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  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    I consider Spinoza an ecstatic rationalist. :fire:

    Spinoza was a mystic.Wayfarer
    And this means what? Not 'seeking union with a transcendent being/reality' (because Spinoza, in effect, argues that 'transcendence' is incoherent, illusory or superstitious).
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    [W]hy bother with philosophy?Wayfarer
    Spinoza says philosophy seeks understanding and that our freedom expands as our understanding deepens.

    For what reason was Spinoza exiled from the Jewish community?
    Probably because the very young Spinoza wouldn't keep to himself his critical view that the Torah fundamentally consists of 'superstitious myths' (which years later he expounds on in the masterful Tractatus Theologico-Politicus).

    Why undertake the laborious task of composing such complex and lengthy philosophical works, and why read them?
    Those who wish to share their understandings – wrestle with nontrivial conceptual & existential aporia – with other reflective thinkers read and write philosophical texts.

    Why is not any man in the street equal to the wisest?
    Unlike many philosophers, the "man in the street" simply isn't explicitly aware that he, like "the wisest", often doesn't know that he doesn't know or what he/we cannot know.

    If you [Wayfarer] want to understand Spinoza you need to actually read him.Janus
    :up: :up:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Future generations will see that trying to establish a Jewish state was a bad idea which just stained their religion with blood.frank
    :100:
  • Meaning, Happiness and Pleasure: How Do These Ideas Differ As Philosophical Ends?
    Again, you've lost me, Jack. Tell me what you may find problematic about the answers I gave to your question.
  • Meaning, Happiness and Pleasure: How Do These Ideas Differ As Philosophical Ends?
    is there any inherent purpose in life, including the evolution of human life and history?Jack Cummins
    With respect to (subpersonal) "life" in general, except conatus (i.e. "to persist in being" ~Spinoza), there is not any "purpose". As for "human life" in particular, neither to survive (i.e. "evolution") nor to thrive (i.e. "history") are "inherent" as far as I can tell.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Simplistic, I know – Iran has used Hamas to open the slaughterhouse-trap door and Israel is raging through it like a bull bristling with US/NATO arms & advsors. Soon less military aid for Ukraine and relief for Russia's failed invasion? :chin: TBD.
  • What are your philosophies?
    I like the world.Vera Mont
    :flower:
  • Meaning, Happiness and Pleasure: How Do These Ideas Differ As Philosophical Ends?
    Are you looking for discussion on what past and current philosophers have stated regarding 'meaning,' 'happiness,' and 'pleasure,' or are you asking for what these terms mean in the everyday lives of any TPF poster, including philosophy novices such as myself? — universeness
    @Jack Cummins it's also not clear to me (Epicurean-Spinozist by day & absurdist bluesman by night ... mostly) what you're asking in the OP.
  • Theory of mind, horror and terror.
    You have suggested that the point is moot, as developments in AI will make the point moot ...universeness
    :up:
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    Eternal recurrence strikes me as rather silly. After all, one doesn't know one is a recurrenceBanno
    I know the notion is quite ancient but Nietzsche conceives of 're-experiencing – consciously re-living – one's exact same life eternally' as a psychological (i.e. conative) thought-experiment, or test, of the degree which one affirmatively lives (i.e. becomes). Existentially, IMO, not a "silly" exercise at all.

    I have not found any idea or conception of "soul" (i.e. immortality) in Spinoza. I think you're mistaken, Wayf.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Israel has been beating a dog for years and now wants to retaliate because it was bitten. I'm quite certain many now feel justified to kill the dog, looking only at the bite, but any sane person realises that's not the real problem here.Benkei
    :100:
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    What would a 'public specification' comprise?Wayfarer
    Demonstrating ...
    ... what exactly is allegedly "reincarnated".180 Proof
  • Poll: Evolution of consciousness by natural selection
    Given the complexity of the human brain, comprehending it theoretically and thereby eliminating dysfunctions produced by the brain's organic defects probably requires more-than-human-intelligence (via cognitive augmentation and/or AGI). Technical capabilities of indefinitely postponing human senescence (i.e. disease & aging) is worth the price / risk of "them understanding us better than we understand ourselves" (or them), no? I think so.
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    None of that amounts to a cultural "taboo" as the growing pervasiveness of various Western "New Age" subcultures since the 1950s shows. "Reincarnation" simply does not make sense, except as an article of faith (i.e. figment of imagination), without publicly specifying what exactly is allegedly "reincarnated". It's an Eastern version of the so-called "afterlife" that's just as incoherent an idea as "disembodied subject", "north of the North Pole", etc. :sparkle:
  • Poll: Evolution of consciousness by natural selection
    Of course modern AI is becoming a necessary tool in neuroscientific experiments, but maybe there is a limit to the extent to which we want AI's to understand us better than we understand ourselves?wonderer1
    Maybe not. Why would we rationally want that?
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    :fire:

    A passive-aggressive front allows you to hide behind the pretence of innocence, even victimhood. Meh. I think your arguments are just poor.Banno
    :up:
  • Culture is critical
    Bottom line The learned belief system for democracy with liberty is- democracy is rule by reason and all citizens need education for good reasoning.Athena
    :roll:
  • Theory of mind, horror and terror.
    I agree with you that I am far more anthropocentric than you are.universeness
    I am not (consciously) "anthropocentric" at all.

    I think by now, you know that I celebrate that difference between us, and I would love to convince you to be less misanthropic than I think you are.
    I'm also not "misanthropic" at all.

    You're special pleading conflates difference of degree with (an unwarranted suggestion of) difference in kind.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Jenna Ellis, domino number 4 out 18 (3rd MAGA lawyer in five days) drops –

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/24/jenna-ellis-plea-deal-trump-georgia-election-case

    – more MAGA flips to come! :clap:
  • Theory of mind, horror and terror.

    Individually, we have done surprisingly well at letting the law or God carry out our vengeance. In groups, we have much less self-control; in mobs, none at all.Vera Mont
    FWIW, I found your meaning perfectly clear. :up:

    I just do not understand how you arrive at that.universeness
    Reread the preceding two-thirds of the sentence in question in order to grok the last third.

    I assumed, that you have previously agreed, that humans create meaning and purpose in ways that no other existent we know of, can or does. Do you disagree with that? 
    We "create meaning and purpose" for ourselves, that's all we "know" – which is merely parochial and anthropocentric – so big whup! Evidently, the universe doesn't care one wit. Copernicus' principle is consistent with Zapffe-Camus' absurd. On a cosmic scale, universeness, the whole of our quarter-milluon year young species is infinitesmal in significance (though that might change ever so slightly with the advent of our "last invention": AGI—>ASI). H. sapiens is only a few footprints in a cosmic surf which postbiomorphs might 'rediscover' as an anomalous fossil worthy of study. Apparently you've repeatedly ignored my stated position: We – all human civilizations – are just a cocoon, mate, not the butterfly. Denial of our manifest cosmic insignificance is, to my mind, religious. :sparkle: :pray: :eyes:
  • Theory of mind, horror and terror.
    How would you respond to a poll question like:

    Ignoring any bias from being one, do you think the universe would be a better place without humans?
    universeness
    It was just fine without human beings during the 13.8 billion years prior to a quarter million years ago so I suspect – consistent with the mediocrity principle – that the universe would be neither worse nor better off without us.

    I am not sure which mammals you are referring to with 'other higher mammals' ...
    I'm referring to
    - primates
    - cetaceans
    - elephantidae
    - (also) "domesticated" canines, felines, etc
  • Are you against the formation of a techno-optimistic religion?
    Maybe the following clarifies the point I tried to make here ...
    (A) taking customary questions and/or answers for granted (i.e. living somnambulantly)

    (B) faith in miraculous answers which we do not know how to question (i.e. living religiously)

    (C) contemplating fundamental questions which we do not know how to answer (i.e. living philosophically)
    Your proposed "optimistic technopaganism", Bret, seems suitable for maximizing (A) & (B) – far more completely than any human religious tradition or mystical practice ever has – at the expense of minimizing / eliminating (C). Ramification of bio-physical law: paths (A & B) of least effort / action, especially when facilitated-amplified by orders of magnitude (re: OP's 'ubiquitious, continuous cognitive automation'), trump any path (C) of more-than-least effort / action; in other words, a species-wide cyber-lobotomy. :eyes:
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    ... it is the soul that gets reincarnated; that thoughts, feelings, the body are not the self.baker
    So some impersonal entity, not me (i.e. not mine-ness), "gets reincarnated"? If that's the case, then I need not care about "the soul" and live as I like (maybe finding a purely immanent, this-worldly basis by which to survive and thrive in the here and now). :fire:
  • Theory of mind, horror and terror.
    ... if we are to survive as a species.NOS4A2
    How collectivist of you ... :mask:
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    Some (@Wayfarer) might say you're already on the "enlightened" path ...
  • What if the big bang singularity is not the "beginning" of existence?
    Given that sound arguments cannot be raised on the following basis, does it ever make sense to 'speculatively interpret' (i.e. philosophically, or categorically, generalize from) falsified or untestable claims about the universe / nature? If so, sir, explain why you think so. Thanks.
  • Theory of mind, horror and terror.
    It seems horror (i.e. cruelty-betrayal, oppression, dispossession, murder) breeds terror (i.e. anxiety-trauma, vengence, resistance, despair). In many regards, including this one, h. sapiens only differ in degree, not in kind, from other higher mammals.

    Individually, we have done surprisingly well at letting the law or God carry out our vengeance. In groups, we have much less self-control; in mobs, none at all.Vera Mont
    :up:
  • God, as Experienced, and as Metaphysical Speculation
    ... the interpretation of the pagan philosophers who acknowledged that there was but one God [Brahman, Dao, Void, Substance] and considered the many gods of traditional religion to be aspects [maya, ten thousand things, atoms, modes] of the one God.Ciceronianus
    :fire:
  • Poll: Evolution of consciousness by natural selection
    "Talk of consciousness is nonsense" (mostly) – folk psychology. "First-person subjective experience" is an intermittent, metacognitive illusion of sufficiently complex physical systems.
  • Culture is critical
    IMO, the (macro) ideological spectrum in the US from "1960" to "1990" ...

    • Progressive/Reform liberalism (center-left/right)

    • Laissez-faire liberalism (conservatives)

    • Illiberalism (reactionaries)

    Since "1990" ...

    • Progressive liberalism (center-left)

    Since "2010" ...

    • Laissez-faire liberalism (conservatives)

    Ergo: today (Weimar-like), center-right knife fighters are pinned-down in a reactionary gunfight.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    'Antisemitic Zionism' (especially since 1967) brutally oppresses both Palestinians & Israelis ...