I need a shower and I'm done engaging with race hustlers. :monkey:

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Hamas terrorizes Israel the ethnostate oppressor of Gaza — 180 Proof

Israel doesn't oppress Gaza, it "oppresses" Hamas/the PLO and those Palestinians who bring harm to Israel. Like how a cop oppresses a criminal which seeks social destruction. If the cop acts, it's "oppression." I don't buy it.

The obvious problem is that not every palestinian is a criminal, but the entire population has essentially been galvanized against israel from an early age. so israel must be cautious if it seeks to survive and protect itself.

Hamas murders Jews simply because they are Jews.
Hamas, radical Islam, seeks world domination and to spread Islam far past the Middle East.
Hamas executes homosexuals
They are virulently anti-feminist and suppress women's rights
They routinely arrest and torture their own dissidents

Hamas refuses to accept any independent Jewish political entity in the region and that is what they see as oppression because they consider themselves (Islam) as entitled to everything.

And anti-semitic propaganda is widespread and embedded in children's books. But no, they're oppressed which apparently makes them good. :roll:

Well so are Israelis which are subject to a genocidal neighbor which refuses to accept theirn autonomy.

Here is the google definition of ethnostate:

a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group. "they actively promoted the concept of a white ethnostate"

Israel does not restrict citizenship to Jews. It's neighbors are arab-muslim nations which protect arab-muslim interests but God forbid those Jews have their own state that's racist. :vomit:

If you were to ask me who's closer to Nazis IDF or Hamas the answer is Hamas and it's not remotely close. You're the delusional one if you think otherwise.

Israel has always been a pariah. But keep believing body count is the main determinant of morality.

You get the gist. Both Hamas and the Nazis intentionally murder civilians solely because they belong to a certain ethnic/national group. The highest form of evil. Israel does not murder Palestinians because they are Palestinians. Hamas will murder Jews simply because they are Jews/Israelis (certainly the latter, almost certainly the former). You might not see a difference, but civilization and philosophers do.

If you only view evil through body count your perspective gets really, really weird. Like that would say that the US army from 1941-1945 was much, much worse than al-Qaeda.

Hamasniks.

Peace-loving noble people.

Are you okay with kristalnacht 2.0 if the target was jews zionists?

You're seemingly ok with jihadi protestors blocking Jews from campus. Would you be alright if they blew up a synagogue or a Jewish theater? When does it go too far, if ever?

Why are you mad? I agreed with you. The Palestinians are a noble and peaceful people while those Jews over there are racists who hate Palestinian happiness.

No, I did not make that claim.

I only say 300,000 indigenous German children murdered.

300,000 indigenous German children murdered in the Second World War and the Allies think they're the good guys.

the brownshirt does not have a sense of humor. some things never change. :zip:

Yes, the Jews are racist but the Palestinians are a noble people. Some of the noblest on Earth. You've convinced me.

The number is higher if you just include all arab children killed by jews. why limit it to 10/7? the oppression is constant and never ending.

I'm on your team now.

I stand with the indigenous Palestinian people of Palestine - a noble people who are indigenous to the land of Palestine and have built great Palestinian civilizations consisting of rich and brilliant Palestinian artwork and architecture. The indigenous palestinian population of palestine who only strive to be free and happy have unfortunately been oppressed by the wicked zionist forces who are opposed to all Palestinian happiness in all ways, shapes, and forms. FREE FREE FREE PALESTINE.

This is actually way more fun than being a Zionist.

The number is more than 15,000 if you include the christian children sacrificed in their blood rituals. What do you say we rough up a few of them? Vandalize their businesses? They're pro-genocide zionists what's the problem? I just care so much about the indigenous Palestinian people I can hardly contain it anymore.

That's right, and don't forgot how those nasty little Zionists stabbed Germany in the back during the Great War in which 2 million Germans were murdered. And don't forgot those Christian children used for their Zionist sacrifices in the Middle Ages. Those Zionists have been at it for a while! Don't you think it's time we did something about them, Mikie?

Where did your mod powers go? Did the zionists do this to you?

Thanks for your insight into Jewish racial issues, rabbi :lol: :lol: :lol: :death:

Please tell us more about the various types of Jews and their oppression levels relative to one another.

Jews are one family. No Jew would tell you that they are indigenous to Poland. Or do you know better than them?

We are indigenous.

Ah yes, those Jews have been wicked since the time of Joshua yet other groups are just oppressed little angels. But those Jews don't deserve justice due to their own wickedness. They've forfeited that.

You know we have a word for this.

There were naive and weak Jew who sympathized with the Reich and the brown shirts in the 30s as well. It's nothing new. JVP is just a front, nothing more. There is a Jewish community and it has a voice and it's not with JVP.

trans/gay folk marginalized — RogueAI

I don't think Trump is anti-gay, but his anti-trans rhetoric seems mostly aimed at prevent kids from transitioning and "trans ideology" as opposed to actually blocking HRT access to trans adults. We've seen the rates of self-reported transgenderism skyrocket in the past few decades. One can be supportive of trans individuals while at the same time being critical of a movement which seemingly just lets in anyone and now apparently includes non-binary under the trans label. Take it from someone who works in the community.

tbh I see men who are very unhappy gravitate here not because they're really feminine but because they a) want to try something new and b) they hope transition will cure their unhappiness. And while they may climb the sexual hierarchy and be able to attract more partners it often comes at the cost of sterilizing themselves. If an adult wants to make that decision fine, but please don't promote it to kids.

I despise Biden. For many reasons. There's been no strong response to these campuses protests which involve vandalism (and apparently now hostage taking) and protestors barring Jewish students from campus in scenes reminiscent of the 1930s in Europe. He's made our border much less secure and we've seen a marked rise in illegals. Our country is decidedly less safe and less civilized than it was in the past. I go into convenience stores and big box retailers and $30 items are locked up. Zero civic trust.

He routinely makes a mockery of his own "faith." He made the sign of the cross at an abortion rally a few days ago. He stands for nothing. He is neither mentally not physically fit to hold office yet the Democrats bolster him up while others run the show. Nobody likes him and seemingly the only thing going for him is that he isn't Trump. That's his brand. The best thing he could do is step aside but he wouldn't as he is a dinosaur and a career politician and he has an ego which frequently leads him to being fucking ridiculous like bragging to Howard Stern on his radio show that women in the 70s sent him scandalous pics when he was in Congress. Gotta let everyone know what a stud you are.

No wonder other countries don't respect us. We have a guy who strives desperately for the approval of popular radio hosts like Stern. He's so insecure. Hoping one day to gain the respect of others like Stern which stems from a deep seeded insecurity about his own self-worth. America's status in the world has declined under Biden.

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10/7 was attempted genocide. But weakness is goodness for you, so you wail against the strong in their response.

You don't understand the people, the culture, or the religions of the region. All you care about is whatever some incredibly corrupt international organization decides which consists of members much, much worse than Israel. Where are the ICC arrest warrants for Hamas leaders in Doha?

All states oppress, and even if they didn't the citizenry will have their own biases.

Lebanon was 40 years ago. RoEs change. I will not pretend to be familiar with the IDF's RoEs but ChatGPT tells me they're in line with international standards.

It's hard to get accurate casualty counts because the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry does not distinguish between civilian and combatant. Recently it was revealed that they had only had data for 22k of the supposed ~33k dead. And Israel, last I checked claimed 13k Hamas dead. And according to the IDF Hamas's own rockets misfire and land in Gaza 12% of the time.

True information is hard to come back and impossible to verify for the public. But war in Gaza is a very unusual type of war unlike any modern war given the sheer degree of embeddedness of the enemy in the civilian population. Hamas has been seen firing rockets in civilian clothes. Imagine fighting that.

Ultimately, imho, it doesn't really matter. Even before Israel responded to 10/7 there was cheering and protests against it. Once Israel is seen as epitome of injustice and racism there's really nothing Israel can do. They've lost the propaganda war among Gen Z. Israel could be very humane, civilians would still die because that is war, and there would still be protests.

What is wrong with my argument that Israel should fight as Americans fought when fighting Al Qaeda and ISIS and avoid civilian casualties? — ssu

Israel has a very humane combatant to civilian ratio. I don't see what there is to complain about.

What's wrong with refraining from calling Gaza the evil city and the population "Human animals"? — ssu

Are these from Ben Gvir or Bibi? Ben Gvir is the hard right. Didn't GWB have similar rhetoric after 9/11? What can I say? Emotions run high. Hamas is a very wicked organization and I don't know how else to frame it. What does one say when one's people have suffered the worst massacre since the Holocaust and their neighbors are out on the streets celebrating en masse? Yet we're suppose to be civilized.

You are referring to things like the Gospel of Thomas I am guessing? That is another topic altogether, but Church canon about the gospels has been established from a very early time, and they were aware of these gospels and perhaps others that are still lost. — Lionino

The Church and the "instagram hippie" are often drawing from the same texts (e.g. the canonical gospels) but drawing different conclusions when it comes to interpretation. In Judaism we settle this tension through the Talmud by discussing these interpretations in depth. How does authoritative interpretation work in the context of the Church?

In Judaism there's also midrash which is expanded, extra-biblical "tradition" stories such as concerning, for instance, Abraham's childhood in Ur. These don't contradict Scripture, merely expand on it a bit in ways that inform our theology. I do not know whether the Church has this. These could be accused of being "fan fics" unless they're true.

Mikie, why don't you go punch a few babies? And to anyone who calls you out on it - you just bring their attention to Gaza. So people who go around punching or burning babies aren't necessarily bad people, Israel is much worse after all. And you oppose Israel which makes you good.

After all, the objective here is to make opposing the policies of the state of Israel to be anti-semitism. — ssu

We can all oppose Bibi's policies, but opposing an Israeli response to 10/7 is ridiculous. What does any other country do when 1200 of its are murdered by terrorists? According to ChatGPT Netanyahu has not announced any plans to reinstate Israeli settlements in Gaza (who would even want to go back there?)

Bibi also notes the insane rise in anti-Semitism on college campuses - a phenomenon which virtually all Jews have taken note of and at least here in America have led many lose their historic loyalty to the Democratic Party. Like much of America, we're tired of the racist DEI tirades and double standards where violent rhetoric against certain groups is accepted and encouraged, while other groups are treated as a protected, oppressed class.

Police know what's up though and they've started covering up holocaust memorials near the protests because they know these get vandalized. It's a very troubling phenomenon for Jews worldwide.

Maybe it was the thugs flying Hezbollah flags. Sure they're an organization that's killed hundreds of Americans, but that's surely not a problem for you. They're totally, like, anti-imperialists.

It is not about worldview, I am saying it how it is. The teachings of Jesus are given through the Church, not through some Instagram hippie's interpretation of the Bible, which was compiled by the Church. It is like talking about the story of Harry Potter and referring to fanfictions online instead of the writings of JK Rowling. — Lionino

We have the gospels and some are canonical and some are not. If people stick to the four canonical ones then we're interpreting from the same texts. The Catholic Church will have it's lens through which it interprets, just as the Jews will say one must know Talmud/oral law/study our own sages in order to understand the Bible (Tanakh in their case). I've found this approach somewhat stifling, personally.

If one seeks to understand Jewish tradition read the Talmud. If one seeks to understand Catholic tradition read Aquinas and/or Augustine etc. Regardless, these thinkers have valuable insights which aid in understanding the text quite greatly. But sometimes insights are also added purely for theological cohesion.

Yet the book can also be understood and insights gleaned from other sources outside of religious tradition. Literature, anthrpology, and archaeological findings can bear greatly on our understanding of Scripture.

If only Christians carried out Jesus's "teachings"; and I don't even mean social etc. If they sought, personally, to transcend convention and complacency on the level of "love your enemies" and "hate your family," oh, what a world this would be. — ENOAH

I do try to carry out "love your enemy" but I also keep in mind "do not throw your pearls to the pigs" -- do not give one's best to one who is undeserving. Jesus's teachings can leave one ripe for exploitation, but Jesus knows this so he tells his disciples “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves." Yet at least some of Jesus's followers do carry swords.

In any case, the world is complex and different dispositions are suitable for different circumstances. One of my favorite teachings is when Jesus tells his followers "the greatest among you will be your servant" and I love how Jesus turns servitude into something so powerful and potent and strong. In some crowds (typically more mature, spiritually elevated ones) an attitude of servitude and helpfulness will get you far but in others it could be quite dangerous. His teachings often beckon to an ideal -- very useful to know and keep in mind, but one ought to be "wise as a serpent" when it comes to implementation.

Another user, Count Timothy von Icarus, mentioned this idea of metanoia i.e. self transformation through the gospels through the internalization of these teachings and this, for me, is close to what I have in mind when I talk about Christianity, as an outsider.

Just my two cents.

There's viral footage of Jewish students being barred from their college campuses by protestors. The rabbi of an Ivy league school called for Jews to leave campus because it was unsafe and there have been physical attacks. Hezbollah flags are present and protesters are calling for violence and repeats of 10/7. When you see footage and pictures of Jews being barred from campus it's eerie seeing the same poses from Austria 1938 by brownshirts linking arms to do the blocking. The jihadis and the far left are in bed together. Same shit, slightly different language. Still good races and bad races.

One of the student protest leaders at Columbia was recently caught saying "Zionists don't deserve to live." He was luckily expelled, but probably only because it went viral. Khymani James.

I think I agree with you. Def more Siddhartha than Moses.

I find him fascinating and radical. Very polarizing. I didn't grow up Christian and I get the sense that Christians from birth don't find Jesus polarizing but I do (because I was raised Jewish.) My academic interests are mostly with the Hebrew Bible, but on a personal/spiritual level I find Jesus fascinating. I kind of try to straddle the line and follow both, at least as far as it's possible.