So, in a very general way, it's about what we believe. — Sam26

Can be. Sounds too epistemological to me though.

Sure. It’s just funny coming from a delusional Trump supporter— as though prosecuting a degenerate con man will finally bring down America law.

Genocide apologists are not only stupid and unfunny, and fail at satire — but they’re also extremely boring. :yawn:

don't think vote spikes prove fraud — Lionino

…

so any fraud to secure such a win would be impossible not to expose. Were there also vote spikes late into the game in 2008? — Lionino

:lol: Not even aware we can go back and find what was said.

5 foot 5 in your town where the average male height is 6 feet, which is why you are so feminine (imagine using ellipsis!) — Lionino

:lol:

The 4Chan incel mentality strikes again. Obsessed with goofy ideas of masculinity and their own latent homosexuality. Thank you for displaying your insecurities about your height and manliness. Keep up with those protein shakes.

Anyway— good job deflecting away from your imbecilic claims about voter fraud. Still waiting for the evidence…oh wait, it’s just “obvious.” Nevermind. :ok:

Societies can be sick. — BitconnectCarlos

Yeah yeah, your racism is well documented. But thanks for the reminder.

Was Biden the rightful winner or not?
— RogueAI

I don't know, I am not all-knowing — Lionino

70% chance that he is — Lionino

:rofl:

Is Biden actually an alien from Neptune? Don’t know…I’m not all knowing! I give it a 20% chance that he is. Because I read Twitter.

Were there also vote spikes late into the game in 2008? https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27Q304/ — Lionino

And then links to an article completely debunking the stupid, stupid claim that “vote spikes” (for both Trump and Biden) are somehow evidence of “fraud.”

What a complete embarrassment. But please keep speaking of things for which you’re humiliatingly ignorant. It goes in line with…literally everything else you post.

Fact: the election was the most secure and clean in history.

Morons: “except for the THOUSANDS of dead voters and tourists and immigrants!”

What evidence? None, it’s just “obvious.”

Did it affect the election? No, not saying that.

Apparently some people need a course in probability and statistics.

The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, has been monitoring election fraud cases state by state. Election fraud covers a range of activities — such as registering someone to vote and forging their signature, filling out an absentee ballot for someone who has died or moved away, voting while ineligible, or pretending to be someone else at the polling place and voting. They find that there have been 1,465 proven cases of election fraud — 1,264 of these resulted in criminal prosecutions and the remainder resulted in civil prosecutions, diversion programs, judicial findings, or official findings.

These may sound like big numbers, however, they must be examined in context. The findings encompass more than a decade of data during which, nationally, hundreds of millions of votes have been cast. For instance, in Texas, Heritage found 103 cases of confirmed election fraud. However, those 103 ranged from 2005 to 2022 during which time over 107 million ballots were cast. There were 11 million ballots cast in the 2020 presidential election alone. The fraud in Texas amounted to 0.000096% of all ballots cast — hardly evidence of a fundamentally corrupt system.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/widespread-election-fraud-claims-by-republicans-dont-match-the-evidence/

I guess 0.000096% is a lot when dealing in feelings. To the rest of the world, it’s not worth mentioning any more than the epidemic of getting stuck by lightning (which is more likely).

I say it how it is — Lionino

an election where thousands of tourists and dead people voted — Lionino

“Like it is.”
:rofl:

In other words: “I find this obvious because of a feeling I picked up somewhere from 4Chan about trans kids or something.”

Voter fraud that is caught is extremely rare, which is a given in your failed State. — Lionino

:rofl:

Oh I see. So there’s “obvious” widespread voter fraud— but no evidence of it because it’s never caught, despite Trump and his idiotic followers like you screaming about fraud for years and more intense scrutiny on voting than ever before. But we know there is, because Trump says so. So it’s obvious. No need for evidence — we can “feel” it.

No surprise you hold yet another stupid, stupid position. And why you still cannot provide one shred of evidence. Are you a Creationist as well?

But when it came to my attention that your schooling systems teaches sex fluidity before Europe not being a country and writing skills, it is unshocking that you graduated. The perfect cosmopolitan drone to send taxes to Israel and eat grass. — Lionino

:chin: This was almost coherent. Almost.

Keep taking your English-as-second-language courses though. You’re doing great. :up:

Let's imagine that members of this forum can magically change the past. What would you change? — Truth Seeker

I would tell myself not to read this OP.

( :wink: )

will discredit the American justice system for years to come

:lol:

Melodrama.

:up:

But the hypothesis is that UBI is successfully implemented. So what happens as a result of that is at least in part altered by that. — Pantagruel

I’m a little confused with your anaphors here.

If UBI is successfully implemented, the result is altered by its success? How does this relate to taxes?

against the interests of the elite — Pantagruel

In the same way that Medicare and Medicaid do, or giving overtime, or increasing the minimum wage, etc. Social programs aren’t loved, but since taxpayers fund them— and they mostly avoid paying taxes (or pay a lower percentage than middle class folks) — it’s not such a problem.

If, in order to fund UBI, we increase taxes on the rich — then you’d see an outcry.

But even in that case (raising taxes on the rich), the problem I mentioned remains: the decisions (in production, and by extension in government [thanks in part to Citizens United]) still remain in the hands of a power elite. Roughly the kind C. Wright Mills discussed.

What is socialism?

To me, socialism— and communism — aim for the same basic thing: freedom and democracy. That the production of a human society — the workplace, the corporation, the factory, whatever — should be run democratically, by and for the people, like the US professes to care about regarding its government— is a no brainer. No reason the same attitude we hold about government can’t be applied to production.

With that simple change — democracy at work — the rest will likely follow. No more 90% of profits going to shareholders in the form of dividends and share buybacks, no more CEO pay of 400 times the median worker salary, no more stagnant real wages, no more key decisions placed in the hands of a board of directors, themselves chosen by (and members of) the elite group of major shareholders in the world.

So to answer the question: it doesn’t make it obsolete until you tell us what it is. By my thinking, UBI doesn’t solve the real problem, which is one of power: the decisions being in the hands of a self-perpetuating, small elite of private owners.

It’s good to revisit this thread every couple years. My own view hasn’t changed: Philosophy, to me, is questioning — particularly the asking of universal human questions.

Quite apart from a narrow view of academic tenure and professionalism — one more division of labor — this broader view affords me the ability to take equally seriously what’s often claimed as “separate” — religion, art, science, etc. Which has been very useful in my general learning and practical engagement with people in the real world.

It reminds of Descartes, but it is not strictly the same. — Lionino

I didn’t say it was the same— it has unique features. But in line with the tradition, in my view, of being an utter waste of time.

In the Matrix, the humans' minds and consciousness are still coming from their brains. Simulation theory goes way beyond that. — RogueAI

I know— says it’s from a computer. The same basic concept. Replace the computer with a dream of a malicious demon, and it’s basically the same thing.

All of it is cooked up by the human mind, including the meaning of reality, simulation, computer, etc. Just a silly waste of time.

Israel is going after rapists — Moses

Yeah, those 15 thousand babies had quite the assault record.

See above re: genocide apologists.

That this reality may be a simulation and “in every way the same” as the “real world” is simply the deus deceptor. Which is all the Matrix was; which is all simulation “hypothesis” nonsense is: reheated, reworked Descartes.

That it’s just reheated Descartes and silly.

Genocide apologists, apart from being morally repugnant, are also really stupid.

So Israel rejecting ceasefire and going to complete its genocide despite international condemnation.

Last year the eu set up a second ets to bring in some previously excluded sectors, such as road transport and domestic heating, by 2027. For fear of a political backlash, this “ets2” has a clause to suppress its carbon price, should it rise above €45 a tonne in the first three years. Still, the aim is to reduce these sectors’ emissions by 42% by 2030, compared with 2005, and to issue no new permits for them after 2044.

These carbon prices should be enough to bring about the lion’s share of the 90% reduction envisaged for 2040, provided that politicians have the courage to avoid interfering if higher carbon prices become too painful for consumers and industry.

The second factor that may help is Russia’s war in Ukraine. When gas prices jumped in 2022, firms were forced to cut their energy use or close production lines. This lowered emissions from ets-covered industries by 5% in 2022 and another 7% in 2023. Although gas prices have now fallen, the disadvantage in fossil-fuel costs compared with America will continue to force firms to adjust, though the eu’s carbon border tax (cbam) will apply in full from 2026, protecting eu industry somewhat by taxing imports based on their carbon content. Renewable energy and grid extensions have also become an easier political sell, as green energy makes Europe depend less on autocratic providers of fossil fuels.

The third factor is low-cost green kit from China that will cheapen the transition. In Spain, Europe’s sunniest country, electricity is practically free during the day. As the solar boom continues, power generation will become emissions-free much faster than previously thought. At the same time, cheap Chinese electric vehicles (evs) are entering the market, lowering costs for drivers wishing to go green.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/04/25/carbon-emissions-are-dropping-fast-in-europe

Israeli Cabinet Votes to Shut Down Al Jazeera’s Operations in the Country

I’m sure this will be normalized somehow, but before the parroting of Likud spin: how fucking pathetic.

The US is running itself thin now. The war in Ukraine has helped that— and now in Israel. Billions of dollars spent on weapons, and the population is getting tired of it. On the right and left, there’s growing political opposition. It’s not a good look politically to be fighting two wars, even if boots aren’t on the ground. Then in the background there’s enormous worry about China.

So Iran is just not that important for the US right now. Trump, the idiot that he was, pulled out of the Iran deal, which was a success, and so there’s more tension than there should be — but unless Israel does something even more stupid, we won’t be getting into it with Iran.

many nations or education systems do not offer philosophy as a primary or secondary level module — Benj96

Good. A quick look into political discussions shows how philosophy is likely deleterious. Besides, the term “philosophy” is basically meaningless anyway.

Be a decent human being and teach basic stuff and kids will be fine.

Run along little girl— let the adults talk.

obvious stuff — Lionino

Obvious on 4Chan; delusional in the real world.

Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich said Monday his investigators found just one dead voter after thoroughly reviewing findings from a partisan review of the 2020 election that alleged 282 ballots were cast in the name of someone who had died.

https://apnews.com/article/elections-arizona-donald-trump-phoenix-government-and-politics-e11fb4726ee010e4d031a63acff939cd

Same is true in Georgia, Michigan, and nationally. Voter fraud — of any kind — is extremely rare. Despite your idiotic claims.

“Just Google it, it’s so obvious” = not a shred of evidence, not one reference.

You’re embarrassing.

Not one original thought in your little head huh?

I’d put you on the ignore list, but you’re so utterly idiotic it’s worth the comedic value.

where thousands of tourists and dead people voted — Lionino

:rofl:

Not a shred of evidence; not one reference. But yeah, Vox is the problem.

As Turkey Cuts Trade Ties, Israel’s Isolation Grows

]Turkey said it would not resume trade with Israel until a “permanent cease-fire” in Gaza. The move came after a number of countries cut diplomatic ties with Israel.

People don’t like genocide.

discount sources is really funny — Benkei

Right. Just lazy, boring bullshit from people who feel obligated to talk when they both know nothing about the subject and have nothing interesting to contribute. But it makes them feel like they’re participating.

Mexico's elections are far securer — Lionino

No.

The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result.

“When states have close elections, many will recount ballots. All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary. This is an added benefit for security and resilience. This process allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes or errors. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.

“Other security measures like pre-election testing, state certification of voting equipment, and the U.S. Election Assistance Commission’s (EAC) certification of voting equipment help to build additional confidence in the voting systems used in 2020.

“While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too. When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.”

https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election

They were Trump officials.

Also:

Trump Panel Finds No Voter Fraud

Court filings show that in spite of the president’s claim that millions of people voted illegally, his recently disbanded commission found no evidence of voter fraud.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2018-01-10/trump-commision-on-election-integrity-found-no-evidence-of-voter-fraud

Back in 2018, when he also claimed there was widespread voter fraud. Which everyone with a brain cell knows is bullshit anyway.

The incidence of voter fraud has been studied numerous times. The consensus from credible research and investigation is that the rate of illegal voting is extremely rare, and the incidence of certain types of fraud – such as impersonating another voter – is virtually nonexistent.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/resources-voter-fraud-claims

Which is why Trump has lost literally every court case on this. It’s conjured out of thin air to excuse his loss, which he was telegraphing months in advance.

Again, quite shocking that one of our resident clowns is a believer in such stupidity. The general level of a mind that supports Trump, though…

:shade:

Hey, sometimes they slip through the cracks.

Duanne Eddy — Sir2u

I have no idea who that is.

So a complete ignoramus about this too. I’m shocked. :scream:

Trump’s own officials say 2020 was America’s most secure election in history

If everything’s honest, I’ll gladly accept the results. I don’t change on that,” Mr. Trump said, according to The Journal Sentinel. “If it’s not, you have to fight for the right of the country.”

In an interview with Time magazine published on Tuesday, he also dismissed questions about political violence in November by suggesting that his victory was inevitable.

When pressed about what might happen should he lose, he said, “if we don’t win, you know, it depends. It always depends on the fairness of an election.”

Mr. Trump’s insistent and fraudulent claims that the 2020 election was unfair were at the heart of his efforts to overturn his loss to President Biden, and to the violent storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, by a mob of supporters who believed his claims. Mr. Trump now faces dozens of felony charges in connection with those events.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/02/us/biden-trump-campaign

So when he loses a clean election again (2020 was probably the most clean and fair in US history), and comes up with some nonsense reason to reject it — which is a given — despite being able to predict this 6 months out, his supporters will be right there with him and the media will be shocked at the fact that he won’t concede the loss.

It’s likely that he’ll make something up even if he wins, as he did in 2016 regarding the popular vote.

But each cunt has its day, as someone famous might have said, and today it's Israel who is the cunt. — bert1

If the roles were reversed, sure. If it were mostly Israelis living in a concentration camp and being killed at 10x the number as their occupying oppressors, I for one would be condemning the latter.

Honestly, it’s not even using an emoji to be rude— it legitimately made me laugh, which is actually rare. “Gaza isn’t oppressed because you don’t oppress land” — stated seriously. Don’t know whether to laugh or cry…but in the end, it was a laugh.

Anyway, done with genocide apologists.