Staying cool on a hot day requires clothing. Many people believe this idiocy, but actually the body creates an exchange environment located between the body and the clothing. This is one of the primary ways of the body to regulate its own temperature, so clothing actually helps. That's why in the Middle East they go fully clothed for example, even though it's scorching hot. And it does actually feel cooler if you walk like them.Let's say that he wants to stay cool on a hot day, — VagabondSpectre
Okay, highly unlikely.or just that shirtlessness is the most comfortable for him. — VagabondSpectre
No. But again we need rules. Rules can't cover ALL cases. If they cover most cases, that's good enough.Is it still immoral for him to walk around shirtless? — VagabondSpectre
Yes she would be, but (1) I doubt most women would seek to appear sexy just by showing ankles, and (2) a rule cannot cover every possible case, there will be exceptions which bypass the rule, and that's fine. All it needs is to cover most cases.(by your logic, a woman who shows ankle because they want too appear sexy is behaving immorally. You should probably look into correcting your moral reasoning here) — VagabondSpectre
I've explained to you very specifically for that particular case, and there was no reference to subjective and religious reasons by the way.Asking you what determines the standards of decency isn't some "gotcha" or trick question; you stated that something is indecent, and now I'm asking how you came to that conclusion... — VagabondSpectre
You still haven't answered my question. What KIND of answer would you expect? Can you give me an example of the kind of answer you would expect?Honestly, I expect really terrible answers because I know you base your position here on subjective and personal-religious emotional sensitivities — VagabondSpectre
No. That's your problem you are so darn attracted to them, most men aren't.I'm attracted to the ankles of women, and some women intentionally excite me in public by displaying their ankles to me in public. That makes ankle display immoral right? — VagabondSpectre
That's absolutely false. I haven't seen any women in my town appearing without a top or a bra, but when I was in Saudi a couple of years ago, I've seen PLENTY of women going unchaperoned in their huge ass malls.A woman appearing in Saudi Arabia without a man is like a woman appearing in your town without a top or bra. — VagabondSpectre
Yeah, a very tiny percentage of women.Some women would actually like to walk around topless for comfort reasons, but because you find breasts so sexually provocative suddenly their display becomes immoral and nefarious. — VagabondSpectre
Don't be stupid, I haven't said any of this garbage. Stop strawmanning.So far the only actual qualifier you've offered is "women intending to be provocative", and if we were to use that as a standard to determine indecency, then make-up of any kind, any decorative hair-styles, any clothing which flatters the human form, (basically any overt aesthetic display by men or women) can be viewed as an attempt to provoke sexual desire (aka, immoral and nefarious). Similarly, any unintentional attempt to be sexually provocative (a woman walking around naked because she likes being naked) therefore is NOT immoral or nefarious (because there's no intent?) Of course not right? It's still immoral because if you're forced to see a nipple then.... Reasons...? — VagabondSpectre
The fact you think that some things are indecent are proof enough. Why are sex acts in public indecent? It will be so fun watching you give the same reasons I have given now sweetypie.I don't think public displays of nudity (from anyone) are inherently indecent...
I would hazard to say that public sex acts are indecent, but I would not include brief kisses (even between men) under the description of a "sex act". — VagabondSpectre
Yes, I clearly would. I got most of my moral values before I became a Christian actually. And contrary to what my society was pushing me towards as well.If god didn't describe nudity as shameful in Christianity, might you assent to this position? — VagabondSpectre
>:O Yeah, it's useful you've specified the color ;)I was wearing a black t-shirt out in the sun on a very hot day recently. I would have definitely felt more physically comfortable if I had've taken my t-shirt off, and I probably would have done so if I had the abdomen that I used to have. — Sapientia
Again, one specific case is not basis enough for making a rule out of it. You seem to be ignoring this fact.And my point stands. I would have felt more physically comfortable, and that would have been the reason for taking my t-shirt off, and there would have been nothing wrong with that. You're just a prude. — Sapientia
Again, one specific case is not basis enough for making a rule out of it. You seem to be ignoring this fact. — Agustino
Why does he want to appeal sexually and attract attention?2. Even if he's doing it for sex appeal, so what? Stop being a prude. — Sapientia
Depends on the circumstance.1. When you see a guy with his top off on a hot summer day, you can't be sure of the reason, and so you can't be sure of whether or not you'd approve or disapprove, so you shouldn't be too quick to judge. — Sapientia
Why does he want to appeal sexually and attract attention? — Agustino
Depends on the circumstance. — Agustino
I would if I met him. But for now you might have to supplant for him. Clearly it concerns me, that's why I'm asking him.I don't know. That's his concern, not yours. Why don't you ask him? That'd be funny to watch, actually. — Sapientia
I don't understand your question?When can you be sure if he's just some guy on the other side of the street minding his own business? If he's good looking and seems confident? — Sapientia
Staying cool on a hot day requires clothing. Many people believe this idiocy, but actually the body creates an exchange environment located between the body and the clothing. This is one of the primary ways of the body to regulate its own temperature, so clothing actually helps. That's why in the Middle East they go fully clothed for example, even though it's scorching hot. And it does actually feel cooler if you walk like them.
So this is a stupid reason. It would be time to educate him. — Agustino
Okay, highly unlikely. — Agustino
No. But again we need rules. Rules can't cover ALL cases. If they cover most cases, that's good enough. — Agustino
Yes she would be, but (1) I doubt most women would seek to appear sexy just by showing ankles, and (2) a rule cannot cover every possible case, there will be exceptions which bypass the rule, and that's fine. All it needs is to cover most cases. — Agustino
I've explained to you very specifically for that particular case, and there was no reference to subjective and religious reasons by the way. — Agustino
You still haven't answered my question. What KIND of answer would you expect? Can you give me an example of the kind of answer you would expect? — Agustino
That's absolutely false. I haven't seen any women in my town appearing without a top or a bra, but when I was in Saudi a couple of years ago, I've seen PLENTY of women going unchaperoned in their huge ass malls. — Agustino
Yeah, a very tiny percentage of women. — Agustino
Don't be stupid, I haven't said any of this garbage. Stop strawmanning. — Agustino
The fact you think that some things are indecent are proof enough. Why are sex acts in public indecent? It will be so fun watching you give the same reasons I have given now sweetypie. — Agustino
I would if I met him. — Agustino
But for now you might have to supplant for him. Clearly it concerns me, that's why I'm asking him. — Agustino
I don't understand your question? — Agustino
I'm trying to ascertain whether this is more of a hypothetical thing or whether you actually go around judging people, and if so, under what circumstances. — Sapientia
Why not? Who decides this you? And where have you taken this from, out of your ass maybe? :PBut it shouldn't concern you. — Sapientia
That would be hard specifying, it would require a lot of writing. Of course I do - when I see indecent behaviour I do judge it.I'm trying to ascertain whether this is more of a hypothetical thing or whether you actually go around judging people, and if so, under what circumstances. — Sapientia
Why not? Who decides this you? — Agustino
That would be hard specifying, it would require a lot of writing. Of course I do - when I see indecent behaviour I do judge it. — Agustino
As far as I can tell so far, it's to do with the immorality of promiscuity itself, up to and including the way in which it is leading to the destruction of the west through the erosion of traditional Western monogamy. — VagabondSpectre
Staying cool on a hot day requires clothing. — Agustino
Why does he want to appeal sexually and attract attention? — Agustino
I probably would have done so if I had the abdomen that I used to have. — Sapientia
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