Climate change, together with the Anthropocene extinction, is the Tragedy of the Commons writ large. [...] — Banno

the absurd statement “knowing makes no difference to what is known.” — PessimisticIdealism

Yes you can miss existents, and that's the point of one of my objections. — Metaphysician Undercover

Fundamental particles are supposed to be existents, and I don't encounter them ever. — Metaphysician Undercover

There may also be all sorts of other existents which human beings haven't encountered, and may not even be encounterable to us. It is a mistake to define "existents", as things which are evident to me, or even to us. — Metaphysician Undercover

3) Process. The question arises if things are existent that require a length of time, that in less than which time they do not exist. But processes clearly exist, so it would appear that things exist within some bounds that do not exist outside of those bounds. I think that's interesting. — tim wood

• spatial - objects (left-right, top-bottom, front-back, where)
• temporal - processes / events / occurrences (starts-ends, comes-goes, when)

5) self and others. I think those have got to be ideas/mental constructs. — tim wood

Don't we need a definition of what it means to "exist" before we can proceed with an inquiry like this? — Metaphysician Undercover

It was Meinongianism I was thinking of. — Mark Dennis

[...] It could be God or his messenger/prophet ( :rofl: ) or Descartes' demon. I sincerely hope it's not the latter. To think of it even the former possibility is laden with difficulties. — TheMadFool

Give me a time Machine, a cigarette lighter, a pressurised can of flammable liquid, a gun and a hoard of modern Anti biotics and I have the power to be perceived as a god in much of the past so long as I keep everyone in the past ignorant of how I am performing these “Miracles”. — Mark Dennis

3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Magic! — Wayfarer

aware of your ignorance — OmniscientNihilist

don't know — Opening post

fine tuning — Wayfarer

π was created and fine-tuned so we can have circles?

The point is that there is far greater likelihood of the magnitude of billions to one — Wayfarer

This world is the best of them. — frank

we all know what true is — Banno

I view consciousness as metaphysical necessity — 3017amen

In other words, consciousness and its primacy is required or needed to understand (apprehend) all forms of necessity and necessary truths, right? — 3017amen

necessary consciousness (some people say necessary Being) — 3017amen

outside of or not bound by time — Wayfarer

An object is abstract (if and) only if it is causally inefficacious. — https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/abstract-objects/

time is unparsimoniously multiplied, perhaps adding ("orthogonal") temporal dimensions. — jorndoe

strictly speaking 'the transcendent' doesn't exist, as 'existence' is what 'the transcendent' is transcendent in respect to — Wayfarer

Yet another mystery... — 3017amen

I will demonstrate [...] using logical inference [...] Deity — 3017amen

Tick tock tick tock — 3017amen

the proverbial ‘truth-seeker’ — Wayfarer

but there is also an enormous amount of common ground, particularly amongst the mystics of the higher religions — Wayfarer

Note well: 'some people don't and it cannot be helped'. — Wayfarer

You appear to be arguing for old Protestantism. You even referenced one of the old bits of Protestant dogma: that the papacy is Antichrist.

Did you become a Lutheran or something? — frank

  RELIGION, n.  A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the
  nature of the Unknowable.
      "What is your religion my son?" inquired the Archbishop of Rheims.
      "Pardon, monseigneur," replied Rochebriant; "I am ashamed of it."
      "Then why do you not become an atheist?"
      "Impossible!  I should be ashamed of atheism."
      "In that case, monsieur, you should join the Protestants."

The Church of the Weed — PoeticUniverse

It is a peculiar habit of God's that when he wishes to reveal himself to mankind, he will communicate only with a single person. The rest of mankind must learn the truth from that person and thus purchase their knowledge of the divine at the cost of subordination to another human being, who is eventually replaced by a human institution, so that the divine remains under other people's control. — Patricia Crone (commenting on Islam and the like)

The God of the ancient philosophers is an abstract object; he has all the reality of the square root of 16. This so-called God is not alive. He is beyond time and change, not the Ancient of Days but the Eternal One. The God of the philosophers is passionless, incapable of being moved to hot anger and tears by the human condition. He is serene and untroubled. The God of the philosophers knows everything about the future; he can't interact with human beings as free creatures on whom the as yet open future in part depends. The God of the philosophers is simple; there is no depth or complexity in his personality. As an abstract object, he is captured in the nets of our philosophical theories. He has his prominent place in our neat and rationally explicable scheme of things. We know what he's like and he is basically predictable. The God of the philosophers, the God of much of the theological tradition, is a creature of the human mind and, as such, is ultimately in our control. — http://home.nwciowa.edu/wacome/gbgp.htm

I get the idea of the kind of folks you’re expressing your view too. Should we listen? :) — I like sushi

That's the definitive piece, isn't it? — Serving Zion

(Matthew 7:15, John 18:37, Matthew 18:20, 2 Peter 2:1-2, 2 Timothy 3:5-7) — Serving Zion

Do you take this really important information directly from Socrates? — Noble Dust

I think you could answer this question perfectly easily yourself. — bert1

Is that the thrust of it? — Wayfarer

Same reason why we don't take your word for it that God doesn't exist! — 3017amen

Which are still from humans saying something as if it is true. — PoeticUniverse

not to be taken seriously — alcontali