not limited to, the codified racism of Israeli law, the widespread demolition of homes, the forced displacement of families, the destruction of olive groves, the illegal blockade of Palestinian territory, continued extrajudical killings (not to speak of maiming), hundreds of checkpoints that restrict freedom of movement, arbitrary detentions, use of torture, the continued committing of war crimes (for all to see), and lots more. You can of course, read about it yourself -from the HRW report into apartheid conditions, or else the latest Amnesty report, among others.

Israeli state terrorism is well documented, and their treatment of Palestinians like animals can be seen pretty much everywhere one cares to look.

Blaming Israel for a Palestinian having 14 children whilst living in a cave has got nothing to do with eugenics. — Andrew4Handel

OK fascist.

It is land dispute — Andrew4Handel

A 'dispute' in which one power is subjecting an entire population to destitution so as to steal their land and destroy their means of living at all points.

You apparently think all the problems in the region are only caused by the Jews. — Andrew4Handel

No, I think the problems of Palestinians being genocided are being caused by the Israeli state which is doing the genocide.

You should also cite an argument straight out of Mein Kampf about overpopulation too, because that is totally not the calling card of fascists.

Was that a genocide in your book? — Andrew4Handel

For the third time in this thread:

More often [genocide] refers to a coordinated plan aimed at destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups so that these groups wither and die like plants that have suffered a blight. The end may be accomplished by the forced disintegration of political and social institutions, of the culture of the people, of their language, their national feelings and their religion. It may be accomplished by wiping out all basis of personal security, liberty, health and dignity. When these means fail the machine gun can always be utilized as a last resort. Genocide is directed against a national group as an entity and the attack on individuals is only secondary to the annihilation of the national group to which they belong.

— Raphael Lemkin

A description which is indistinguishable from Israeli crimes against humanity currently perpetrated on the Palestinian population.

Well 6 millions Jews were killed so that makes it OK if Israel commits a little genocide in turn as a treat.

There's no possibility that Hamas is deliberately eliciting violent reprisals so as to mobilize world opinion against Israel, is there? Would they ever do such a thing? — Wayfarer

Say they were. What then? Does this say anything about Israeli war crimes?

A: No.

How'd I do? — fishfry

Exactly as expected.

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2021/05/16/New-Israeli-airstrikes-on-Gaza-destroy-roads-leading-to-key-hospital-treating-injured

181 dead, 52 children.

Roads to the major hospital bombed.

Israeli terrorism continues unabated.

Wonder who will write paragraphs of thought experiments justifying this? Probably a moral black hole of a human being - or three.

Andrew is the best thing to happen to this thread.

You are the argument. Thank you.

Keep posting, please. Your posts here are a better argument for the insanity of support for Israel than anything I could ever offer, ever. Big props.

I like this guy ^ . He's a parody and is great entertainment value. 5/5 would laugh at then ignore again.

Judaka is the biggest snowflake on the whole board. He exists to tone police and gatekeep. That's it, that's the substance of his contributions. If he makes it three posts without saying 'virtue singalling' he will literally keel over and die.

Hey its your cash, happy to have you part with it for genocide.

Plenty of posters here - Streetlight, 180, among others refuse to accept Israel's right to exist. — BitconnectCarlos

Interesting how the opposition to Israeli genocide is translated by you as a denial of its right to exist. Is the implication that Israel's existence is premised on genocide?

He wants to materially contribute to it.

Israel's president on Wednesday [the 5/5] chose Yair Lapid, a centrist politician and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's strongest rival, to try to form a new government, but his path to success was still uncertain. Israel's longest serving leader, Netanyahu, 71, has been fighting to hold onto office through four inconclusive elections since 2019 and corruption allegations that he denies. ... Appearing to hold out hope he could still stay in power, Netanyahu appealed to ultranationalist Naftali Bennett to join him and form a "solid right-wing bloc" controlling 59 seats in parliament, a number still short of a majority.An embrace by Bennett, of the Yamina party, would persuade other right-wing legislators currently pledged to Lapid cross back, Netanyahu said in remarks following Lapid's nomination.

A 28-day mandate to put together a coalition ran out at midnight after Netanyahu failed to agree terms with potential right-wing partners, opening the way for Rivlin to assign the task to another member of parliament. ... Five of the Joint Arab List's six legislators threw their support behind Lapid in a letter the party sent to Rivlin on Wednesday, backing which the president noted in his speech. Failure to break the deadlock would lead to a new election, adding to political turmoil while Israel faces challenges from Iran's nuclear programme and pursues economic recovery after a swift rollout of COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahus-deadline-form-government-expires-rivals-eyed-2021-05-04/

'Defenders' of Israeli genocide here are Yahu's pawns in his own ploy of power.

This is absolutely party politics being played out at the expense of Palestinian lives and the deadly acceleration of geopolitical instability. It is maddening - but predictable - that no one is talking about this.