On the contrary, I "ground" ethics and epistemology and ... "in rationality" (i.e. adaptive inferential-discourse). Maybe this divergence is why we're talking past each other.It seems like, and correct me if I am wrong, you ground rationality purely in ethics and not epistemology (and I do the opposite). — Bob Ross
To whom? For what? Like ecological or medical facts, the utility of "moral facts" is a function of context, Bob: that is, such facts oblige rational agents to posit hypothetical imperatives – normative practices – which are adaptive with respect to those facts as constraints.Moral facts are useless.
He hears the silence howling
Catches angels as they fall
And the all-time winner
Has got him by the balls
Oh, he picks up Gideons bible
Open at page one ...
I assume, @Bob Ross, you will take issue with this paraphrase and so I look forward to you making explicit its problems or confusions.I think that, in light of this, “rationality”, in the sense of “acting in a manner that agrees with reality”, can be objectively grounded insofar as the hypothetical imperative (of reducing suffering (i.e. species defects)) is a presupposition of ethics (ecology, medicine) and thusly not within it; and so “rationality”, which in the sense defined (above) is deeply rooted in ethical (ecological, medicinal) principles, is grounded in the objective ethical (ecological, medicinal) norms.
I'm a failed poet. Maybe every novelist wants to write poetry first, finds he can't and then tries the short story which is the most demanding form after poetry. And failing at that, only then does he take up novel writing. — William Faulkner
Only the questions are eternal. — Elie Wiesel
Except tautologically, how are you "100% certain" of anything at all?I am 100% certain that I am conscious but it is not possible for me to know with 100% certainty that my body, other humans, non-human organisms, the Earth and the rest of the Universe actually exist. — Truth Seeker
IMO, your un/mis-informed "4 precepts" are incoherent or false (as I've pointed out), so their "evidential values" are negative (à la e.g. candy cotton mountains, five-sided triangles, disembodied minds, etc). Again, go inform yourself, ucarr, by reading the rigorous (popular) studies on natural selection, etc by Mayr, Dawkins, Gould, Wilson et al.What do you think about the evidential value of these conjectural examples? — ucarr
Clouds, waterfalls & digestion, for examples, are not "intelligent".1) Intelligence is motion organized; — ucarr
Primate digestion does not adapt and yet viruses do adapt.2) Motion organized within sentients is adaptation;
Again, viruses adapt.3) Adaptation is sentient control of environment;
This might be breeding but it is not natural selection. Read Ernst Mayr. Read Richard Dawkins. Read Stephen J. Gould. Read E.O. Wilson. Read Daniel Dennett. :shade: wtf4) Sentient controlled environment selects for mutations that improve adaptation to environment
:up:It really doesn't matter if we call it 'philosophy' or 'fundamental ontology' [or] 'big picture synthesizing talk.' — plaque flag
4. Fulton County, GA, felony indictment1. NYC felony indictment
31Mar23 :up:
"34 counts of Business Documents Fraud Crealing and/or Covering-up Felonies", etc
https://apnews.com/article/trump-indictment-full-document-640043319549?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=RelatedStories&utm_campaign=position_02
2. Miami, Federal indictment
8Jun23 :up:
re: 37 counts "Mishandling Documents, Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice, Violating Espionage Act, Making False Statements to Federal Authorities, Witness Tampering" etc
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/08/donald-trump-charged-retention-classified-documents
9Jun23 Federal indictment unsealed ...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/09/trump-indictment-unsealed-pdf-text-criminal-charges
2.1 Miami, Federal Superceding Indictment (1)
27Jul23 :up:
+3 felony charges (+1 Espionage (32), +2 Obstruction), etc
+ new exhibit – "Iran war plan" documents (audio, July 2021)
3. Washington, DC, Federal indictment
1Aug23 :up:
re: 4 counts
• Conspiracy to Defraud the U.S.;
• Conspiracy to Obstruct an Official Proceeding;
• Obstruction of and attempt to Obstruct an Official Proceeding;
• Conspiracy to Deprive Voting Rights
1Aug23 Federal Indictment unsealed ...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/01/trump-indictment-full-text-2020-election-jan-6 — 180 Proof
Probably because h. sapiens are about a chromosome and a half away from p. troglodytes (chimpanzees).I would ask simple questions:
1. Why does one human wish to be more powerful and have more wealth than any other? — universeness
The history of h. sapiens' dominance hierarchies (i.e. civilizations, sovereigns / states, cults-communes) certainly suggests such a sociobiological "connection".Are such drives/motivations, 100% connected to our 'survival of the fittest, jungle rules, beginnings?'
In practice – dynastic-oligarchical dominance hierarchy.If so, then what does the notion of 'civilisation,' really mean to humans?
No. Not under conditions (status quo) of political-economic scarcity.2. Do you think 8 billion humans, fully co-operating, could achieve more than 8 billion humans competing under the control of an elite global few?
We haven't yet in over half a century. It's certainly not in the interest of shareholders who profit from – dominate by – exploiting natural and/or man-made / strategic scarcities.3. Can the human species find common cause, when we consider the scale of the universe and the resources available within it?
Eventually 'survival of the elitest' (millions, not billions) in scattered networks (sprawls) of AI-automated enclaves. Think: Ayn Randian dystopias à la Judge Dredd or Blade Runner (without Replicants).4. Consider unfettered capitalism in permanent action, forever unchallenged, what would you predict,
would be the main result of such a permanent global system, for our species?
:smirk:I've never read any of Schopenhauer's works, but [ ... ] — Gnomon
News flash @NOS4A2 – Anti-"Deep State" Federalist Society legal scholars argue that Seditionist-Traitor-Rapist1 is CONSTITUTIONALLY DISQUALIFIED from ever being POTUS again:Btw, DJT will be stricken from some key state ballots due to provisions in US 14th Amendment, Sec. 3 because of the findings of J6 Committee and subsequent state & federal indictments, so the fat old orange fascist fuck won't be able to run again in '24 (though he'll still be a player / spoiler of some sort.) — 180 Proof
:up:And on and on and hosanna. That is to say apparently gaslighting seems to be the answer. — schopenhauer1
The only deity consistent with a world (it purportedly created and sustains) ravaged by natural afflictions (e.g. living creatures inexorably devour living creatures; congenital birth defects; etc), man-made catastrophes and self-inflicted interpersonal miseries is either a Sadist or a fiction – neither of which are worthy of worship. — 180 Proof
Evolution explains the development of life and not its origin like (so called) "creationism", so it's no more a substitute for an inexplicable (alleged)"creator" than astronomy is "posited in place of" astrology or modern medicine is "posited in place of" faith-healing. Evidence-based stories and evidence-free (faith-based) stories have incommensurable discursive functions and are not interchangeable, or substituteable one for the other.In this conversation, I want to examine whether or not positing evolution in place of a creator amounts, in the end, to the same thing as ... — ucarr
"A creator" is either "posited in place of" We Don't Know Yet – as a creator-of-the-gaps placeholder – or bullshitted denialism of modern evolutionary biology.... positing a creator in place of evolution.
... or minimally egoic (e.g. Laozi's wu wei, Epicurus' aponia, Pyrrho's epochē, Spinoza's scientia intuitiva, Nietzsche's amor fati, Zapffe-Camus' absurd, Rosset's cruelty ...)So there's an existential decision to live in a beautifully impersonal way, which I understand as maximally social. — plaque flag
How about you – second person plural – such as Buber's Ich-Du (or even Dao)?I want to be us and not just me.
à la Meillassoux / Brassier! :fire:I want to strive heroically against my own petty finitude, toward the relative infinity of Feuerbach's species-essence.
This immanentist agrees. :up:Reality apart from human personality is a useful fiction. — plaque flag
Whatever reality is, reality necessarily excludes – negates – unreality (i.e. ontological impossibles (e.g. un-condittionals, un-changeables, reified ideas ('ideals'), etc)).What isthisreality ? — plaque flag
:up: :up:Zapffe himself pointed out that his produced works were the product of sublimation.
— Wiki
Becker and others make the same point. Life has a horrible aspect, and we meet it with narratives and symbols that mitigate that horror. The first heroic task as a child is ceasing to shit one's pants. A 'spiritual' being is a cultural or sublimated being — plaque flag
Flesh (facticity).What does the game of philosophy always presuppose ? — plaque flag
I suppose to the degree one believes the path is not the destination.The living breathing ontologist has a certain kind of personality. To what degree is philosophy a personal quest for honesty that leads toward a self-consciously critical and fallible conversation ? — plaque flag
IIRC, Husserl begins as a mathematician ... I imagine Spinoza, like Epicurus, would "take" thinking – reflective inquiry/practice – impersonally.Does the true scientist (I include, controversially, a person like Husserl) take science personally ? How else could it be taken?
Maps are not "far from" models yet neither are equivalent to the territory as (sub)personal – existential – biases would have us believe (re: folk psychology). Btw, I'm with Beckett (even Cioran): I don't think we ever "understand" one another any more than we chew swallow digest & shit one another's shits. :smirk:I don't think it's an accident that we understand one another and ourselves as total characters, nor do I think literature is far from ontology.
:point: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/827494I'm saying for my own self, not quoting scripture, that the ego is and must be flesh. No doubt a mystic can claim otherwise — plaque flag
Exemplary daily exorcisms of foolery (re: meta-ignorance (i.e. agnotologies (e.g. pseudo-discourses, sophistries)); expectations misaligned with reality (i.e. self-immiseration, alienation, dukkha); maladaptive habits of mind (e.g. mis/ab-uses of communication, judgment, knowledge), etc) aka "spiritual exercises".What can the philosopher offer ? — plaque flag
Apologies for continuing to flog this equine's carcass:We probably have passed the point of no return in some ways ... — universeness