Fair enough, but these people are all former military. Unlike Lloyd Austin, Blinken, and Milley and their efforts in Afghanistan, leading to the death of soldiers, they took full responsibility for the debacle.

No, sorry, telling even half an hour when you launch the aircraft is by all means crucial secret information. If intercepted, you do have time to people to take shelter, disperse, bring on the air defenses. And then people like Tulsi Gabbard deny everything.

None of that happened though, and I doubt this sort of leak or the use of the Signal app will continue given these concerns.

Indeed. That has nothing to do with the motives you assign to Goldberg

But his embellishments about war plans and lies about CIA operatives do.

Thanks for the correction. But unlike you I’m not appealing to the authority, only the humor of the statement.

Waltz' childish attack on Goldberg has zero bearing on the serious error Waltz committed. It just shows how dishonorable he is. He ought to be grateful that Goldberg didn't publish what he'd learned. Imagine if Goldberg had published this (allegedly) unclassified information immediately.

Your irrational loyalty to the Trump administration is truly pathetic. You were unwilling to believe Waltz even committed the error and jumped to the conclusion (without evidence) that it was the "deep state". Waltz played you, and you don't even realize it: he's deflected your attention from his error to the irrelevant fact that the recipient is a liberal.

No, I’m willing to believe it, now that the evidence is clear that Walz’s account added him. Now the question is how Jeffry Goldberg was added to Waltz’s contact list, and subsequently the chat.

Goldberg isn’t a liberal. He’s neocon. He was a cheerleader of the Iraq war, and was the one who came up with the “sucker and losers” hoax. Rather than remove himself from the situation or notify other members of the error, he surreptitiously took screenshots and used them to embarrass all involved.

This is such a stupid take. Hillary Clinton sent classified information through her private email server, and she was found to have destroyed much of it, even using hammers on the devices. The two events are not even close.

In any case, the full release of Goldberg’s messages actually make the staff look pretty good, in my view. I was worried that Goldberg might not be lying this time, that there could possibly be “war plans” and the name of a CIA operative, both of which turned out to be false. But JD’s questions about why we are again subsidizing European defense makes me happy to see. Let the EU protect their own shipping lanes. The children there need to learn to stand on their own feet. It reminds me of the Schwarzkopf line “Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.”.

ROFL!
"When the Fox host asked [Waltz]how Goldberg’s number ended up in the group, Waltz responded: “Have you ever had somebody’s contact that shows their name and then you have somebody else’s number there? " -- source

Sound familiar? (See my prior post)

Clearly you read it. Why did you deliberately leave the rest out?

“Of course I didn’t see this loser in the group. It looked like someone else. Whether he did it deliberately or it happened in some other technical mean is something we’re trying to figure out.”

Edit: There is in fact now photographic evidence that Waltz added him to the group. Whether he was disguising himself as someone else is not clear, but Waltz should probably resign either way.

You're "supposed" to believe things based on evidence, not based on biased speculation. There IS evidence of Waltz' involvement - the invite came from his account. There are other possibilities, but it's irrational to jump to conclusions without evidence.

I don’t consider the words of Jeffry Goldberg to be evidence. All he provided was two screenshots, and none of them shows any invite. And given his history and animus towards all involved, it is not beyond him to fabricate the whole damn thing, or be a dupe of some other campaign.

Though it is possible that Waltz invited one of the worst, rabid, anti-Trump journalists, from one of the worst, rabid, anti-Trump publications to read in on a chat with the vice-president, and the highest cabinet positions, the sheer unlikelihood of it demands consideration of other possibilities.

Michael Waltz screwed up. There's no evidence of anyone else doing anything nefarious. The jounalist (Jeffrey Goldberg) did not release plans, in fact he asked to be removed from the chat group. He published his article after the planned actions were executed- he wasn't even sure it was real until he read of the events unfolding.

Waltz is telling colleagues that he has never met or talked to Goldberg, according to Fox News. Yet Goldberg is saying Waltz added him. If you've ever used Signal you'll note that when someone is added to the chat group, you're notified of who joined. So I'm supposed to believe an employee of the Trump administration added an anti-Trump architect of a few Trump hoaxes to a private chat, no one noticed, and continued to discuss war plans in from of him. How is that possible in your view?

This is not terrorism. It’s vandalism. Now repeat 3 times.

How did an anti-Trump “journalist” find himself on the Signal app, and leak the details of what was obviously a sensitive conversation? Smells to me like deep-state sabotage.

Well, just think of it as “American integration” then. Just use your little euphemisms you use on yourself and others and apply them to the United States. you’ll start to feel better.

Are you OK with Brussels annexing Ukraine? Or do you prefer euphemisms like “European integration”?

They need an emergency meeting because their meal ticket is vanishing. Fund your own research.

Why are they like this? The EU has a soy meltdown because they have to fund their own defense. It’s like an unweaned child who never learns to take care of themselves, and when finally set free to stand on their own feet, they spin around and spite their parents. They say the US is untrustworthy, when they have been living off the efforts of the American taxpayer.

Not mentioned is that there are no federal domestic terrorism laws, but the FBI have successfully prosecuted many arson and vandalism attacks as acts of domestic terrorism, which makes the sentencing worse. The FBI defines domestic terrorism as, "Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature."

There is a Tesla Takedown Movement, with the demand “Sell Your Teslas. Dump Your Stock. Stop Musk Now.” According to the website, “Hurting Tesla is stopping Musk. Stopping Musk will help save lives and our democracy.”

There is also an online map called DOGEQUEST, referencing the government agency, and it doxxes Tesla Owners and dealerships. The icon on the map is a Molotov cocktail.

And, again, three professors and researchers of domestic terrorism and extremism come to the exact opposite conclusion to the dismissive ones posted above.

While no one has been injured or killed by these attacks, three professors and researchers of domestic terrorism and extremism tell NPR that they consider these cases to be acts of domestic terrorism.

3 people face federal charges for Tesla attacks. Are such acts domestic terrorism?

Lastly, the swatting of pro-Trump and musk political figures could lead to death.

‘I just fell to the ground’: Some of Trump and Musk’s most public supporters targeted in a wave of swatting incidents

One can tell from the comments in this very thread that they actually believe these acts are harming Elon, and not innocent people, even fellow anti-Trumpists. For instance there was that guy carving swastikas into that Jewish guy’s cybertruck. These sorts of symbolic fantasies which lead to real-world consequences is why they lose elections.

Uh oh, must be over the target. Let’s watch them defend political violence against innocent people in the name of anti-Trumpism.

They’re not mine. But they share the same wild sentiment as you.

Ssu’s peaceful protesters.

Anti-Trump ex-FBI agent arrested while trying to flee the country. No wonder dupes fell for all their criminal grift.

Ex-FBI agent who accused agency of political bias is charged with disclosing confidential records

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-agent-arrested-c1d202f3e8e305797ed86a89d20e8f9e

Once again, their feelings are distorting the reality.

While no one has been injured or killed by these attacks, three professors and researchers of domestic terrorism and extremism tell NPR that they consider these cases to be acts of domestic terrorism.

3 people face federal charges for Tesla attacks. Are such acts domestic terrorism?

Damn, this is crazy. He just made a Democrat-leaning, anti-Trump law firm his bitch.

Trump rescinds executive order after law firm agrees to provide $40m in free services

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/20/trump-rescinds-executive-order-paul-weiss

It’s already law. Yes, the DOJ concerns itself with terrorism, no matter how retarded it is. Do you guys fire-bomb Ladas to get back at Putin?

Ouch, domestic terrorism. Strong language. But if you look at pictures of these people you get a sense that mental illness is the root of their problems.

Reflect on that for a minute.

I’ll pass.

The international system is one of anarchy. States are sovereign. International rules, if you can call them that, cannot be enforced. It’s odd that we’d defended anarchy on a global scale, while fear it on any other scale, but here we are.

Fixed

Isn’t that ironic. You had to change and bold my words to your liking.

Admittedly, some have too big a forehead to rub anything in.

So, what does the name mean to you? There are your posts about denying a "social contract".

I find it a ridiculous idea. It’s neither social nor a contract.

I’ve never claimed to be a libertarian. You claimed I read Breitbart, without evidence. You believed and spread the same lies as Joe Biden that Trump praised neo-Nazis, claimed your cousins did as well, and have yet to thank me for rubbing your face in the reality. You just make stuff up, so it continues to be quite easy to dismiss it all as wild imaginings

Billions, probably trillions spent, and what does the US have to show for it?

Marketing? I’m sure it has led to lots of sales.

While the brilliant theories of those who have gotten everything wrong until now are fun, no, it’s for the pure joy of rubbing reality in the faces of those who would otherwise refuse it.

That’s right, Crossfire hurricane and now a new one, Arctic frost, which we’re just learning about. It looks like it all ties into the electors scheme case, the Jack Smith case, those “crimes” you keep mentioning though can never detail.

According to emails this case may have been instigated by an anti-Trumper named Timothy Thibault, a political agent who resigned in disgrace after whistleblowers accused him of shielding Hunter Biden. It was later found he was sharing sensitive info using FBI emails (and nude photos of his girlfriend), and also that he violated the Hatch Act. That’s just some of the routine rot cut from that agency, which you defend.

Anti-Muskism in a nutshell.

This demonstrates that Kash Patel is first a foremost a political operative. It's highly unlikely there were every any constraints on pursuing any of the "10 most wanted," but It's disingenuous to brag about "this administration is giving the new FBI..." the resources, when it was the GOP that cut the FBI budget when Biden was President.

It’s disingenuous to pretend Congress is the same as the administration. The administration has only moved to cut political bureaucrats. But returning the FBI to its mission of fighting crime appears to have its benefits.

Cleaning up.

Which theory did you believe, and why?

About 5 years ago I wrote that the pandemic was China’s Chernobyl, one of the worst industrial disasters ever.

But virtue-signalling even into death and tyranny is the modern impulse. For some reason officials wanted us to believe the virus came from a market, even though there was a coronavirus research lab just down the street. I recall they blamed the innocent pangolin. For some reason many of us believed it.

Remember that those institutions who cry most about misinformation are greatest historical purveyors of it. Here’s another example we can add to the list. The German, British, American, and the Chinese governments knew about the origin of the virus but spread misinformation instead.

A classified dossier compiled by Sir Richard Dearlove, the former head of MI6, was passed to then-Prime Minister Boris Johnson at the start of the outbreak in March 2020 which stated: 'It is now beyond reasonable doubt that Covid-19 was engineered in the Wuhan Institute of Virology'.

The file, marked 'Secret – Recipient's Eyes Only' argued that Beijing was pushing a fake narrative that the virus had originated in an animal market. The dossier, compiled by a group of eminent academics and intelligence experts and seen by The Mail on Sunday, said China even retrospectively manipulated viral samples to give credence to the deception.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14503159/Labour-Wuhan-lab-leak-pandemic-Boris-johnson.html

Now we know for certain that influential scientific journals, the “experts” and authorities whom we are taught to listen to, privately believed the lab-leak theory but publicly refuted it.

German spy agency believed COVID started in a lab

Seems that we agree. At least this day.

There have been many terrible days for US foreign policy. Yet many fantastic days for Russia.

Just his recent choices in the Middle East. Everything else I like. So we probably don’t agree.

It looks like the ceasefire with Gaza is over, bombs are falling in Yemen, and the sabre-rattling in Iran has continued. Another terrible day for America first foreign policy. Trump’s base is not going to like this and hopefully its unpopularity is enough to push him to stop it.

Anatomy of a lie. Fascinating propaganda.