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  • What is Wisdom?
    (the cancer as I view it would be the formation of an idealism)Mayor of Simpleton

    I'm young and hairless, so let me try. Cancer destroying what? Idealism opposing what? To what end? I'm so profound.
  • What is Wisdom?
    One of the people of the "old days of PF"... who also was banned for getting folks to come to this refuge when the PF ship sailed adrift to crash on the rocks, but hey... it was something to do.Mayor of Simpleton

    You're true colors come out! You're no-one, and yet, you're oh so crucial to the existence of this forum.

    Per the debate at hand about wisdom, fuck off.

    Per the existence of this forum itself, thank you.

    Now, what do you think about wisdom? Give me something new.
  • What is Wisdom?
    Don't get me involved.TimeLine

    Edit: Of course I have to get you involved; you love the attention!

    I gave you low hanging fruit, and you swung for the nuts. I still know I fucked up, and I still know you fucked up too. Whatever.

    Nevertheless! I think the word wisdom is merely an old word that attempts to describe emotional intelligence but has since become victim to a quality narcissists like to add to their repertoire to give an air of legitimacy in their judgements of others.TimeLine

    Do you have examples/evidence?

    It is to have common sense - which as Voltaire perfectly said is not so common - and an ability to regulate the inner self along with an outer life (professional, interpersonal) and to transcend societal constructs to be capable of studying the world objectively.TimeLine

    So what's the point of studying the world objectively (and what does that mean, btw?) and what is the point of regulating the inner self, along with an outer life? Denote the wisdom, exactly, in those things.

    I didn't actually call on you for wisdom; I just called on you for an example of me being an idiot. But, again, you went for the nuts. Nice job. Your input is, of course, just as valid, providing it's actually wise. And, no, I haven't found much wisdom so far. So you're doing just great, @TimeLine
  • What is Wisdom?


    I think I agree. But what I'm not sure about is changing definitions. When words change meaning...what? What is happening?
  • What is Wisdom?
    I don't really know either.

    We seem to be living in a day and age of the professionally offended, so I supose you'd have to consult others... probably the one's who'd possibly take offence.

    Believe me there are quite a few "hash tag" groups out there who'd be more than happy to tell you just how offended they are about everything that simply does not conform to the filter of their own personal comfort.
    Mayor of Simpleton

    I get it, I get it, it's impossible to offend you. You're an incredible castle all your own. You're clearly a relic from "the old PF days". I lay my dues before you and bow.

    But you don't want that, do you? The minute I offer that to you, you'll "meow", and come up with a clever response. I respect that. I don't understand it's use, but I respect it...I guess.

    But, the minute I offer that bow, you'll laugh it off.

    Wait, do we have any philosophical disagreement? I can't tell; I got so rapped up in this whole wonderful game.
  • What is Wisdom?


    It's always a party when I start a thread brah.
  • What is Wisdom?


    This whole thread exists to stir the non-existent wisdom pot. :rofl: Let me help. What say you, @Sapientia?

    Which should, arguably, be now changed to ‘homo faber’ - ‘man who makes’, as distinct from ‘wise’, as wisdom seems a scarcity in an age defined so much by engineering and science.Wayfarer

    What's your thought on how language functions within time, versus over time? So man used to be saptientia; now it's homo sapeins. The language changes, and what? What else changes, exactly?
  • What is Wisdom?


    I'm not sure if I've detected any wisdom yet (and what would I know?) But I like jokes; especially jokes that don't demean other people. I like jokes that elevate other people to places they don't yet encompass.

    Do your jokes demean other people at all? I can't tell; you seem to be on the brink of loving jab and demeaning jab.
  • What is Wisdom?


    Not pissed at all, but greatly amused!

    Meow!

    M
  • What is Wisdom?
    btw... exactly what am I the "mayor" of?Mayor of Simpleton

    You're the mayor of whatever you say you are.

    Meow!

    M

    I tend to regard metaphysics to actually imply "MEphysics", as in... all things considered the entire universe and all the happening within the universe are simply all about me.Mayor of Simpleton

    Yet they're not about The Mayor Of Simpleton, right?

    I believe I'd refer to it as a hand picked hermetically sealed worldview where one starts with the central answers then subsequently forming questions in respect to these pre-assumed central answers; thus creating the illusion of critical thinking.Mayor of Simpleton

    To begin with answers is incrediblly simple; indeed, only a simpleton would begin with answers.

    But I can tell you're not the simpleton you claim to be. Nice job!

    (it's posts like these that makes me wonder if it is wise of me to post much of anything any more? :wink: )Mayor of Simpleton

    Indeed, I wonder that too; would it be wiser for you to abstain from these discussions?

    Meow!

    M
  • What is Wisdom?


    Posty, you're not an idiot. I'm an idiot, if anything. You are very pure in your philosophical enquiry, whereas my own enquiry has a perverse color to it; I mean that. I'm interested in truth to an unhealthy degree. So, those feels you feel are right, within your own self. Feel them. Disagree with me. Breath out.
  • What is Wisdom?


    "who decides these things after all" is a corollary to this thread, isn't it? I don't know who decides these things, other than idiots like us.
  • What is Wisdom?
    "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." (1 Corinthians 1:19-20)

    Which would be nice if it doesn't then go on to juxtapose this with the Wisdom of God.
    StreetlightX

    It can also be interpreted as the wisdom of STLX. Who knows?
  • What is Wisdom?
    And you expect something other than folly? I don't believe you.unenlightened

    I don't believe you either. Or, rather, I do.
  • What is Wisdom?
    Does that make me narcissistic?
    — Noble Dust

    I have far too small of a sample size to make any decision.
    Mayor of Simpleton

    Strange quote to choose out of our exchange so far!

    Again, I'm an idiot. Ask @TimeLine or @StreetlightX for evidence.
  • What is Wisdom?


    Greg is @Mayor of Simpleton, yeah?

    Accumulation of knowledge... that's definitely something. What is knowledge? Accumulation seems obvious.
  • On reason and emotions.


    As long as the emotional/intuitive precedes the rational, then we're in agreement.
  • What is Wisdom?


    You seem to be covering all your bases, so I don't know. What do you think wisdom is?
  • What is Wisdom?


    Yes, because I asked "What is wisdom?"
  • What is Wisdom?
    I tend not to post much anymore, as I consider that to be the "wiser choice",Mayor of Simpleton

    Same here! I find that when I open my mouth, un-wise things come out. I've made a fool of myself here more than once.

    Wisdom can mean quite a few things, such as the accumulated knowledge over many year (of course... forgetting to define what is "knowledge" and how many years is supposed to be "many years"), the ability to seek clearly and quickly the inner relationships between varous factors (a rather vague notion at best) or (even worse) the teachings of ancient men... back when things were simple and less stressful (as if). :roll:Mayor of Simpleton

    So you don't know what wisdom is, it sounds like?

    If one goes about with the self-attributed notion of being wise or having wisdom this might well be the indication of a strong narcissistic personality disorder. (more than not this is someone who has something to sell)Mayor of Simpleton

    I don't know what wisdom is, but I know that you and I don't have it. Does that make me narcissistic? I really don't care.
  • What is Wisdom?


    I don't think you can. But maturity is often misunderstood. What do you think, Posty?
  • On reason and emotions.


    "I don't know" is my performative utterance. That's an emotional statement, not a reasonable one.
  • What is Wisdom?


    Philosophy, "the love of wisdom", has strong religious connotations? Now I'm starting to agree with you...
  • What is Wisdom?


    If "wisdom" = "thought redused to platitudes and ready-made issuances", then I agree.

    But, you're defining wisdom in this way, by degrees. That's a bizarre definition of wisdom, and also an awesome use of Duchamp's "ready-made".
  • What is Wisdom?


    Because philosophy means "the love of wisdom"? Seem's lamely prosaic.
  • What is Wisdom?


    Idk. Are you bringing up God because I mentioned Sunday school?
  • On reason and emotions.


    :roll: Right, Witty said language is use, so now we don't know who is saying what in what way, because we don't know how people are using language. That's...one of those "games people play". Is my use of that language sufficiently clear?
  • On reason and emotions.
    It's not as if our mind has a reason/passion dichotomy working within it in some sort of factual sense. It's just a useful set of categories for many situations -- but reason is motivated by passion, and passion is curtailed by reason.Moliere

    :up: But too bad this isn't the general zeitgeist of philosophy/politics, etc. As posty mentions,

    I would like to also add, that, what I call a false dichotomy between emotions and reason runs very deep and is even ingrained in linguistic analysis. The law of excluded middle seems to be rife when talking about the two.Posty McPostface

    Thankfully, everyone here, regardless of whether they realize it, are making emotionally charged rational arguments. Or maybe not thankfully. It would probably be better if this was more widely acknowledged.

    Reason needs a home, and home needs to a reason to exist.
  • Beautiful Things


    Reading back through your post...I don't mean to say that I don't think it's possible to "like" or have a pleasing aesthetic experience without a deeply personal experience. I may have reacted too strongly, initially. There's stuff I like that isn't deeply personal. Here's a track that my co-workers have recently turned me on to. Is it profound? No. I like it, though. But I have no personal connection to it. Is that what you're referring to? Edit: what do I like about that track? Hooks. Great hooks. Are hooks philosophically useful? Who knows?
  • Beautiful Things
    Get you closer to what you said you "don't fully get". To me it doesn't seem much different than say music.Πετροκότσυφας

    I envy the fact that music and architecture seem close to you. Music is a world to me; architecture is a foreign entity that I like, but don't understand. I file dance, for instance under the same heading. It doesn't mean I haven't encountered structures or dances that have moved me; I have. But they're foreign. If anything, as a composer, I should "get" dance, but I absolutely don't. All Iget is music, literature, and plastic art (to a lesser extent). Speaking broadly, with exceptions.

    There are musical structures, kinds of melodies, rythms etc, that I find beautiful or pleasing, without them being "connected to personal experiences and specific life scenarios". In many cases, it is their pleasing nature that leads me to connect them with personal experiences that enhance my appreciation for them. The opposite can happen too.Πετροκότσυφας

    Hmmm. I know for a fact (via self-reflection, because I'm a hopeless nerd when it comes to music) that the music I love the most is connected deeply with my personal experiences and specific life scenarios. For instance, I've posted this piece several times on the forum. I could literally write a dissertation on why this piece means so much to me on a personal level. Steve was a drummer first and foremost...me too! He didn't like the 12-tone guys...same here. He wanted to re-introduce beauty into music. Same! Turns out, as a kid, I was exposed to a "Noah's Ark" short film that was soundtracked by Stewart Copeland, which, looking back, was heavily influenced by Reich, and even this specific movement of this piece. Deeply personal? That's an understatement.



    My point being...for me, personal experience always dictates my perception of aesthetics. What does that mean philosophically? I don't know. All I know is that aesthetics is not universal.

    I don't know, it might be the case that my aesthetic appreciation for such features (either musical or spatial) is based on personal experiences and life events, so the latter always precede, but if that's so, it's too subtle to notice.Πετροκότσυφας

    That's the thing, I don't think it's too subtle to notice; or, per my own selfish perspective, for me, it's not too subtle. Noticing the personal aesthetic is intuitive. That doesn't mean it's not universal.
  • Beautiful Things


    Eh, sounds like you're romanticizing us. We're not all that. Midwesterners just have a chip on their shoulder. That's the legitimate stereotype.
  • Beautiful Things


    Noted. I'm not sure anyone's ideas will or wont' "get me closer to getting it" (getting what?), but I'll look into it.
  • Beautiful Things


    Eh it's really not, I'm just genuinely interested in other people's aesthetic interests; I'm a terrible person otherwise.
  • Beautiful Things
    It was nothing special to look at but it is a part of me.Bitter Crank

    I think I feel the same thing, maybe, at least to some extent. I'm working on the finishing touches of an album that uses some architectural aspects of the house I grew up in as a jumping-off point for metaphorical content. That's something architectural that I seem to get.

    I love large structures too, like the bridge above, for their structural features out of which comes a beauty.Bitter Crank

    See, this to me is really the meat of it. It's just that love you have for large structures; you see it as a beauty. That's fascinating to me. I don't "not" get it, but I don't fully get it, either.

    Well, that's all right. You don't have to find architecture fascinating.Bitter Crank

    Yes, I know, I'm just trying to suss out what makes it fascinating to you. Because your fascination is fascinating to me. I'm always fascinated by the fascinations of others that don't fascinate me. EDIT: the fascinations being the things that don't fascinate me, not the "others". Tried to make that poetic and failed.
  • Should a proposal to eliminate men from society be allowed on the forum


    Yet she's the only one that will tell you just how level-headed she is.
  • Should a proposal to eliminate men from society be allowed on the forum
    You of all people should know that I am very level-headed on controversial subjectsTimeLine

    I lol'ed
  • Beautiful Things


    All y'alls love for architecture is strange to me. I like certain structures, but the ones I like are more connected to personal experiences and specific life scenarios. Is that not the case for you all? For instance, I still love many different views in NYC because they remind me of when I first visited, and subsequently first moved here. But it's not an objective aesthetic standard; it's deeply personal, and architecture otherwise isn't something I'm drawn to. And back in my hometown in the midwest, the house I grew up in in which my parents still live is deeply beautiful to me, but for obvious reasons. Likewise, every time I drive past a Swenson's when I'm back home, my heart flutters a little.

    Really, it's just that I have a hard time being objective or rational with something like architecture, because I find a lot of architecture oppressive rather than aesthetic. Is that just because I grew up in the midwest??