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  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    It's quite possible (even probable) that your emotional response to exposed torsos led you to view it as indecent and (if carried to far) immoral--rather than morals being the reason for your emotional response. — Bitter Crank
    Okay, how is this possible if I have no emotional response at all to exposed torsos, especially for man? Growing up this was a VERY common sight for me. There's no emotional reaction. I still think it's wrong.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    The man informs you that his robes are at the cleaners. He shrugs and continues walking.

    "Would you like to play again?"     — VagabondSpectre
    Yes, and your retarded man clearly has only one pair of robes...

    All I really want is even one well founded and useful rule that is persuasive to me — VagabondSpectre
    That is persuasive to you I cannot guarantee, but that there are reasons for holding such a belief, that I can provide you.

    and how long before we stop caring and mystifying/immoralizing/obsessing over genitalia as a society due to our steady over-exposure? — VagabondSpectre
    We will always care about it because people are born with a sense of decency, that has to be then overcome through education.

    Isn't that somewhat wholesome? — VagabondSpectre
    No.

    indecency = attempt to be sexually provocative. — VagabondSpectre
    Yes, you can add to that attempt to show off.

    By defining indecency as an attempt to be sexually provocative (rather than instances of individuals actually being sexually provoked (to avoid the ankle dilemma?)) you have essentially shoved your subjective (and perhaps religious reasons) into this one odd postulate that I will attempt to convince you is flawed. — VagabondSpectre
    I see no attempt in your post so far, so hopefully I expect to see this in some future post.

    Well, arguments that I might accept would be based on some kind of harm caused by an action — VagabondSpectre
    Yes, indecency harms the person who is being indecent.

    The reason why what I would describe as a "sex act" would be immoral for display in public is that witnessing them can be psychologically harmful to children — VagabondSpectre
    So witnessing and passing by potentially infectious penises which swing from side to side isn't dangerous and psychologically harmful for children? :s

    Men like you and I might have a hard time thinking straight if a very attractive woman suddenly exposed herself in our presence, but isn't that our problem and not hers? — VagabondSpectre
    Maybe you would have trouble, but I have no trouble at all. This is a common occurrence for me. Attractive women don't attract me much anymore. People can train themselves to stop being enslaved by the cultural instincts that society breeds in them, especially when these instincts are immoral.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    Because it's no big deal — Sapientia
    Again, to whom? To you? It clearly isn't one to you.

    I'm a liberal and you're a prude. — Sapientia
    No, a conservative isn't a prude. I didn't suggest you should not show your sexy six pack to your wife, of course you should, she should enjoy that. But only she. (well people at your gym can enjoy that too, or the beach, etc. but certainly not the street).

    I don't doubt that you go around judging what you take to be indecent behaviour. My point was, in what we were talking about, how can you be sure? — Sapientia
    Nobody can be sure of anything, so what's your point? :s We shouldn't judge things just because we can't be sure? Our judgement should take into account the uncertainty.

    Worse, the naked body of women becomes protected in public display. — TheWillowOfDarkness
    What do you even mean the female body becomes protected in public display? Protected from what exactly? :s

    In this instance, the concern isn't so much about sex, but the celebration of public nudity is politically associated with people who advocate for permissive sexuality. — TheWillowOfDarkness
    Yes, it's a way to spread propaganda.

    If we respect the publicly naked body, for example, he won't be able to attack women Slutwalk march for going topless. — TheWillowOfDarkness
    Wow wow wow, slow down please. Why should we "attack" women who go on the Slutwalk march?

    But the real question is should we have women going topless marching through our streets, and breaking down our standards of decency? No, I think we shouldn't. Nor do I think we should respect dangerous propaganda which aims to legitimise forms of sexual immorality. Rather, we should speak against it, and educate people of its dangers.

    Agustino: You are Exhibit A in the Case of the Prudish Philosopher. — Bitter Crank
    No, I don't think I'm prudish at all BC, it seems you picked that meme from Sapientia. I don't think there's anything wrong with showing your body in the right circumstances. There is however something wrong with purposefully looking to be sexually attractive.

    Because they have a problem with being an embodied being. One suspects they have rejected their own body, and then generalized this rejection to others. If they thought being a body was really a good thing, they would celebrate it instead of constructing barbed wire fences and visual screens around it. — Bitter Crank
    I do celebrate it, I have no clue why you'd think I don't. At the gym and in the right places. With my wife when I will get married eventually. And also by currently being a celibate - that's also a way to respect and celebrate my body, by the way. Freudians are really behind aren't they?

    People who are physically and mentally healthy NATURALLY want to appeal sexually to others. It's NORMAL. — Bitter Crank
    No I don't think it's normal at all. I want to be sexually appealing to the woman I love, not to any random woman on the street, that's silly now. Why would I want that? :s

    Maybe where you come from that is so, but I doubt it. — Bitter Crank
    I was speaking about decency there.

    Exposed and eroticized torsos (of either sex) bother people who are uncomfortable with eroticism. — Bitter Crank
    No, I'm not "bothered" by seeing it at all, it's just that it's not decent, and it would be better if it didn't happen. If I see a smoking hot woman walking by, I'm really not that interested anymore, as I would be when I was a younger boy :P - I really feel no need to be. But if I were to love that woman, that would be a different question...
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    Serena is showing neither genitals nor fully showing breasts in the image you apparently find so morally appalling. — John
    Well I believe you haven't read all of my posts, otherwise you would understand that I said that the image is ugly, and justified the ugliness based on the fact that pregnancy is used to drive a political agenda through the picture. This, I believe, is immoral. And no, it has nothing to do with the beach. People at the beach aren't driving political agendas by their nakedness, nor do they stay with breasts out, only covered by the palms of their hands.

    Having said that, I do tend to find celebrities' apparent needs to share everything with the public, and the public's tendency to lap it up somewhat disgusting, but more for aesthetic, than for moral reasons. This is also reflected in the 'minor celebrity' phenomenon of people sharing images and anecdotes showing mundane details of their lives on social media. " Look, this is me at the beach!" I do find that disgusting as well. — John
    Yes, I very much share some of those feelings.
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  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    But it shouldn't concern you. — Sapientia
    Why not? Who decides this you? And where have you taken this from, out of your ass maybe? :P

    You're saying it shouldn't concern me as if this was all so self-evident. So quit playing games, because it clearly isn't all so self-evident.

    I'm trying to ascertain whether this is more of a hypothetical thing or whether you actually go around judging people, and if so, under what circumstances. — Sapientia
    That would be hard specifying, it would require a lot of writing. Of course I do - when I see indecent behaviour I do judge it.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    I don't know. That's his concern, not yours. Why don't you ask him? That'd be funny to watch, actually. — Sapientia
    I would if I met him. But for now you might have to supplant for him. Clearly it concerns me, that's why I'm asking him.

    When can you be sure if he's just some guy on the other side of the street minding his own business? If he's good looking and seems confident? — Sapientia
    I don't understand your question?
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    2. Even if he's doing it for sex appeal, so what? Stop being a prude. — Sapientia
    Why does he want to appeal sexually and attract attention?

    1. When you see a guy with his top off on a hot summer day, you can't be sure of the reason, and so you can't be sure of whether or not you'd approve or disapprove, so you shouldn't be too quick to judge. — Sapientia
    Depends on the circumstance.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    And my point stands. I would have felt more physically comfortable, and that would have been the reason for taking my t-shirt off, and there would have been nothing wrong with that. You're just a prude. — Sapientia
    Again, one specific case is not basis enough for making a rule out of it. You seem to be ignoring this fact.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    ↪Sapientia
    That color has the absolute worst light reflectance value, so I'm not surprised. But better than going naked would have been painting your T-shirt white.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    I was wearing a black t-shirt out in the sun on a very hot day recently. I would have definitely felt more physically comfortable if I had've taken my t-shirt off, and I probably would have done so if I had the abdomen that I used to have. — Sapientia
    >:O Yeah, it's useful you've specified the color ;)
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    Let's say that he wants to stay cool on a hot day, — VagabondSpectre
    Staying cool on a hot day requires clothing. Many people believe this idiocy, but actually the body creates an exchange environment located between the body and the clothing. This is one of the primary ways of the body to regulate its own temperature, so clothing actually helps. That's why in the Middle East they go fully clothed for example, even though it's scorching hot. And it does actually feel cooler if you walk like them.

    So this is a stupid reason. It would be time to educate him.

    or just that shirtlessness is the most comfortable for him. — VagabondSpectre
    Okay, highly unlikely.

    Is it still immoral for him to walk around shirtless? — VagabondSpectre
    No. But again we need rules. Rules can't cover ALL cases. If they cover most cases, that's good enough.

    (by your logic, a woman who shows ankle because they want too appear sexy is behaving immorally. You should probably look into correcting your moral reasoning here) — VagabondSpectre
    Yes she would be, but (1) I doubt most women would seek to appear sexy just by showing ankles, and (2) a rule cannot cover every possible case, there will be exceptions which bypass the rule, and that's fine. All it needs is to cover most cases.

    Asking you what determines the standards of decency isn't some "gotcha" or trick question; you stated that something is indecent, and now I'm asking how you came to that conclusion... — VagabondSpectre
    I've explained to you very specifically for that particular case, and there was no reference to subjective and religious reasons by the way.

    Honestly, I expect really terrible answers because I know you base your position here on subjective and personal-religious emotional sensitivities — VagabondSpectre
    You still haven't answered my question. What KIND of answer would you expect? Can you give me an example of the kind of answer you would expect?

    I'm attracted to the ankles of women, and some women intentionally excite me in public by displaying their ankles to me in public. That makes ankle display immoral right? — VagabondSpectre
    No. That's your problem you are so darn attracted to them, most men aren't.

    A woman appearing in Saudi Arabia without a man is like a woman appearing in your town without a top or bra. — VagabondSpectre
    That's absolutely false. I haven't seen any women in my town appearing without a top or a bra, but when I was in Saudi a couple of years ago, I've seen PLENTY of women going unchaperoned in their huge ass malls.

    Some women would actually like to walk around topless for comfort reasons, but because you find breasts so sexually provocative suddenly their display becomes immoral and nefarious. — VagabondSpectre
    Yeah, a very tiny percentage of women.


    So far the only actual qualifier you've offered is "women intending to be provocative", and if we were to use that as a standard to determine indecency, then make-up of any kind, any decorative hair-styles, any clothing which flatters the human form, (basically any overt aesthetic display by men or women) can be viewed as an attempt to provoke sexual desire (aka, immoral and nefarious). Similarly, any unintentional attempt to be sexually provocative (a woman walking around naked because she likes being naked) therefore is NOT immoral or nefarious (because there's no intent?) Of course not right? It's still immoral because if you're forced to see a nipple then.... Reasons...? — VagabondSpectre
    Don't be stupid, I haven't said any of this garbage. Stop strawmanning.

    I don't think public displays of nudity (from anyone) are inherently indecent...

    I would hazard to say that public sex acts are indecent, but I would not include brief kisses (even between men) under the description of a "sex act".     — VagabondSpectre
    The fact you think that some things are indecent are proof enough. Why are sex acts in public indecent? It will be so fun watching you give the same reasons I have given now sweetypie.

    If god didn't describe nudity as shameful in Christianity, might you assent to this position? — VagabondSpectre
    Yes, I clearly would. I got most of my moral values before I became a Christian actually. And contrary to what my society was pushing me towards as well.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    What you're really trying to say is that the boundary between what's decent and what's not decent isn't very clear - and I would agree, and we need to discuss where we need to place that boundary. But there clearly are things which are decent and things which are not decent. If I go outside with my penis swinging from side to side completely naked on the street, I think we can both agree that that's not decent. However we may disagree over finer details, such as whether X article of clothing is decent to wear or not.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    Why is a shirtless male on the street bad but an ankle sporting women is O.K? — VagabondSpectre
    Why is that man going shirtless? :s Is it because he wants to show his sexy body openly on the street? Then that's immoral and lacks decency.

    Ankle sporting women aren't doing anything that is indecent.

    Who decides the standards of decency? Tradition? the bible? You? God? — VagabondSpectre
    What kind of answer do you expect when you ask this question?

    I could pretend to be a puritan and admonish you for not condemning the indecency of an exposed female ankle. I could accuse you of having a nefarious political agenda and that all I'm doing is sanctioning a lack of decency in public... — VagabondSpectre
    Yes, you could. And then I would explain to you why women showing their ankles isn't an example of lack of decency. I would say that a woman wouldn't show her ankles for any nefarious or immoral reasons - such as provoking sexual desire, showing off, etc. I would say that her showing her ankles in public would not produce any negative social consequences, but on the contrary it may be useful when it's very hot outside for example.

    In Saudi Arabia it's considered indecent for a women to be unchaperoned by a man, at all times (in public).

    What would you say to Saudi Arabia when they accuse you of sexual depravity?     — VagabondSpectre
    I would ask them why they consider it indecent for a woman to be unchaperoned by a man in public. They will probably tell me that it's either because the woman should be protected at all times because of the danger that exists from a man trying to pick her up, rob her, etc. They may also tell me that a woman who isn't with a man may be provoking for other men and may incite their lust. In the first case I'd suggest that we should use police to protect women such that they are not harassed by men while out in the street. In the second case, I'd ask them if the lust provoked in the men looking at the women is any different if she's with another man. They'd either say yes, or no. If they say yes, then I'd ask them to explain how this is possible, granted that the woman, and not the man is the cause of this lust in the first place. They might try to say that the presence of the man would produce fear in other men, keeping their lust at bay. Then I may say that we should try to produce the same fear by means of the law, not by means of requesting her to be escorted by a man at all times. And so forth.

    And by the way, they do walk unchaperoned many times >:O . Saudi and those places are very very hypocritical.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    If some women find the male chest to be disgusting, should we forbid any man from appearing shirtless in public? — VagabondSpectre
    Yes, except in the appropriate contexts, like the beach. But certainly if someone goes shirtless on the street that should be considered a problem.

    If some men find public displays of female ankle to be disgusting, should they be forbade from doing so? — VagabondSpectre
    No - it's just an ankle.

    You find public displays of the female/pregnant body sickening, but why??? — VagabondSpectre
    Because it is used to promote a nefarious political agenda, which is a problem. It's much like prostitution - it's using something that is natural and wholesome - the pregnant body - for an evil and nefarious end.

    What exactly is the basis of your sentiments toward nudity and sex other than the discomfort you personally feel toward it? — VagabondSpectre
    And let me guess - the discomfort is due to my insecurity, even though I have a sexier body than most men. Sure. :-} Typical absurd progressive thinking.

    Aren't you a part of a political movement aimed at vilifying public displays of the female form? — VagabondSpectre
    No, I am part of a political movement aimed at sanctioning lack of decency in public.
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  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
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    Okay no worries! :) Take care!
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    that suggests that some men are making an active choice to keep women seeking to satisfy the objectification level that the male desires. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
    Is a good woman one who benefits herself, or who benefits her man? I like to go to the doctor who most benefits me, not who benefits himself, I don't know about you. So since when would it be wrong for men to be important in setting up the ideal of what a woman should be? And the opposite is also true - a good man is one who most benefits his woman, not himself. Hence the standard of what a good man is should be set by women.

    Also I am a bit puzzled at what exactly you refer to by "keep women seeking to satisfy the objectification level that the male desires" - what objectification level are you even talking about?
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    Do you have a heart in there Agustino? Holy cannoli! Who are you to suggest what is and isn't a GOOD POSITIVE movement to bring the reality to a woman's body as it morphs over life? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
    Well who are you to suggest the opposite? :s

    And I don't understand what you mean by "bring the reality to a woman's body as it morphs over life"? Isn't her body already real as it is, why do you need to "bring the reality" to it?

    And by the way, I think people like her have no heart. Because they teach girls who are not beautiful to act as if they are, and prepare them to be heartbroken and disappointed over and over again, instead of teaching them that physical beauty isn't that important in the first place, and they should find a man who values them for their moral character rather than for things which can be lost, like physical beauty.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    No one has ever had to convince me to get a boner. It's a biological response. — geospiza
    It's a biological response that is culturally and psychologically mediated. You can train yourself not to get a boner, except at command (I have done that for example). What you find sexually attractive is also culturally mediated by what others find sexually attractive. If you see this smoking hot girl followed by 5 guys salivating after her, then chances are you'll be very sexually attracted to her. If you saw that girl alone, then you'd be less attracted to her than otherwise, but still attracted to her if she meets the image that society has projected of an attractive woman.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    but rather the ability to love living life at every stage, which for a woman can include pregnancy. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
    Okay, what does this ability have to do with publicly showing your naked body while you're pregnant? :s

    She and women around the world are imploring women, to accept the beauty of THIER bodies — ArguingWAristotleTiff
    Which is another stupid thing. Some women aren't physically beautiful, that's not the end of the world. It's not even a big thing. There's much more important things than physical beauty. Her "way" of dealing with this is telling them a lie - "hurr hurr you're already beautiful" - oh really? Rather than teaching them that the most important beauty consists in being virtuous, they teach them that they already have a beautiful body even while it's false, and reality will show them that it is false sooner or later, and they will be miserable, because they put their money on something that is corruptible and can be lost (physical beauty).
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    Sex appeal has a very real basis in biology. — geospiza
    I am skeptical of this. Yes, it does have a basis in biology, but that doesn't play as big of a role as we're often made to think it does.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    What about that picture is defaming? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
    The fact that it doesn't illustrate the non-physical beauty that you're speaking of. It's not an image which arouses in you feelings of the glow and beauty of a newly created life. Neither does it illustrate the bond between mother and child, or between mother and father for that matter.

    And why is it "political"? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
    Because Serena is doing this just to show she is PROUD of her pregnant body and isn't ashamed of showing it out in the open for all to see. It's part of a political movement aimed at normalising public displays of intimate matters, as if such things were meant to be put on public display. To me, this is quite sickening.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    ↪geospiza
    Basically I think sexual attraction is mimetic in nature (most of the time), whereas beauty is something independent of social standards. Sexual attraction occurs largely because other people are attracted to the person in question. In rare cases it occurs because of love.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    This is just a guess not an assumption so please do not take it that way but my guess is you have never contributed to the creation of a child. There are hopes and dreams created through the 10 lunar months that your partner is pregnant that enamor you with the upcoming birth of a part of you, blended with part of your partner. That actually translates to an appreciation of the beauty of a woman when she is literally carrying your baby. At times men will wonder if the pregnant woman in their home is actually the same woman he married because co-habituating a body is a pretty magnificent and creepy feeling all at the same time. But in the glow of the pending addition to your life, a pregnant woman could not be more beautiful.
    So maybe it comes down to beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially in the creation of another human but I think that pregnant women are beautiful simply because the glow of life that shows in their whole being.     — ArguingWAristotleTiff
    No, I don't have any children, so you're quite correct about that. I certainly agree with all this, and I hope I haven't given you the impression that I don't. But all this is something very different from what that picture illustrates. I think what that picture illustrates is quite defaming of what you're saying right here, in that it obscures these elements, rather than showing them.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    What is the teleology directing a woman's beauty? — geospiza
    Are you talking about physical beauty, moral beauty, intellectual beauty or what? :s
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    Then what is behind your assertion that "the pregnant body of a woman isn't meant to be beautiful"? — geospiza
    Exactly what it says? :s
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    Do you know the difference between beauty and sexual appeal? — geospiza
    Yes, beauty is more general than sexual appeal. Also sexual appeal can be elicited in ways that are independent of beauty, but rather dependent on social standards.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    My dear Agustino, are you suggesting that Serena is "ugly" because she is pregnant? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
    I'm suggesting that the pregnant body of a woman isn't meant to be beautiful, and yes, I don't consider that picture of Serena to be beautiful, but rather ugly. Why is it ugly? A combination of factors, including the fact that the pregnant body is used as if it were meant to be beautiful in order to send a political message. I don't consider this to be art at all.

    Now there's nothing wrong with the pregnant body, it has its own symbolism and meaning to offer, but it's not in beauty, but rather in nourishment, protection, etc. I think a picture like this just defames that.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    Hate the beach, then? — John
    I don't hate it, I just don't go to the beach to see naked people >:O . And even on the beach they're not completely naked.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    I read this science fiction story with a villain that sort of reminds me of you. This scientist had invented a time machine. He had a drinking buddy who would go on right wing rants. The kind of person you roll your eyes at but figure they are just venting their frustrations at life.

    Well, the scientist had lost his wife or something, and decided that he had no more reason to stick around, so he takes off and lands a couple thousand years in the future. The human race has changed quite a bit, and so has society. I don't think you would approve. Everyone is a genderless genetic clone with the same status, and there are no authorities. Nobody needs to work. Nobody tells anyone else to do anything. It's all voluntary.

    Anyway, our hero happens across his bar friend who had gotten a hold of his plans back in the past and hand an engineer to make another time machine. I guess the machine was geared to go the same amount into the future. So our right wing villain was none too happy with how things turned out, and thus set about trying to teach inequality and social hierarchies to the future humans, while creating a terrorist plot to bring the whole society down, in order to restart things with hard work and inequality. Of course the villain would get to be king of the new society.

    To be honest though, I wasn't much of a fan of that future either (I don't want everyone to be the same), although I disagreed with the villain of the story.     — Marchesk
    I recommend you put the crack pipe down. I see no resemblance between myself and your villain.
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    Don't deny it. You also are clearly in love with Hillary. — geospiza
    Yes, absolutely:


    She's totally a LUNATIC.
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  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    you are clearly repressing your sexual attraction for Serena. — geospiza
    >:O >:O >:O If you believe that, you're absolutely crazy. That's just like saying I don't want my wife to have sex with other men because I'm insecure >:O

    Damn some people really can't think, can they? :s Nietzsche did have a point when he wrote about some slave morality overcoming master morality and ruling society. Clearly slave morality has won! Thinking Serena's picture is ugly must certainly mean I'm attracted to her! How the slaves have inverted our values such that strengths and virtues have become weaknesses and sins...
  • John McEnroe: Serena Williams would rank 'like 700 in the world' in men's circuit play
    The beauty in the photo, to me, is found in its candour about the female body. — geospiza

    >:O - this must win bullshit of the day. Let me guess, you're a progressive who voted Clinton - you're with HER? :D

    Why do I give a damn about candour when it's ugly?! Can someone please explain this to me? How does honestly expressing something ugly suddenly make it beautiful? :s

    "Oh the candour with which he talked about his open marriage, ahhh so beautiful". WTF? :s I think the brain has gone missing...
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    Because you responded to me, silly! — Thorongil
    >:O
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    Yeah, that statement is clearly false. Lots of things exist (are not nothing) that are not perceptible. — Thorongil

    Why do you think that existent means just what is perceptible by the senses? Number 2 is not perceptible by the senses, but clearly it exists, albeit in a different way than a chair exists. — Agustino

    Why are you telling me? :P
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    Okay, but this is clearly false. — Thorongil

    It depends on how one is using the word "existent". Mathematical proofs refer to [the necessity of] non-existent relationships, if we are using "existent" to mean "perceptible by the senses" (which is one way to use that word). — Mariner
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    I don't understand this at all. How are they not? — Thorongil
    Clearly if existent means what is perceptible by the senses, then an argument cannot prove the existence of anything. Only perception can.
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    Mathematical proofs refer to [the necessity of] non-existent relationships, if we are using "existent" to mean "perceptible by the senses" (which is one way to use that word). — Mariner
    Why do you think that existent means just what is perceptible by the senses? Number 2 is not perceptible by the senses, but clearly it exists, albeit in a different way than a chair exists.
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