Infinite Regression - ssu
Pi is a number, but doesn't come into existence until calculated. It is the product of an equation. Absent the equation or at least prior to the existence of the equation it is just set of numbers without meaning. And even if it could be argued that Pi is infinite, you still have to begin it with 3. So while you could debate its existence with or without the equation, you still have to begin by writing 3, and even the equation goes through a dividing process that results in the first divide being 3. In the end it is a representation of infinity, but has a very clear beginning.
- Terrapin Station
The reference to 'nothing' meant that nothing came before the Big Bang was one of the possible choices, making the Big Bang the thing that is infinite. Whatever you arrive at, if nothing came before it, that thing is infinite. Even if we try to characterize what came before the Big Bang as 'nothing' that nothing is something, a void of white or darkness or just 'nothing' but that inself is a characteristic making it infinite, because it had to be. Essentially, everything comes from something, except that which was there at the beginning.
- fishfry
Using the integers as a example though, they cannot be shown as infinite, only represented to be infinite. Meaning to show their infinity you must first write one down on the page. Think of it as a road that goes on toward infinity to the left and right. In walking up to the road you can see the represention of its infinity but the road had to be built before it became infinite. The integers are the same as the road.