I understand dasein as "being there"; it must be a kind of awareness, even if not reflexively self-aware. I agree that the separation of subject and object only obtains discursively; it is not the primordial nature of human experience. — Janus

No, I did not miss the point you made. My question remains, is processing speed or 'thinking' speed the only significant measure? Is speed the only variable that affects quality? — universeness

 It's time to move beyond 'thoughts and prayers.' — opening prayer by U.S. Senate Chaplain Barry C. Black, retired Navy Rear Admiral, on 3 March 2023

Fear, a double edged sword. Ditto for acting and public speaking. — Tom Storm

So, an acceptance/knowledge of death is a liberation from dread and anxiety and an open door to freedom? Does that resonate? — Tom Storm

It’s often argued that all the achievements and struggles of life mean nothing if it all ends in blackness. How so? Aren’t the moments themselves worthwhile? Is eternity the only criterion of value? This seems ugly to me.

What do others think about the role of death in their lives and the concomitant role it plays in their philosophical speculations. Was Montaigne right to say, 'To philosophise is to learn how to die.'

... human extinction; ineluctable nothingness – the radical contingency of the species, its fossils & histories, and our bloodied parade of civilizations – an echo of sighs & moans, laughter & screams fading even now and forever into oblivion. Music is made of silence, which merely interrupts with sudden soundscapes, each piece (i.e. an ephemeral world) ending like raindrops in the ocean. It's terrible knowing, feeling bone deep, that everything and everyone [ ... ] one day very soon in the cosmic scheme of things will be utterly forgotten as if all of it, all of us, had never existed. — 180 Proof

Do you personally assign a measure of 'quality' to a thought? Is thinking or processing faster always superior thinking — universeness

Assuming a neural network processes information 10⁶ times faster than a human brain, every "day" a human-level 'thinking machine' can think 10⁶ times more thoughts than a human brain, or rather cogitate 10⁶ days worth of information in twenty-four hours — 180 Proof

... do you envisage an AGI that would see no need for, or value in, 'feelings?' — universeness

I assume you have watched the remake of Battlestar Galactica.

Did you think the depiction of the dilemmas faced by the Cylon human replicates, were implausible, as a representation for a future AGI?

In what ways do you think an AGI would purpose the moon?

I am more interested is what you envisage as the goals/functions/ purpose/intent of a future AGI

Deadwood: Calamity Jane teaching American history. 'Custer was a cunt. The end.' — Tom Storm

My own god-posit is mostly an explanation for the god-gap in the Big Bang creation story. BB does not begin at the beginning, but assumes the prior existence of Creative Power and Directional Rules for evolution. So, like a Cosmologist, I reasoned backward from current conditions to see if there were any clues to the how & why of sudden emergence from Erewhon (nowhere).

I still saw a philosophical necessity for a Creation Myth to explain why there is something instead of nothing. — Gnomon

I remain unconvinced (for now,) that all of (what I would consider) the most valuable aspects of human consciousness, may not be achievable by any future AGI/ASI system — universeness

You will be happy. And controlled.

Unlike you, bert, folk psychological terms like "awareness" or "consciousness" are neither fundamental nor a priori in my understand of myself, others or nature; such concepts refer to emergent properties or processes. — 180 Proof

Politics is the continuation of religion by other means.

Question for 180 Proof: Are you taking as axiomatic that consciousness is a process ? — Art48

Isn't that the basis of the reification criticism?

After all, if consciousness is not a process but in fact an entity in its own right, then the reification criticism is unjustified, is it not?

I'd believe whether consciousness is a process or an entity is an open question. Agree?

So many people think that humans are soooo superior. — Sir2u

180 Proof what I meant to say was: Honestly, how do you distinguish between a fantasy and a non-fantasy? — Raef Kandil

180: You're welcome. Explaining other people is dirty work but somebody has to do it. — BC

From whence we come, wither we go. — Wayfarer

Well if one is to discuss whether god "exists" or not, it would be good to start with a discussion of what one means by "God". The source of much talking past each other. — prothero

One of the reasons the character Al fascinates me is that he's a philosopher with bloody hands ... — green flag

Change ain't looking for friends. Change calls the tune we all dance to.

In life you have to do a lot of things you don’t fucking want to do. Many times, that’s what the fuck life is… one vile fucking task after another.

Don’t you think I don't understand. I mean, what can anyone of us ever really fuckin' hope for, huh? Except for a moment here and there with a person who doesn't want to rob, steal or murder us? At night, it may happen. Sun-up, one person against the fuckin' wall, the other may hop on the fuckin' bed trusting each other enough to tell half the fucking truth. Everybody needs that.

I’d rather try touching the moon than take on a whore’s thinking.

Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.

Pain or damage don’t end the world, or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you’re dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man… and give some back.

Do they understand how most of what happens is people being drunk and stupid and trying to find something else to blame besides that that makes their lives totally fucked? No. They don't.

Every fuckin’ beatin’ I’m grateful for. Every fuckin’ one of them. Get all the trust beat outta you. And you know what the fuckin’ world is.

Truth is, as a base of operations, you cannot beat a fucking saloon. — Thus Spoke Al Swearengen (a boss cocksucker of Deadwood of the Dakota territory)

Who says? — Eugen