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  • A quandary: How do we know there isn’t anything beyond our reality?
    ↪180 Proof So which one are you?Punshhh
    Physicalist (philosophical naturalist).
  • A quandary: How do we know there isn’t anything beyond our reality?
    There is a point though, only an idealist [immaterislist], of some kind, would restrict what is to what can be said, or known by a person. Surely by contrast, a physicalist [materialist] of some kind would allow any of an infinite number of other possibilities and the fact that we cannot observe them directly doesn’t preclude their existence.Punshhh
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  • What should we think about?
    Define what you mean by "lefty wokeness"?
    — 180 Proof

    The left. The not-‘MAGA’.
    Fire Ologist
    Aka Antifa – opposition to pro-"fascist / authoritarian" white grievance paranoia. Yes, we're guilty as charged. :mask:

    [Is] maga the only evidence of the disease of not thinking post enlightenment?Fire Ologist
    I didn't claim or imply MAGA is "the only" symptom of not thinking, though at the moment MAGA is the most conspicuous symptom (re: "alternative facts" anti-intellectualism, anti-science ...)
  • Cosmos Created Mind
    It's not a "mind" and yet capable of illusions (just as LLMs can hallucinate).
  • Cosmos Created Mind
    And an illusion is something that only a mind can entertain.Wayfarer
    What about mindless facial recognition software that misrecognizes faces? Illusion =/= misrecognition, no?
  • What should we think about?
    Or, more to my point, is lefty wokeness a symptom of not thinking too, ...?Fire Ologist
    Define what you mean by "lefty wokeness"? AFAIK that pejorative expression invokes another vacuous, right-wing media boogeyman in order to "own the Libs". :mask:
  • Cosmos Created Mind
    [C]onsciousness ... appears inexplicable.

    That’s not a cognitive failing, it’s a conceptual one.
    Wayfarer
    :up: :up:

    Finally, you agree with us eliminativists and physicalists that, in effect, "consciousness" is not what it "appears" to be (e.g. a homuncular / user illusion).
  • A quandary: How do we know there isn’t anything beyond our reality?
    [R]eality is what there is. To posit something "beyond reality" is to posit more [than] what there is. "Beyond reality" is not a region; it is a grammatical error.Banno
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  • What should we think about?
    I've no idea what your ramble means.
  • What should we think about?
    What should we[I/you] think about?
    Everything. Nothing. And why the chronic habit (nearly contagious/mimetic learned idiocy) of not-thinking persists even in this post-Enlightenment "Information Age" (e.g. in the US, "Trump/MAGA" are only effing symptoms). :mask:
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    Nothing within physics is distinct from philosophical [metaphysical] nothing.ucarr
    Yes, and we've been speculating in the context of physics (re: the universe). Btw, "philosophical nothing" is more precisely referred to as nothing-ness (i.e. total absence of possible worlds) as distinct from no-thing (e.g. quantum vacuum).
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    If you think the universe was preceded by nothing, then you must explain how nothing transitioned into something.ucarr
    Perhaps 'quantum uncertainty' ... such that "nothing" necessarily fluctuates and (at some threshold) a density of fluctuations – (contingent) not-nothing aka "something" – happens. :nerd:

    addendum to
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/1024032
  • A quandary: How do we know there isn’t anything beyond our reality?
    Any one-sentence OP is basically click bait.Wayfarer
    :up:
  • A quandary: How do we know there isn’t anything beyond our reality?
    beyond our realityan-salad
    :confused: (e.g. north of the North Pole)
  • Transwomen are women. Transmen are men. True or false?
    Tranwomen are women. Transmen are men. True or false?Philosophim
    False. They are "transwomen" (typical XY) and "transmen" (typical XX). Period. Usually they suffer from gender dysphoric disorder (GDD). Otoh, men are adult males (typical XY) and women are adult females (typical XX). Ergo: e.g. it's reasonable (i.e. fair) to prohibit "transwomen" (typical XY) from physically competing against women (typical XX) in organized sports.

    Addendum to
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/336888 (re: the Junk)
  • Cosmos Created Mind
    What emerges as fundamental are the invariances. The constraints of symmetry and then the degrees of freedom that result.apokrisis
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  • Idealism Simplified
    I think it most plausible to consider that what we cannot introspect is 'neural', and that it is precisely it's character as non-mental that makes it impossible to introspect.Janus
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  • Do we really have free will?
    Do we really have free will?
    Free of spacetime locality (naturata)? No.
    Free of situational constraints/conflicts? No.
    Free of ecological-embodied execution? No.
    Free of involuntary (selfish) desires/biases? No.
    Free of unintended consequences (risks)? No.
    Free of responsibility for uncoerced re/actions? No.
    Free of coercion by other agents? TBD.
    Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills. — Arthur Schopenhauer
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  • Greek Hedonists, Pleasure and Plato. What are the bad pleasures?
    It's not that we must avoid pains -- it's that we shouldn't be the cause of our own mental anguish; the pains aren't so bad as they stand, and the pleasures are not so alluring that we need to punish ourselves for not obtaining them.Moliere
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  • Greek Hedonists, Pleasure and Plato. What are the bad pleasures?
    As you stated, eudaimonia is hardly objective.javi2541997
    I don't recall stating that. In fact, I believe eudaimonia (i.e. flourishing) is objective — acquiring adaptive habits (virtues) and unlearning maladaptive habits (vices) — e.g. the Capability approach of M. Nussbaum & A. Sen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capability_approach
  • Greek Hedonists, Pleasure and Plato. What are the bad pleasures?
    But my post was in direct relation to how Epicureanism was outlined by 180 Proof. And with that description I yet disagree.javra

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/1024189
  • Greek Hedonists, Pleasure and Plato. What are the bad pleasures?
    None of your examples are the ones I gave: luxuries, excesses, wealth, power or fame (all of which cause fear of pain of losing them somehow) and therefore not "bad pleasures" per se, or "pleasures" at all.
  • Greek Hedonists, Pleasure and Plato. What are the bad pleasures?
    I have not read the thread yet but ...
    What are the bad pleasures according to Plato?javi2541997
    I don't know about Plato's mumbo-jumbo, but Epicurus thinks "bad pleasures" are ones which cause or increase pain (or fear (i.e. suffering)) because they are either unnecessary (e.g. luxuries, excesses) or unnatural (e.g. wealth, power, fame) in contrast to good pleasures which reduce pain (or fear (i.e. suffering)) and are simple but necessary (e.g. food, shelter, play, friendship, community). I think tranquility, not the "pleasure" (i.e. euphoria) of hedonists like the Cyrenaics, is the Epicurean (or disutilitarian) goal. :flower:
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    Not-nothing aka "something" is, so to speak, a ripple in nothing. As Frank Wilczek points out "Nothing is unstable" (e.g. quantum uncertainty), ergo there's always "something" (existence) too.

    ... a world equal to nothing is impossible
    :up: I.e. nothing-ness (or total absence of possible worlds).
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    Do you see errors?ucarr
    I see an argument wherein an argument is not needed.
  • Cosmos Created Mind
    So the Real World is an "evolving structure" that has existed forever, cycling but never beginning or ending.Gnomon
    This story makes more sense – is more consistent with quantum cosmological evidence (as well as e.g. Spinoza's, Epicurus' & Laozi's spectulations) – than any of the other cosmogenic alternatives.

    Does that sound like a reasonable alternative to the current scientific evidence that space-time [false vacuum collapse] suddenly exploded from a mathematical point into a complex [spacetime]?
    It's not an "alternative"; (metaphorical) BBT might be just (our) observation-limit of the most recent phase-transition (i.e. symmetry-breaking event 13.81 billion years ago) in the "cycling" "evolving structure" of the universe.

    Does forever causation make the Hard Problem of human consciousness irrelevant?
    Well, that's a pseudo-problem at most (i.e. faux-epistemological fodder for woo-of-the-gaps idealists), so it's not even "irrelevant". :yawn:
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    "Existence" as such is presupposed and not proven. "Why not nothing?" As I've pointed out already, (because) nothing negates existence or prevents (its) occurrence. Besides, "the cogito" is neither sound nor a proof. In so far as existence is a brute fact (i.e. eternal and infinite ~Spinoza, Epicurus, Laozi), a 'transcendent creator deity' necessarily is nothing more than a conceptually incoherent fiction (~Feuerbach et al) living rent free in the minds of religious believers & magical thinkers. :sparkle:

    However, if I am wrong (What does a pragmatic anti-supernationalist like me know anyway?), ucarr, soundly refute these three implicit points . :chin:
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    "Religion is the opium of the masses" - Karl Marx.

    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful," - Roman Stoic philosopher Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BC–AD 65).

    Most ideas that come from Abrahamic religions start with an idea that supports the belief that God exists and then uses weak logic to support it. [ ... ] Since theism rests solely on smoke, mirrors, and blind faith for it to work, it can be be dismissed ...
    dclements
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  • Idealism Simplified
    At minimum, 'idealism' implies (A) that brains are 'not mind-independent' and (B) that (a priori) 'minds are substances' rather than what brains do.
  • Cosmos Created Mind
    Ever a drunk in recovery/reflection, I'll drink to your fact-based, autopoietic story. :up:
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    [C]omplexities arise in steps from that simplex; the supposed 'God' is a complexity and thus cannot be First.PoeticUniverse
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    :eyes: wtf ...
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    Formalisms are vacuous and irrelevent with respect to claims about the (non-abstract) world.

    Cite a non-trivial example of a nonfictional religious text.

    Also, provide nonsubjective truth-makers for the following sine qua non truth-claims of theism:
    (1) at least one mystery
    (2) created the whole of existence and
    (3) causes changes to (i.e. intervenes in) the universe in ways which are nomologically impossible for natural agents or natural forces (re: "miracles").
  • Idealism Simplified
    The idealists collapse epistemology and ontology [what is known is equivalent to what there is], claiming there is no substantive distinction between the two, while the materialists maintain a substantive distinction [what is known is a fraction of, or exhausted by, what there is].Janus
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