Mythology (i.e. cults, folklores).Is there a name for the doctrine which claims that all religions are epistemically/veridically disjunct from each other? — Hallucinogen
Plenty. This article cites some of them:1. Any exemplar, reliable scientific studies you know of that claim this as fact? — universeness
To paraphrase G.K. Chesterton: Of course, not all believers are stupid but almost all the stupid people I've ever met are believers.I’m angry at stupidity because it leads to ignorance and ignorance leads to evil. — invicta
:up:There are those" seems to be covertly pointing at yours truly.
— Gnomon
Indeed.
Nowhere have I accused you of new ageism, nor of "science bashing"
The most I have "accused" (your word) you of is not being able to either follow or present a clear argument.
Despite the faux footnotes. — Banno
The mind is its own place and in it self can make a Heav’n of Hell, a Hell of Heav’n. — John Milton, Paradise Lost
The inhabitants of the earth are of two sorts: those with brains, but no religion, and those with religion, but no brains. — Abu al-Ala al-Ma'arri, pessimistic freethinker, d.1057 CE
:up:Cooperation being a stepping stone to a goal (wellbeing or flourishing), not the goal itself. — Tom Storm
... how the idea that morality is about solving cooperative problems can actually help in addressing the moral case for supporting or denying support to the Ukrainians against the Russians. — neomac
Your ideal of well-informed, rational people with shared goals and ideas is nowhere to be found. — Fooloso4
What is the relationship between morality and cooperative strategies? They are not, as you assume, one and the same. Cooperative strategies to achieve immoral goals are immoral cooperative strategies.
Deontology is not "the traditional perspective" but one traditional perspective. There are others. — Fooloso4
:100:Currently not understanding exactly how matter and energy interact to create a subjective experience does not negate the observed fact that matter and energy can interact to make a subjective experience. — Philosophim
:ok: Riiiiight, the whole thread failed "to read that paragraph properly". The phrase "evolutionary scale" doesn't have anything to do with natural selection since there is no telos at work in nature. Anyway, invicta, I take your lack of response to my post as your concession to the points made by me and the others cited there. :smirk:The apex of creation was followed by “evolutionary scale” if you two bothered to read that paragraph properly. No theological assumptions granted there. — invicta
:fire: :100:The constants of nature are ratios or balances. So they are “fundamental numbers” that emerge from processes in opposition.
The take home is that physics sounds reductionist to most ears, but it is actually structuralist in its metaphysics.
Reality is neither fundsmentally classical, nor even quantum. These are just the two matched limit state descriptions ... — apokrisis
'Man as apex-predator', yeah okay. No amount of "creationist" dogma, however, changes the fact that the human genome is more than 96% identical with the chimpanzee genome. We're just bald, locquacious (i.e. proselytizing, sermonizing, bloviating) primates in the animal kingdom. Oh yeah, our uniquely distinguishing superpower is that we're a knowledge-creating species; however, it's the knowledge, not us human primates, which is "separate and above" the animal kingdom. Human history "red in tooth and claw" provides the most graphic and repetitious testimony that humans are beasts not angels, inseparable from the animal kingdom, not "above" it. Also, Plato's Euthyphro is instructive as a cautionary tale about unsound reasoning from supernatural premises about "good and bad". :monkey:... the role of man as the apex of creation ... — invicta
:up: :up:I think humans are clever animals who use language to manage their environment. I see no reason to theologize humans or utilize categories like 'apex of creation...' — Tom Storm
:fire:We don't have an "animalistic side" -- we are all animal--animals descended from animals.
Our best selves may have flourished when we were wandering hunter-gatherers. Being civilized for several thousand years doesn't seem to have civilized us all that much. — BC
Just the opposite – what in the opening sentence of my last post isn't clear ...Are you saying that these are examples of the 'ruses or delusions' by which humans deny their own inevitable decay? — Wayfarer
... my use of [Buddhist ideas] as a metaphor from outside of the scientific worldview (re: entropy)? — 180 Proof
Are you asking about (a) Buddhist tradition or my use of it as a metaphor from outside of the scientific worldview (re: entropy)? If the latter, consider my post again, especially the second paragraph:To what end, though? — Wayfarer
That's quite uncharitable ... in light of what I wrote (also follow the embedded link):All you're saying wisdom consists of is resigning yourself to the inevitable natural fact of death and decay, isn't it?
is what I am "saying wisdom consists of".... striving to reduce foolery (& stupidity) seeks to align expectations with reality as an adaptive habit ... — 180 Proof
Neither. I think as a species we are inherently deluded – an organic alchemy of cognitive biases, maladaptive habits & akrasia – homo insapiens. 'Moral ramifications', I suppose, are a fallout from both our individual and collective struggles with – for and against – our delusions.... as to man’s nature are we inherently bad or good ? Or perhaps we are both ? — invicta
No. More so: anicca-anatta.Would you consider the possibility that this 'inherent disorder' is what is designated by 'avidya' (ignorance) in Buddhist and Hindu philosophy? — Wayfarer
Is that so? Well, in other related dharmic traditions, I understand that it is 'detachment from the psychological habit of permanence' (e.g. anicca-anatta) that facilitates 'liberation'.And that in those schools of traditional philosophy, it is precisely detachment from the imperatives of nature that provides the pathway to liberation (mokṣa, Nirvāṇa)?
You would know better than I, Wayfarer. I only raised 'Buddhism' as a speculative resemblance to, or psychological recognition of, to the fact of entropy – inherent disorder-ing – and the implications of denying, or ignoring, it (i.e. avidya).Whereas the identification with 'what decays and passes away' (in their terms) binds to the 'wheel of saṃsāra' (detachment from same being the aim of 'daily spiritual practice').
Sorry but :rofl: ...In the 20th century, Quantum physics undermined some of the basic assumptions of Classical Physics, by discovering that Nature does not present absolute Truth, but statistical Uncertainty. — Gnomon
:up:The neurology literature is full of examples of the disassociation of the conscious self from the awareness, experience and perception of the organism, blind sight is merely one example. — prothero
