But if you, or anyone, promotes terrorism here (so far you've equivocated), you'll still be banned in a shot and don't even think we're going to indulge any more of you playing the victim. — Baden

I support terrorism.

Long live Zohra Drif.

What you can do is make meaning out out of your life.

It’s one of the things you have control over. You can chose any direction you like. There is absurdity in life but probably not the way you see it. In a way you’ve started waking up to a few things, but there’s a lot more to come. You might be pleasantly surprised about what you find. Just keep taking one step at a time, you’ll get there.

@NOS4A2 Oops you set him off.

Edit: see, you can say whatever you like if you’re innocent.

No flair for drama? — praxis

Probably.

I think I understand now why people move to the right. This has been quite enlightening.

Edit: to be more accurate, you move so far to the left that they’re now on the right.

So, to summarise. I don’t have a sense of humour, I’m boring, I’m extreme right and I support terrorism.

Edit: this isn’t a philosophy forum, it’s an old ladies clarevoyent club.

I’m not obliged to explain this to you. — Xtrix

Explain what?

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Won’t be bullied into condemning violence. — Xtrix

Was that a slip of the tongue? Bring out the rack and thumbscrews!

Yes, you have. — Xtrix

You keep saying that, so show me.

rather than explicitly condemn the actions outright, offer nothing but qualifications and excuses. — Xtrix

I haven’t done that either.

I have no doubt you believe you’re simply seeking the truth. — Xtrix

I’m not seeking the truth. I’m resisting you.

Thing about the extreme right — Baden

So now I’m the extreme right. This has escalated fast.

I’m not obliged to tell you what my politics are. You seem to have missed the point of “The Crucible”

No, no, no. You don’t get away with that sleight of hand. I was talking about Baden’s attitude to posters, not the rioters.

Still haven’t seen any evidence of me defending or promoting domestic terrorism on this forum.

Just like Trump the Capitol Building rioters have exposed who you really are.

If these people want a civil war, they’ve got it. It’s their funeral. — Xtrix

Oh you hero.

But if you, or anyone, promotes terrorism here (so far you've equivocated), you'll still be banned in a shot and don't even think we're going to indulge any more of you playing the victim. — Baden

I haven’t promoted it.

Just condemn them. Go on. — Baden

“The Crucible” by Arthur Miller

“ The second reason that Scene 5 is pivotal is because Abigail exerts her power and begins her quest to obtain Proctor. Unsurprisingly, Tituba confesses to witchcraft when the townspeople threaten her with physical violence. She is a black female slave, an individual without any power. She cannot hope to defend herself against Abigail's accusations, even though she and Abigail both know that Abigail is lying. The fact that Tituba confesses to witchcraft and then implicates Sarah Good and Goody Osburn reveals that Tituba listens very well and values her life. In order to preserve her own life, Tituba takes cues from her interrogators and tells them what they want to hear. Hale's response to Tituba's confession prompts Abigail's own sudden admission of guilt.

Declaring witchcraft becomes the popular thing to do. It grants an individual instant status and recognition within Salem, which translates into power. Abigail realizes that she can achieve immediate respect and authority by declaring that she has consorted with the Devil but now seeks redemption. Abigail's manipulation of the circumstances demonstrates her keen sense of self-preservation, as well as a unique understanding of the blind ignorance of others. Abigail knows that the townspeople will view her as an expert witness. The fact that Hale believes her sets her far apart from the other people in Salem. The people forget Abigail's questionable reputation and now consider her an instrument of God. https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/c/the-crucible/summary-and-analysis/act-i-scene-5

What’s happened to you Baden? You were so reasonable once. Now you’ve become an alley dog along with @StreetlightX and @Xtrix

did you reply with:
The one thing all politicians fear: the people asserting themselves
— Brett — Baden

Because it’s true.

I had to make it clear to Tobias and now you because you interpret it the way that suits you.

Here’s the original use of “the people”


↪Tobias

Obviously the people. These people shook up the system. I don’t have to like them to see that.
— Brett

But what is 'the people' in this case. I always get itchy when 'the people' are mentioned, because it is usually an appropriation by a small group who claims to represent them,
— Tobias


You’ve taken that line out of context. The line was in response to frank who asked whose side I was on.

Who's side are you on?
— frank

Obviously the people. These people shook up the system. I don’t have to like them to see that.
— Brett

By the people I mean:

Left or right it’s the people against a heartless system.
— Brett

You’re playing games.

on the side" — Baden

What’s that from?

Still not support. Come on, you can do better than this.

Taken out of context. And that’s not support anyway.

Show me posts where I supported terrorists.

Fuck off and die. — Baden

Well I guess it’s all over for the forum then if this is how the administrator behaves.

:clap:

When I look back at the OPs I’ve put up in the past I can see genuine debate going on. There was still the push back on occasions but it wasn't so vituperative as it is now. Also, Biden would occasionally chip in with some comment to straighten out poor philosophy. Poor OPs were often moved to the lounge and posters were reminded of the quality in writing an OP that was expected. There was more personal input and management from Baden.

I think the problems this forum is facing can be solved pretty easily.

First of all it’s a philosophy forum, not a social justice forum. So any subject should be able to be raised and discussed without rabid, sanctimonious pushback.

On the Trump OP I once asked Michael why the aggressive and accusatory attitudes of so many were accepted in posts and he said that a political OP was a different sort of OP than others. Well look what it’s led to. A lot of those attitudes have flooded over as standard into other OPs. So I think the mods have let everyone down. Just look at my OP on leftist domination. The posts have gone way off topic and there’s no comment from the mods.

People like StreetlightX should be given a number of warnings about personal attacks then they’re suspended for a time. In fact StreetlightX should not be a mod. He’s intelligent but he regularly resorts to personal attacks and derails conversations. There’s a few others who do the same. They have to be managed.

A lot of the OPs have become pretty lame and yet they’re allowed. So standards aren’t being set.

My OP about leftist domination was not that they disagreed with me but how they went about it, and they responded to my OP in the same way again and were ignored by the mods.

Ironically, in light of the poll, it appears we cannot have total freedom without some sort of regulation. Otherwise we get anarchy, which is where we’re going now.

When I look back at the OPs I’ve put up in the past I can see genuine debate going on. There was still the push back on occasions but it wasn't so vituperative as it is now. Also, Biden would occasionally chip in with some comment to straighten out poor philosophy. Poor OPs were often moved to the lounge and posters were reminded of the quality in writing an OP that was expected. There was more personal input and management from Baden.

I think the problems this forum is facing can be solved pretty easily.

First of all it’s a philosophy forum, not a social justice forum. So any subject should be able to be raised and discussed without rabid, sanctimonious pushback.

On the Trump OP I once asked Michael why the aggressive and accusatory attitudes of so many were accepted in posts and he said that a political OP was a different sort of OP than others. Well look what it’s led to. A lot of those attitudes have flooded over as standard into other OPs. So I think the mods have let everyone down. Just look at my OP on leftist domination. The posts have gone way off topic and there’s no comment from the mods.

People like StreetlightX should be given a number of warnings about personal attacks then they’re suspended for a time. In fact StreetlightX should not be a mod. He’s intelligent but he regularly resorts to personal attacks and derails conversations. There’s a few others who do the same. They have to be managed.

A lot of the OPs have become pretty lame and yet they’re allowed. So standards aren’t being set.

My OP about leftist domination was not that they disagreed with me but how they went about it, and they responded to my OP in the same way again and were ignored by the mods.

Ironically, in light of the poll, it appears we cannot have total freedom without some sort of regulation. Otherwise we get anarchy, which is where we’re going now.

One more for good measure.

Yes, politicians should get right behind destroying any
semblance of democracy while worms like you sit on the sidelines smiling about it. — Baden

One more for good measure.

Yes, politicians should get right behind destroying any semblance of democracy while worms like you sit on the sidelines smiling about it. — Baden

All those Cunts needed mowing down, including their ringleader — The Opposite

You're like, a bit dull aren't you? — StreetlightX

You're a traitor to this country. There's nothing left to say about you. Disgusting, and utterly pathetic. You can't die off quickly enough. — Xtrix

Can you explain that?
— Brett

I could, but I won't — Maw

What a shocker. Please drop dead. — Xtrix

I heard antifa fucked your girlfriend
— Maw — Xtrix

Which makes you even more of a cancer. — Xtrix

With the number of racists and fascists on the site atm, I'm worried you think I was being serious.
— Kenosha Kid — Baden

I'm getting tired of your selective sensitivity. It wasn't there when it was black people doing much less worse stuff than killing police officers. Don't pretend to be rational when you're stinking of bias. — Baden

Just nice to know you’re not fooling anyone with this act, probably not even your self. Your hypocrisy and pro-Trump bias is obvious. — Xtrix

Go rest your head Brett. — Xtrix

Drop the act of being objective or truly interested in any way. Just jump right to the complete rationalization of what happened yesterday. Spare yourself the mental gymnastics.
— Xtrix — Brett

Still don't understand the rationale of having a user on this site who repeatedly cites and parrots nefarious lies of radical rightwing publications, and then acts like he never believed in it to begin with when he's called out on it, or just ignores it entirely and moves on to the next fabrication to waste everyone's time with. — Maw

No you fuck, you don't get to make shit up and ask to be proven wrong. — StreetlightX

Really, don't worry your pretty head about it. If you really can't figure it out, I don't want your brain to fry from over-exertion. — StreetlightX

A point people like you also conveniently ignore in favor of licking the asses of your corporate masters. — Xtrix

No one needs to respond to your made-up bullshit with actual figures other than to point out the fact that you're making shit up. — StreetlightX

People like Brett really think this is character creation in D&D or something. 10 points to charisma! -4 to humility! Fucking larping rubbish. — StreetlightX

But that's neither here nor there, given that making shit up based on lazy preconceptions is a shit way to argue. — StreetlightX

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing its the fact that you fabricated shit out of thin air and expect anyone to put in any effort to take that shit seriously. — StreetlightX

No, I'm not engaging with shit you pulled out of your arse other than to call it out for having been pulled out of your arse. — StreetlightX

No you fuck, you don't get to make shit up and ask to be proven wrong. — StreetlightX

Really, don't worry your pretty head about it. If you really can't figure it out, I don't want your brain to fry from over-exertion. — StreetlightX

A point people like you also conveniently ignore in favor of licking the asses of your corporate masters. — Xtrix

No one needs to respond to your made-up bullshit with actual figures other than to point out the fact that you're making shit up. — StreetlightX

People like Brett really think this is character creation in D&D or something. 10 points to charisma! -4 to humility! Fucking larping rubbish. — StreetlightX

But that's neither here nor there, given that making shit up based on lazy preconceptions is a shit way to argue. — StreetlightX

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing its the fact that you fabricated shit out of thin air and expect anyone to put in any effort to take that shit seriously. — StreetlightX

No, I'm not engaging with shit you pulled out of your arse other than to call it out for having been pulled out of your arse. — StreetlightX

The voice of tolerance.

I pointed out a woman died. So, no. She happened to be a Trump supporter. You and NOS think you've achieved something. That's who you are. Live with it. — Baden

I wouldn't mind dogpiling on the motherfucker. — hypericin

All those Cunts needed mowing down, including their ringleader — The Opposite

You're like, a bit dull aren't you? — StreetlightX

You're a traitor to this country. There's nothing left to say about you. Disgusting, and utterly pathetic. You can't die off quickly enough. — Xtrix

Can you explain that?
— Brett

I could, but I won't — Maw

What a shocker. Please drop dead. — Xtrix

I heard antifa fucked your girlfriend
— Maw — Xtrix

Which makes you even more of a cancer. — Xtrix

With the number of racists and fascists on the site atm, I'm worried you think I was being serious.
— Kenosha Kid — Baden

I'm getting tired of your selective sensitivity. It wasn't there when it was black people doing much less worse stuff than killing police officers. Don't pretend to be rational when you're stinking of bias. — Baden

Just nice to know you’re not fooling anyone with this act, probably not even your self. Your hypocrisy and pro-Trump bias is obvious. — Xtrix

Go rest your head Brett. — Xtrix

Drop the act of being objective or truly interested in any way. Just jump right to the complete rationalization of what happened yesterday. Spare yourself the mental gymnastics.
— Xtrix — Brett

Still don't understand the rationale of having a user on this site who repeatedly cites and parrots nefarious lies of radical rightwing publications, and then acts like he never believed in it to begin with when he's called out on it, or just ignores it entirely and moves on to the next fabrication to waste everyone's time with. — Maw

No you fuck, you don't get to make shit up and ask to be proven wrong. — StreetlightX

Really, don't worry your pretty head about it. If you really can't figure it out, I don't want your brain to fry from over-exertion. — StreetlightX

A point people like you also conveniently ignore in favor of licking the asses of your corporate masters. — Xtrix

No one needs to respond to your made-up bullshit with actual figures other than to point out the fact that you're making shit up. — StreetlightX

People like Brett really think this is character creation in D&D or something. 10 points to charisma! -4 to humility! Fucking larping rubbish. — StreetlightX

But that's neither here nor there, given that making shit up based on lazy preconceptions is a shit way to argue. — StreetlightX

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing its the fact that you fabricated shit out of thin air and expect anyone to put in any effort to take that shit seriously. — StreetlightX

No, I'm not engaging with shit you pulled out of your arse other than to call it out for having been pulled out of your arse. — StreetlightX

Read again the context of what I was saying. — BitconnectCarlos

Sorry, I didn’t pick up the tone. I was actually a bit confused on the basis of other posts you’d made.

Letter to America: Don’t give up.