Nonsense – "non-life" is not "nothing". :roll:you can’t get something from nothing just like you can’t get life from non-life — kindred
No, I minimize judgments based on my anthropomorphic bias as much as possible.So you don’t believe that these processes exhibit intelligence from an anthropic perspective? — kindred
There is no "why" for "non-life" processes.If so then why would non-life lead to life? (Abiogenesis)
We do not know how yet. Scientists are still working to crack that nut.or put more simply how do you get intelligence from non-intelligence?
How do you/we know this?You can’t.
In other words, does it make sense to conceive of 'inteligence in the universe without the universe existing' (i.e. disembodied agency)? :roll:Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing? — kindred
With all due respect, I suspect a less superficial (non-technical) gloss on the topic of 'nonhuman intelligence' is popularist Yuval Noah Harari's Homo Deus (2016). YMMV.'The Book of Minds: Understanding Ourselves and Other Beings, from Animals to Aliens', Philip Ball (2022). — Jack Cummins
Please explain what you mean by this phrase. Also why are you anthropomorphizing prospective AGI's metacognition (i.e. why assume that 'nonbiological thinking' is to think like humans)?truly free thinking — Jack Cummins
:100:Israel is the aggressor, Hamas commits a war crime and Israel uses it as an excuse to step up its decade old aggression by committing even worse war crimes. — Benkei
Maybe for you ... a stipulative definition suffices, however, for a subject matter-informed, speculative discussion: consciousness = pain-awareness (i.e. what bodily activity-feedback feels like, not just PNS reflexes).It partly comes down to the question of whatis[do we mean by] consciousness? — Jack Cummins
AGI =/= "artificial simulations" (whatever those are). As for "programming": same as neonatal pair-bonding + socialization in humans but with powerful neural nets instead: training metacognitive systems to self-learn within enabling-constraints. IMO, 'intelligence' = outside-the-box thinking that surpasses – repurposes – "programming" (i.e. not just "bot automatons").It also depends on what do the artificial simulations serve, and in accordance with whose will?
I don't – it's only a reductionist appeal to ignorance (i.e. woo-of-the-gaps) and/or compositional fallacy.If one has any sympathy with panpsychism ...
E.g. such as ...... beings with free will.
Speaking only for myself ...Who would you name asthe 10[13]mostimportant philosophers born after 1900? — Joshs
How very charitable of you, Sir. :smirk:It might just be that the word god was the name given to anything that was unexplainable and originally meant "I don't know". — Sir2u
:100: :fire:[It] would be logical to assume ... god(s) came about from the initial belief of animism¹, which likely came about due to pareidolia². — Outlander
:up: :up:Antinatalism is the poster boy for playing with Big Important Ideas not always leading to wisdom or insight. At least the minutia-mongerers among us aren't so foolish as to think there could be such a thing as an argument against life. — Srap Tasmaner
:up: :up:It's factually correct that anyone who defends Israeli aggression is a war crime(s) apologist. — Benkei
No doubt. \\//_ :nerd:Are they overly influenced by watching science fiction? — Relativist
As well the zionfascist (Likud) regime also "must be" "completely replaced". :mask:Which is why the victory must be complete and Hamas completely replaced. — BitconnectCarlos
:yikes:You could be possessed. You don't know — frank
Perhaps because "the puppet master" is merely a grammatical illusion (i.e. "doer" attributed to doing – "subject" of a predicate) that amounts to folk psychology's homunculus fallacy. Consider (e.g.) Buddha's anattā¹ ... Hume's bundle² ... Metzinger's PSM³ ... :chin:We have learned a bit about the strings and the pulling of them but are completely in the dark about the puppet master. — Manuel
13Sept24 – $16.12 per share :down:NASDAQ (DJT :rofl:)
4Sept24 – $16.98 per share (-36% past month)
(NASDAQ 17,084.10) — 180 Proof
Insofar as "before" is a synonym for without in this context, the above amounts to asking whether 'walking happened without legs' or 'vision without eyes' or 'life without mass' or 'minds without bodies' or 'patterns without primordial symmetry-breaking' ... wtf :roll:The question I have is…has intelligence always been around before this world was created prior to the Big Bang ...? — kindred
