If science says something that is obviously wrong philosophically, follow philosophy because it can define what truth is and science can't. — Gregory
You are confusing idealism with anti-realism. They are not the same thing. There is an entire subset of idealism called "objective idealism," that accepts the reality of external objects. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Earl Gray? — Banno
But any object that is extended in space will be infinitely divisible. Yet nothing can be infinitely divisible, for that would involve it having infinite parts - which is to posit an actual infinity. There are no actual infinities in reality, thus there are no extended things. — Bartricks
self evident truths of reason. — Bartricks
Oh do pay attention. That is NOT what I said, is it? — Bartricks
But what you're doing is assuming the truth of a worldview and then rejecting premises that imply its falsity. That's dogmatism. — Bartricks
He's saying: you assume the reality of the objects of experience, but what are 'objects', unless you've assimilated them into your mind via the synthesis of data, sensation, perception and understanding? — Wayfarer
Now, Berkeley concluded that the sensible world is made of another mind's mental states. He didn't just assert it. He arrived at the conclusion from apparent self-evident truths of reason alone. — Bartricks
And sensations can only resemble other sensations, yes? — Bartricks
That tells me you didn't understand the point of my post, but I've been down this rabbit hole umpteen times in the past, so I'll leave it there. — Wayfarer
otice that your question assumes a perspective outside that of the subject of those experiences. — Wayfarer
You don't know what idealism is, do you? — Bartricks
Do you think an idealist denies that covid exists? — Bartricks
What do you think an idealist will say about covid? That there is no covid? — Bartricks
Now, you seem to think covid poses a problem. Why? — Bartricks
Of course it's odd. An idealist might argue that we have centuries of thinking that the material world is a pure representation of reality. — Tom Storm
So no doubt COVID, or falling off a cliff for that matter, are representations of something happening in consciousness when viewed from a particular perspective. — Tom Storm
Can you paint? I ask because if you paint you view the world as sensations rather than as objects. — Bartricks
It puzzles me why you think idealism is challenged by the existence of any sensible thing or process. — "Bartricks
Using your eyes. — bongo fury
Which brings us back to the point you made earlier, of explaining how it is that you and I seem to see the same stuff as we look out of our little cages. Why should that be? — Banno
Right, it's a body/world collaboration, which we, in our usual dualistic manner, conceive of as an artificial separation between the two. — Janus
we just see things. — Janus
Pictures in the head. Where would philosophy be without them? — bongo fury