Definitely the latter, so I'll take my chances with the former. — 180 Proof

Yeah I live in New York where my vote will not matter towards the EC, and yet will still (99% likely) vote for Biden in order to boost the difference in the popular vote (should a number of things go wrong). However, I also anticipate the political ineptitude of a Biden administration to willfully confront various issues which demand immediate and radical solutions. To @Merkwurdichliebe point, we are all losers in this one: "losing one's legs" (i..e Biden presidency) makes us (i.e. the Left) "losers". We can accept this now and strategize rather than seemingly remain complacent with it.

Either way we are gonna bleed to death!

In what way, Maw? — david plumb

It doesn't mean anything

attended the same wedding a Saturday ago. 120 attending, multiple states and only 2 people were wearing masks with no physical distancing. — ArguingWAristotleTiff

WHYYYYYYY????????

The Anatomy of Fascism by Robert Paxton
Male Fantasies V1: Women, Floods, Bodies, History by Klaus Theweleit

Is not the purpose of discourse to expose bad ideas? If we ban people based on what they believe (rather than how they express it according to certain rules of discourse) then that becomes impossible, and discourse has failed. — DingoJones

Holocaust deniers, Neo-Nazis, Racists, Misogynists, etc. don't want to engage in discourse. They want to pontificate. They want to spread ideas to other people, often young people or easily persuadable or naïve people. We are now facing repercussions of major social website such as Facebook or Twitter or YouTube ranging from attempted kidnapping, rallies that end in murder, conspiracy cults, to outright genocide, because they failed to ban such people, and moderate the content on their website.

Others, like Flat-Earthers, 9/11 Truthers etc. are just stupid. No different then someone advocating miasma theory over germ theory.

In both cases, it's perfectly acceptable for the moderators of the website - or whatever platform - to control and maintain the quality of the website. If this site was overrun by racist users and subject matter would you stay? I wouldn't.

woke culture is not real

Apparently Rudy Giuliani was told the girl was 15 so......

Guy was a nut. As for NOS4A2, best I can say is he provides a certain diversity of opinion. No other comment. — Baden

But he's a bigger nut!

I’ll be glad that this intolerable fascistic shit show ends — Saphsin

I'll be glad to take a step back from encroaching fascism too; the last four years have been incredibly stressful to say the least even at a personal level. However, even when (if) Trump leaves office we'll still have numerous and existential problems that existed when he entered, including severe wealth inequality, which greatly metastasized during the pandemic, a growing police state with demonstrably little accountability, and now new problems like a fascistic cult germinating within and abetted by the Republican Party, a now solidly right-wing Supreme Court that can strike down major Democratic policies, and perhaps most critical of all - a relentless global warming crisis. Of all the candidates that entered the Democratic primary, Biden seems to me one of the least capable of handling the present and future crises. To that end I find it odd that so many are ganging up on @StreetlightX for articulating valid concerns regarding Biden's ability to confront these multifaceted issues as well as his culpability in a number of them. A vote for Biden is a rejection of Trump of course, but more more subtly it also entails a continuation of neoliberal policies and outmoded institutional practices that landed us here in the first place that require confrontation, and I think accepting and grappling with that reality, rather than coping with Biden through mental gymnastics, places us in a better position.

You are out of your tiny fucking mind if you are making excuses for a 76 year old about to take his dick out for a 25 year old.

Excited to get rid of Trump maybe? — Benkei

Two distinct things

Sorry, I'm half following this. Are we supposed to be excited for Biden/Harris?

I'm just glad I live in NYC where my vote in the general means nothing.

Wow can't believe NOS hasn't posted about the latest devastating NYPost hit piece on Joe Biden, here is an excerpt:

A raw series of text messages show Joe Biden offering fatherly comfort as his son, Hunter, lamented from a rehab facility about being a “f–ked up addict who can’t be trusted” and had damaged his dad’s political career.

The intimate family exchange took place on February 24, 2019, two months before Joe launched his campaign for the White House.

“Good morning my beautiful son. I miss you and love you. Dad,” the elder Biden wrote at 6:57 a.m.

Joe's campaign will never recover from this.

It sounds like they are going to keep dropping articles like this. — NOS4A2

Wow sounds like the Trump campaign is flailing

Beto O'rourke is what keeps people around here awake at night — ArguingWAristotleTiff

Why does he skateboard at night?

Seem to recall a very smart person say that only math and alcohol require "proof", and that, for everything else, evidence should suffice.

I heard they started sterilising women there? The Rome Statute classifies that as a crime against humanity, — Michael

Yes we love committing crimes against humanity in this country we honestly can't help ourselves.

I take it Stephen is a cunt. Why is he a cunt? — Benkei

He has spearheaded the Trump administration's racist immigration policies including the concentration camps.

Oh fuck yes Stephen Miller has it

New Project Veritas video, this time about ballot harvesting in Ilhan Omar’s district. Rigged elections. — NOS4A2

:joke:

I’ll reserve judgement until he offers some evidence. — NOS4A2

Lmao

You mean the guy claiming he was set up? — NOS4A2

This story right here, can't miss it.

you gonna comment on the project Veritas fiasco or nah?

Remember that Project Veritas story @NOS4A2 assured us was very real

Trump died

Apparently the administration knew Trump had tested positive for Covid at least a full day before the official announcement and tried to hid it until his symptoms became overt. During this time he had attended a rally in which he potentially infected more people

This handwringing is incredible.

What exactly would the consequences be if that happened? Let's try to do the calculus.
1. Pence becomes Pres.
2. The Republicans nominate a younger more dynamic stand-in for the trumpees
3. Republicans sweep the elections — magritte

This isn't calculus this is just make-believe. Pence doesn't have the support of the GOP base that Trump possesses, and he certainly doesn't have enough time to form a solid voting coalition.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm...... — creativesoul

No pretty straightforward: liberals would rather attach themselves to fascists than socialists.

Bernie had a heart attack literally a year ago to the day and received far less support from the Democratic elite than Trump did today for contracted a virus he exacerbated.

Wishing Trump a speedy recovery so he can continue killing us

That reminds me of a certain advertisement Trump bought 30 years ago.

Well, I oppose the death penalty, so it's only fitting that I don't want someone – anyone – to die from a sickness. — Michael

Dying from the death penalty, a government sanctioned punishment, seems to me to be very different from a disease.

Wishing Trump well or denouncing those hoping he dies/suffers implies that he exists in some sort of moral vacuum; that he has had no actual impact on people's lives in the last 4 years, not to mention his entire lifetime. This is a man who explicitly said earlier this year than he knew the virus would be deadly, but downplayed it because he didn't want the American people to panic. Now we have over 200,000 Americans dead, and hundreds of thousands more whose lives are irreparably changed because they lost loved ones, suffer from long term effects after having recovered, lost their jobs or businesses, etc. Expressing sympathy for Trump and denouncing those who don't is just vacuous moral signaling; an attempt to display moral high ground when it in fact signals the opposite.

I haven't felt this good since Sanders won Nevada

I'm actually his doctor. He has it

I'm so excited I dont think ill be able to sleep tonight

:pray: