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  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    Biden flies an 85-car entourage to EuropeNOS4A2

    Biden flies! Oh no!!

    Climate change is a hoax.
  • Philosophy/Religion
    That’s not how I live, nor how anyone I know lives. We can think it and say it, but an “organism trying to survive” isn’t my experience. First and foremost I’m engaged with someone or something, I’m moving towards something, I’m caring about or interested in something. I have a world, not an environment.
    — Xtrix

    This may well be true of humanity today.
    I like sushi

    What does "this" refer to?
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)


    Says the guy who defended Trump for fours years, and is a vehement climate denier. :up:
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    Defending a politician’s hypocrisy should be beneath youNOS4A2

    Says the guy who defended Trump for four years. :rofl:
  • COP26 in Glasgow
    How can this tightly-linked, interdependent, globalised economy we've created be scaled back enough to reduce our collectivised carbon footprint?The Opposite

    Doesn’t matter because it’s probably not permanent. All we have to do is wait it out for ten thousand years of so. Yes, we’ll suffer in the meantime, but gotta think positive.
  • COP26 in Glasgow
    That's true. Nature is powerful enough that in thousands of years, we should predict for some kind of intelligent life to return.Manuel

    Yes. So we can safely go back to sleep.
  • COP26 in Glasgow
    I just don't see that happening.frank

    Neither do I, thanks in part to efforts from geniuses like you.

    Can’t wait for things to calm down again in ten thousand years though. Look forward to it.
  • COP26 in Glasgow
    Yeah, but you're still utterly doomed.frank

    Not doomed— provided we act now. But hopefully we can convince enough people not to, since a book says things will maybe get back to normal in ten thousand years.

    Something will arise from the human potential as a result of climate change that will be unique and beautiful.frank

    :rofl:
  • Anti-vaccination: Is it right?
    Medicine, in case you haven’t noticed, is a complex and difficult subject. As a result, it’s an area where it’s a bad idea to leave people entirely to their own devices. The clamor for unproven treatments like taking hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin reminds us why we require that physicians be licensed and drugs be approved, rather than leaving it up to the public to decide who’s qualified and which medication is safe and effective.

    So you have to wonder why anyone would consider it a good idea when Florida’s surgeon general urged people to downplay medical advice on vaccines and rely on their “intuition and sensibilities.”

    Finally, the most contentious area in this whole argument involves vaccine and mask requirements for schools. And in this area, opponents of mandates aren’t making decisions for themselves — they’re making decisions for their children, who have rights of their own and aren’t simply their parents’ property.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/01/opinion/vaccine-mandates-biden-republicans.html
  • Philosophy/Religion


    Every time I hear Nietzsche I’m reminded of his brilliance. Thanks for the reminder — that’s a good one.
  • Philosophy/Religion
    I'm uncertain what this means. They're as much a part of the world as we are.Ciceronianus

    If we define "world" as "physical universe" or "environment," yes. I don't think it's close to that.

    They have no worlds. They're part of our world, yes.

    We're peculiar animals, certainly, but animals nonetheless.Ciceronianus

    We're also a bunch of atoms nonetheless. We're also the "rational animal." We're also "creatures of God." We're also "minds" and "selves." To pick one of these and say "Here is the REAL truth" is just nonsense. It's an interpretation. That doesn't make it untrue -- it just means it's not the only truth.

    It's a naturalistic view, as you say, though I have a rather broad view of nature, as I include in it all we think and feel as well as what we do. I think we have much yet to learn about nature (the universe) and it may include more than what it appears to include to us now.Ciceronianus

    And what is "nature," then? If we include all phenomena -- all beings whatsoever, including feelings and thinking and processes and forces, matter and energy and justice and mineral baths -- then what exactly distinguishes "nature" from "God's creation"?
  • The Inflation Reduction Act


    I think this is misreading what Jayapal is saying. She's willing to vote on both, and is leaving the convincing of Manchin to Biden. She says she's not in direct contact with Manchin.

    To overlook what the CPC is doing right now is insanity. In reality, it's a very positive sign indeed. If I could snap my fingers and get rid of nearly everyone in congress, congress itself, capitalism itself, etc., I would. But that's not a reality. I think it a good idea to understand what's going on, beyond Twitter slogans.
  • COP26 in Glasgow
    Archer shows how just a few centuries of fossil-fuel use will cause not only a climate storm that will last a few hundred years, but dramatic climate changes that will last thousands. Carbon dioxide emitted today will be a problem for millennia. For the first time, humans have become major players in shaping the long-term climate. In fact, a planetwide thaw driven by humans has already begun. But despite the seriousness of the situation, Archer argues that it is still not too late to avert dangerous climate change--if humans can find a way to cooperate as never before.

    So great news! Maybe we survive, and in a few thousand years maybe things get back to normal. So no need to panic, folks. Get a grip.

    I read a book once talking about various ways we may survive a nuclear fallout and emerge from underground in a few thousand years. Since then I've stopped advocating for nuclear weapons reductions.
  • Philosophy/Religion
    Certain of those characteristics distinguish us from other living organisms, and thus we interact with the rest of the world differently than they do in many cases.Ciceronianus

    We're distinguished in that we're the only entities with a world. Animals don't have worlds, they have environments.

    You're operating from a naturalistic/biological interpretation of being. It shows up in the various words and categories you employ in discussing this. Nothing "wrong" about it, necessarily, but it's not the whole picture. It tends to forget the human being doing the interpreting, and giving the answer "we are living organisms trying to survive." That very answer has a history, has developed over time, and is an outgrowth of natural philosophy. "Nature" and "physics" (you mentioned "physical") are words worth looking at closely -- their meanings have changed with time. What's "material" and "physical," for example, is very difficult to pin down indeed and rests on many assumptions.

    So it may seem relatively obvious to you, as it once did to me as well, but it's always worth taking another look at.
  • Philosophy/Religion
    Schopenhauer argues that philosophy and religion have the same fundamental aim: to satisfy “man’s need for metaphysics,” which is a “strong and ineradicable” instinct to seek explanations for existence that arises from “the knowledge of death, and therewith the consideration of the suffering and misery of life” (WWR I 161). Every system of metaphysics is a response to this realization of one’s finitude, and the function of those systems is to respond to that realization by letting individuals know their place in the universe, the purpose of their existence, and how they ought to act. All other philosophical principles (most importantly, ethics) follow from one’s metaphysical system.

    Both philosophers and theologians claim the authority to evaluate metaphysical principles, but the standards by which they conduct those evaluations are very different. Schopenhauer concludes that philosophers are ultimately in the position to critique principles that are advanced by theologians, not vice versa. He nonetheless recognizes that the metaphysical need of most people is satisfied by their religion. This is unsurprising because, he contends, the vast majority of people find existence “less puzzling and mysterious” than philosophers do, so they merely require a plausible explanation of their role in the universe that can be adopted “as a matter of course” (WWR II 162). In other words, most people require a metaphysical framework around which to orient their lives that is merely apparently true. Therefore, the theologian has no functional reason to determine what is actually true. By contrast, the philosopher is someone whose metaphysical need is not satisfied by merely apparent truths – he is intrinsically driven to seek out actual truths about the nature of the world.

    This is interesting and I see little to disagree with.

    It is curious that Schopenhauer is generally cited as a convinced atheist, yet in this respect he differs profoundly from what contempoary atheism often states.Wayfarer

    Yes, because modern atheism has replaced Christina dogma with scientism, rationalism, etc. I still say that's an improvement in some respects, while a disaster in others. Nietzsche has interesting things to say about this as well, of course.

    Might have just something to do with seeing humanity solely through the lens of biological evolution - which, of course, all sensible folk must do nowadays.Wayfarer

    I deeply respect science, and think it's currently the best we have if we want to understand various aspects of the world, from atoms to planets to living things to politics. But when it gets held too closely, it gets calcified into another dogma. There's a balancing act that needs to happen, and it's not easy.
  • COP26 in Glasgow
    The species will adapt to the change.frank

    Yeah, so no worries. Go back to sleep. We’ll probably survive a nuclear war, too.

    It's still quite hard to absorb the idea that we are willing to destroy most sentient life on Earth, many if not most of our fellow citizens for reasons of power and profit, essentially.Manuel

    Nihilistic greed wins in the end, perhaps. But don’t worry — because maybe we all survive in 10 thousand years or something.
  • Philosophy/Religion
    Essentially and in short, a living organism in an environment, trying to survive as well as as possibleCiceronianus

    So a biological interpretation is what we’ve always known?

    That’s not how I live, nor how anyone I know lives. We can think it and say it, but an “organism trying to survive” isn’t my experience. First and foremost I’m engaged with someone or something, I’m moving towards something, I’m caring about or interested in something. I have a world, not an environment.

    I highly doubt prehistorical people thought of themselves this way or spoke of themselves this way.

    If this is what leaps to mind as a kind of “default” interpretation of human being, I think it’s just a mistake.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act


    If only I could live in your fantasy world. Then I could excuse myself for doing nothing too. :ok:
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    One that actively seeks to make things worse, on behalf of their corporate sponsors.StreetlightX

    Yes, let’s live in a fantasy world without nuance or evidence, where every senator is bought by the same interests and all operate on the same principles.

    This from a guy who sees everything so clearly that he actively helped Trump get re-elected. After all, what difference would it have made?

    Biggest fraud on the forum.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act


    Yeah, we know about your favorite hobby, beyond political hobbyism. Thanks for clarification. Very witty.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    Otherwise I can't imagine them caving so easily and so quickly but that is what it looks like from the outside.Mr Bee

    The progressive caucus has surprised me so far. If they cave and vote on the “bipartisan” bill, that’ll be disappointing. I don’t see indications of that happening yet. Manchin seems pretty riled up about it, because he wants that bill passed so he can gut the BBB bill more or kill it completely.

    The BBB bill has already been destroyed, of course, so it barely matters at this point.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    Who could have seen this coming?StreetlightX

    Only those who do nothing except jerk off Zizek, apparently. How special you are.
  • Philosophy/Religion
    We've always known what we are, I think.Ciceronianus

    Have we? And what’s that?
  • Philosophy/Religion
    Psychology and Science - I believe these are opposite.
    Philosophy and Art - I believe these are opposite, and an evolution of the former.
    Varde

    I think your entire post is baseless and confused.

    Put aside the labels for a minute and think about what’s going on when you’re “doing” what we call philosophy. What are we paying attention to? What questions are we asking?
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    There are other provisions in the bill, as well — $550 billion for various climate initiatives, none of which would be a reality if it weren’t for activism, and certainly not if Trump got a second term. Is this “worse”?Xtrix

    Until that’s given, I’ll continue pushing for better policies in the world we have, which unfortunately is a two-party system largely owned by corporate interests in a state capitalist system, with the ultimate goal of destroying capitalism AND the state (which is way, way off and will almost certainly not happen in our lifetimes).

    If you have better suggestions in the meantime, I’m all ears.
    Xtrix

    The only cynics are those who look at the existing state of affairs and think: there can be no other possible way.StreetlightX

    What’s hard is organizing with others, taking collective action, protesting in the streets (which I hate), using the courts, registering voters, educating people, raising money, corresponding with state and local leaders, getting involved in local government, sitting on boards, crafting proposals, creating petitions and referenda, etc.Xtrix

    Plenty of things to be done, and which I will continue to do.

    But it must be nice using nihilism as a cover for sitting at home jerking off to Zizek.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act


    With all the smoke you blow, you couldn't even make the simplest of choices in the 2020 election. And still won't admit there's any difference between Trump and Biden. That about says it all for me.

    The result of all the Zizek reading I guess. A pseudo-intellectual's intellectual.

    I hear Jordan Peterson saying things along your lines. Probably more on your level. Check him out.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act


    Correct. I don't flag carry for them, yet I'm (gasp) still able to recognize obvious political realties which I realize are too hard for you. Hence why you couldn't answer questions about which senators you had in mind who would "take Manchin and Sinema's place" (I gave you one possibility myself) and why you cannot name a single thing you've done to change anything whatsoever -- while denying your fatalism, of course. I can imagine you in the 60s: "That Democratic apologist MLK being duped into believing anything will change."

    You have "hope" that people will see through the straw man you've created to represent me, and I've yet to see anyone as big a failure at helping people do so than you. You're driving them to hopelessness and apathy.

    Stop pretending to care about anything other than your own political hobbyism. In the meantime the real work, as always, will be conducted by those who aren't stuck in intellectual adolescence.

    "Democrats as evil as Republicans." "Trump evil as Biden." Always riveting (and predictable) analysis.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act


    No, they’re at where they are on the environment because of activism— which is a far better place than we’d be under Trump, who you were helping get re-elected.

    There has been progress made. The democrats are not the republicans. Not all democrats are bought by corporate interests, and of the majority who are — there are different interests in play, not simply big oil.

    I know you don’t like nuance, so you can skip all this.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    Much easier to be cynical. This way you can appear to be above all the silly “activism”— with the added benefit of having to do nothing except sit on your ass, read books, and write some comments on the Internet. Political hobbyism 101.

    Feels great; accomplishes nothing. For those living in the real world, and want to do something — however small — the best thing to do is ignore such people. They don’t have a single solution in their heads anyway.
    Xtrix
  • Philosophy/Religion
    His use of 'Heirophant' is something I carry around with me every day nowI like sushi

    What is a heirophant?
  • Philosophy/Religion
    Religion is about 'faith', whereas philosophy is about 'wisdom',Varde

    Says who?

    Religion far predates philosophy. What both have in common is that they deal with basic human questions. The beings asking the questions are human beings. Human beings think and speak and, importantly, exist. Every answer comes out of a particular human being in a particular culture, and is a kind of interpretation. Some answers we now categorize as "religion," some as "philosophical," some as "scientific," etc.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    Always insightful, buddy. If only I could sit as comfortably doing nothing as you...must be nice. Keep changing the world, one post at a time.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    Eyyy. Took a while but we got there. Proud of you :blush:StreetlightX

    :kiss:
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    It would be better, for you and others like you, in particular, to do nothing.StreetlightX

    Because I'm a democratic operative/apologist who's perpetuating harm and giving cover to the party. As opposed to you and the actions you take, which are definitely there but not worth discussing with a democrat operative like me.

    :yawn:
  • The Inflation Reduction Act


    If only I could see the big picture, like you. Then I could sit on my ass doing nothing as well.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    Can't wait till this thread gets back on track with liberals being mad at Manchin and Sinema.StreetlightX

    The question I have is: given how critical this moment is, what can be done to help it become reality?Xtrix

    You were saying something about comprehension...
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    Please tell us more about how evil and corrupt democrats are. Your insights are so deep.

    Let's all go to sleep -- it's hopeless. Try any action, and you're a democrat apologist.

    Maybe logic works differently in Australia.
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    What’s the alternative I’m missing in terms of action?
    — Xtrix

    What kind of question is this in response to what I wrote?
    StreetlightX

    :lol:
  • The Inflation Reduction Act
    "Nothing will change, the Democratic party is corrupt."

    "True. So what should be done?"

    "What kind of question is that?"

    lol
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    Talk about "substance" from a guy who couldn't answer a simple question of action. What a shocker.

    Your posturing is fantastic, though. We're all very impressed.