yup, it's as cut and dry as anything
— Merkwurdichliebe

No, it isn’t. [...]
ignoring what’s clear as day. — Mikie

Yes it's clear as day that its cut and dry. Don't be so pissy

i stand corrected, i suppose stupidity is an excuse in this case.

yup, it's as cut and dry as anything...they both committed the same crime of illegally possessing classified documents while not actively serving as president...all despite the circumstances before or afterwards.

If the same crime was committed by anyone on this thread, they'd be in a cell right now. The double standard of these anti-Trumpsters is pathetic. I say we lock both of them up.

Given that Biden's team, after discovering them, notified the Government and returned them willingly, there's not much of a comparison. Like with the case of Hillary's email server, all he's really guilty of is carelessness. — Michael

If only carelessness was a reasonable defense for a criminal act...criminals would be nearly nonexistent.

I'm highlighting the most important difference between the two and why they aren't the same. — Benkei

That is not the most important difference.

The most important difference is that Trump was president when he took his classified documents, whereas Biden was vice president when he took his. The fact is, they both illegally possessed classified documents when not serving as president, all regardless of whether it was done by intention or mishandling. It also does not matter what they did after discovery of the crimes... the crime is the same in both cases: illegally possessing classified documents.

what they did after getting caught is an entire different issue. The fact is both Biden and Trump commited the same crime: illegally keeping classified documents. Moreover, a criminal is not exonerated for a crime simply for turning himself in, but he might receive a reduced sentence.

There is no amount of rhetorical acrobatics that you could possibly do to change the fact that the crime is the same in both cases. You should be ashamed of yourself for holding such an inconsistent double-standard.

I saw dozens of TPF users wailing and whining about Trump's criminality. Biden commits the same crime and all I hear are crickets. Where are you now? . Very very very disgraceful and cowardly.

To be fair, I've seen one or two TPF users attempt to make up some bullshit to excuse Biden, very very very shameful and dishonest.

Not just they; all of you. Faith in deities, faith in science, faith in humanity, faith in Good... all the same. — Vera Mont

Not the same. those are qualitatively different modes of faith.

I would prefer higher quality content. Who wouldn’t? It is what is … a ‘stepping stone’, at best, onto other things, a pool of boredom and squalor at worst.

I learnt before joining this forum that it would serve mainly as a place to hone my writing and reading in a more critical way. That is all. — I like sushi

I resemble this. I will admit, with all it's flaws, tpf is the best site that a thinker can test his ideas on others who are, more or less, philosophically minded. But if a person really wants to improve his philosophical acumen, he would undoubtedly resort to the source material of the greats, hence a "stepping stone".

To get speculative...Ive seen the toll presidency has on a person (bush, Obama &c.) Biden is obviously senile. Do you think Biden can survive a hostile congress?, could Harris be the first female president?

Isaac Your just a troll, Isaac. — ssu

That is a very insensitive thing to say you fucking biggot... the proper term is internet provocateur (provocateuse for females)

Ahhh shit... this whole Russai-Ukraine thing is getting old fast. I say let Europe burn.

Belief in King Dollar is strong. Doesn't erode in a week. — ssu

It's only King? I thought it was the Almighty. Times change I suppose. And it never takes a week, it takes a goddamn prolonged international communist conspiracy that saps our precious bodily fluids :rofl:

It's stronger if you put "God" in front of it. — frank

What's wrong with God? Blnd faith is what makes the world go round

Greatest work of philosophy ever. I completely disagree with it.

Biden just forgave thousands of my student debt. Thanks Biden and Harris! — Cobra

Yippee! I hope you become the next Ceasar



You're both correct. The damn has been erroding for decades. However we have always had, and continue to have, the means to maintain and reinforce the damn. The fact is, we have continually reinstated nitwits into office for the the past few decades...what else could we expect?

Indeed, that's one way to look at it, but running with a diagrammatic approach I can also see a spectrum with 100% objectivity at one end and 100% subjectivity at the other and a continuum in between. Agree/disagree? — Agent Smith

The continuum suggests degrees of each, whereas I see each as absolute. In my humble opinion, when the objective and subjective coincide, whatever is subjective continues to be subjective, and viceversa. But I am a philosopher, so I am hoping to have my mind changed by a wiser Philosopher. Let's begin dialectically by discerning the most obvious middle ground. What is an example of something that is 50% objective and 50% subjective? Perhaps its the human being. Whatever the case, only then will we better be able to visualize a potential continuum between the objective-subjective. Or we could becom some of those monist suckers if we so wish to sound very stupid.

Why, may I ask? — Agent Smith

Things are either subjective, objective, or both objrctive/subjective. There are not degrees of objectivity/subjectivity that would lend to some kind of steadily ordered gradation between the less and more objective/subjective.

. I'd be equally happy with each person having their acre (or return to common land) and then if you don't want a job, you can grow your own food, build your own house etc. I — Isaac

Terrible idea. Not all land is equal. Nor is human capability. I'd prefer a capabale individual tending to valuable land over the state issued bum, in all cases.

Humans don't have a random set of objectives and desires. — Isaac

Except those that do. They are the trailblazers of human progress. And they are usually hated by the norm.

Yes, together we can do more and we can create a better reality and that is what democracy is about. Hum, what philosophers might I read to have a better understanding of working together? — Athena

Certain philosophers from Socrates to Nietzsche explained the gross deficienies of democracy, while the more collectivist philosophers like Hegel and Marx potrayed it as the salvation of mankind.

Meantime the rich and powerful who are actually, fully to blame, can get on with enjoying their wealth, power and status whilst the majority suffer. — universeness

That is the history of the world and the future of humanity until its extinction, good luck changing it without fueling the fire.

Socialist? Humanist? Capitalist sycophant? The questions that make the difference are.
1. Who are you?
2. What do you want?
I am a socialist, a humanist, and I damn the nefarious rich and powerful to destruction.
I want economic parity for all humans, from cradle to grave.

"Economic parity for all" is the biggest pipe dream in human history. However, I think you and I would agree that the playing field could be leveled a bit. A guaranteed nice standard of living for the working girl would be a nice start. But as long as we continue to elect these treasonous cowards (left and right), we get what we deserve

Unfortunately, in my opinion, you seem borderline psychotic concerning these issues. I'll tell you from experience, I thought very similar ideas in the past, until I realized it was merely a recipe for my personal misery. I didn't like it so I changed my tune. I have no advise other than to say be happy and make your life good, stop worrying about things outside of your direct control. I say this all as a friend.

Sounds reasonable. Does that imply "possible" is not the opposite of "impossible"? — Luke

I would say these are not an example of "opposition" but "negation". A dynamic between the "necessary" and "possibile" would be more of an oppositional relation.

"The future's uncertain
And the end is always near"
~JDM

What is the tension between the certain and uncertain in philosophical understanding?
"Only in uncertainty
are we naked
and alive"
~PG — 180 Proof

No "back to the future" quotes... :down:

Known knowns are a minute subset of known unknowns which are an infiniesmal subset of unknown unknowns. –180 Proof's Law — 180 Proof

I usually disagree with you, but this is right on! :smile:

(Subject)ivity vs. (Object)ivity. The meanings of these two concepts are evident when you study their etymology, oui mon ami? The former is of the subject viz. you, me, us and the latter is of the object viz. the thing that's under examination. — Agent Smith

More like a ven diagram than a spectrum

As a side... why would you say:

To the extent that the individual's belief system is false — creativesoul

Then tell me:

Belief need not be judged to be either true or false. — creativesoul

???

True and false belief existed in its entirety prior to our awareness of it. — creativesoul

Did it? Please explain, what would that look like? Can you give me an example of its existing in its entirety prior to our awareness of it?

Standard of truth?

What's that? — creativesoul

A standard of truth is any criterion that determines whether something is true or false. Empiricism for example: I must see it to believe it... if I can't see it, then it is false.

Frequently, it isn't the owning but the acquiring that creates satisfaction. That can become a vicious circle. — Pantagruel

I believe that is why genghis khan was so prolific.

any nobody — unenlightened

That is my favorite term of 2022.

Wittgenstein “On Certainty”

286. What we believe depends on what we learn. We all believe that it isn't possible to get to the moon; but there might be people who believe that that is possible and that it sometimes happens. We say: these people do not know a lot that we know. And, let them be never so sure of their belief - they are wrong and we know it. If we compare our system of knowledge with theirs then theirs is evidently the poorer one by far. (23.9.50) — perhaps

Wittgenstein was one. Looks like we got another moon landing denier here. :nerd:

To What Extent is Human Judgment Distorted and Flawed?

To the extent that the individual's belief system is false. — creativesoul

Then the question becomes: What determines the standard of truth by which an individual's belief is judged?

I always say: whatever popular opinion, the truth is likely the opposite.

Where do you live where streetwalkers can afford an outfit like that? — praxis

You would be surprised at the amount a good pimp will pay for clothes for his hoes.

You’re simply describing the way things are … if she was to devote her time to eating less hotdogs and going for some excercise … in 6 months time you’d pay for an hour of her company… — Deus

Never. I doubt she could crack the 300 barrier with diey and exercise alone. Behemoths like that require major surgery to slim down to a healthy weight.

And she plays a mean flute. — Deus

That is always a plus in my book. Nevertheless, she is still a vomitous specimen to look at in that hooker costume.

I think the topic here is over thought.

It ain’t over till the fat lady sings. — Deus

It's hard enough to take this seriously without half-baked jokes being thrown into the mix. — praxis

The only thing serious about this spectacle is how horribly offended my eyeballs have become after seeing such a disgusting whale wearing a hooker costume.

If it’s serving then why is Trump grumpy about it? — praxis

Trump is not the system, it doesn't serve him. It's my opinion that, unlike every other president, he does not serve the system, which is why people either love him or hate him.

both political parties are guilty. — javi2541997

:up:

So the press should be firmly regulated by the government? — praxis

No need. . . It already serves the system willingly. :mask:

nice! Jordan Peterson is great

And if we look at our closest cousins, the bonobos and chimpanzees — Moliere

Your cousins are apes? Strange

I have heard the New Age is a total change of consciousness and those who come of age in the New Age will not be able to relate to our brutal past. — Athena

If this new age actually comes to pass, let's not fool ourselves, it will supply just as much brutality as the old age, only the justification for it will change. Mark my words.

Just a reminder that Trump has been lying about the election for nearly two years and provoked an insurrection.

The quicker they put this degenerate crook in prison, the better. — Xtrix

Has to be proven...never will happen

Our best hope is a re-emergence of a respectable emnical international power. Nothing would be healthier for the world than a qualified foreign nation to attack the US. It is the only thing outside of the prospect of a civil war that will unite the country. Its fucked up times