Goebbels is better than Hitler, so I'll throw my lot in with Goebbels" — StreetlightX
entirely projection. — StreetlightX
Hence the designation, "being". — Wayfarer
not at all a stupid comparison — StreetlightX
people voting for him regardless of how much he damage he causes. — StreetlightX
Voting is like a needle: It's either scary or it's inconvenient. — James Riley
Y'know - the one who you constantly run apologetics for. — StreetlightX
values are generated based on promoting one’s wealth,
Thought is used to make values manifest in action.
What I have not seen first hand is anything like the kind of behavior you ascribe to doctors -- "screwing portions of the population into submission to a system that exploits them, and if drugging you or driving you insane". Frankly, that just sounds like capitalism at work. — Bitter Crank
A socialist utopia is an unnatural fantasy. Unnatural things are unhealthy because we are natural beings. — Miller
Cynicism, writing it all off as hopeless, is just another way to abandon any hope of change. — Wayfarer
ship is sinking and it’s being purposely steered by those on top, those on the bottom are the only ones left to stop it-but we can’t and the capitalists have made sure we can’t. — Albero
With the above, it appears that Sartre has also tapped into Locke’s tabula rasa, which, of late, has been opposed by Chomsky’s theory of deep speech which, in his declarations, arises from genetic hard-wiring. That’s why, according to Chomsky, toddlers are such apt pupils of language. — ucarr
Yet the Greeks have managed to interpret Being in this way without any explicit knowledge of the clues which function here, without any acquaintance with the fundamental ontological function of time or even any understanding of it, and without any insight into the reason why this function is possible. On the contrary, they take time itself as one entity among other entities, and try to grasp it in the structure of its Being, though that way of understanding Being which they have taken as their horizon is one which is itself naively and inexplicitly oriented towards time.
Awareness , apprehension and perception may be a bit too close to the passivity of subject-object oppositionality. I noticed that, surprisingly, he doesnt use the word ‘awareness’ a single time in Being and Time , openness is used only a handful of times, and he’s not too crazy about perception either. I think he loves terms like disclosure. thrownnes and projection because they get away from the idea of a subject over here staring at a pre-existing object over there. — Joshs
λεγειν itself -- or rather νοειν, that simple awareness of something present-at-hand in its sheer presence-at-hand, which Parmenides had already taken to guide him in his own interpretation of Being -- has the Temporal structure of a pure 'making-present' of something. Those entities which show themselves in this and for it, and which are understood as entities in the most authentic sense, thus get interpreted with regard to the Present; that is, they are conceived as presence (ουσια).
Don’t forget Marxism, and its associated dialectical materialism. — Joshs
Dasein is not a consciousness. — Joshs
2. The absolute presence of the thinking subject and its object. Although the absent is still lurking in the form of the transcendent. — Janus
3. I'm reminded of the other thread re Collingwood and the idea of absolute presuppositions that we are unaware we are making at our peril. — Janus
The rise of science, technology and colonialism in the West (which was around the 10th century well behind China technologically) — Janus
The twin evils of scientism and capitalism, with their total disregard for nature, stand in the way of any new socialist order which would seem to be the only hope for civilization going forward. That our destinies are determined by a tiny cabal of individuals and giant corporations who would rather see the world burn than give up their power and privilege is quite an horrific scenario to contemplate. — Janus
Do you have an example of what you would call an ontological distinction? — Wayfarer
I can't divorce myself of the impression that Heidegger's style is an affectation. — Banno
All existents are entities. So yeah, objects are entities. But beings are reserved for those with subjective perception. — Caldwell
Objects are beings, like everything else.
— Xtrix
Objects are entities. — Caldwell
Of course apes are different from rocks. But they’re still entities, beings. To say an ape isn’t a thing or a rock isn’t a being is simply assuming your definition,
— Xtrix
It's not 'my' definition, it's the definition. Objects are not beings, as they are not subject of experience. — Wayfarer
Beings here refers to everything— all entities, all phenomena. Not exclusively to sentient beings. I can’t make it clearer.
— Xtrix
Where do abstract objects fit into this? Numbers, scientific principles, and the like? — Wayfarer
their nature is noumenal i.e. they're intelligible objects, not sense objects. — Wayfarer
And your analysis completely misses that distinction. If you label them all as 'existents' or 'phenomena' then you're not accounting for the fundamental distinctions that ontology is concerned with. — Wayfarer
I'm happy to grant them cult status as well. — Ciceronianus
However entering the economic system itself was a forced game. Yes it has to be played to survive but the fact that we are forced to play it at all lest we die an agonizing slow death by starvation or scary prospect of outright suicide makes it a legitimate injustice to be philosophically and personally against. Any forced, inescapable game is a legitimate target for moral scrutiny and criticism. This is quite independent to post facto subjective evaluations of liking the game. Like the happy slave, the laborer has no other choice. — schopenhauer1
Let me see if I’m understanding what you mean when you say persistence and becoming both presuppose being.
Are you arguing that we need both the concept of persistence and that of becoming in order to understand being? — Joshs
Heidegger asks, why does change require the notion of something sitting still as itself for a moment? Instead of founding the idea of change on sequences of things that sit still for a moment, (which is really founding change on bits of stasis that we cobble together), why not recognize that there are no things that sit still. Why not found the illusion of stasis on change , rather than the other way around? — Joshs
Heidegger didn’t consider Dasein as just a human being, which is an empirical concept . He wasn’t anthropomorphizing Dasein. Dasein is priori to the thinking of human beings or living things. In this he was following Husserl. — Joshs
It deals with your question: how can we understand change and becoming without beginning from objects which are present for a least a moment ? — Joshs
“I propose an expanded model of time. Time does not consist only of nows.” Linear time consists merely of positions on an observer's time line. The positions are supposed to be external and independent of what happens. Linear time is an empty frame.“ — Joshs
Just as only the initiates of Heidegger can understand or interpret his words. — Ciceronianus
Isn't there an in-principle difference between the kind of being that numbers represent, and the kind of being that rocks represent? And apes? They are beings of different kinds - not just different kinds of object or thing, but their natures have differences, don't they? — Wayfarer
I'd honestly like to understand why the distinction between beings and things is considered controversial, and also why it is not considered. It's an honest question. I'm really not trying to pick a fight — Wayfarer
Yes, but this thread is about ontology, which is using "being" very differently than exclusively for sentient entities.
— Xtrix
I don't think it provides the liberty to re-define the term according to your preference. — Wayfarer
But, my argument is that we deploy the word 'being' with respect to beings such as ourselves, because it designates something which is absent in rocks — Wayfarer
I don’t see “becoming of time” meaning anything. Time— temporality— is, essentially, us. It’s dasein’s being as ecstatic openness. Things persist and change, sure, but first they’re here, they are.
— Xtrix
This sounds like the view of time Heidegger is critiquing — Joshs
Temporality for Heidegger isnt simply ‘us’ as ecstatic openness. — Joshs
It is what is happening to us NOW as a future ( a totality of relevance) which is in the process of having been. — Joshs
‘We’ ‘are’ only as being changed. — Joshs
I should add that your reading is consistent with a number of Heidegger scholars, including Dreyfus. Mine is consonant with Derrida’s reading. — Joshs
The being of dasein is temporality, which interprets being. Not being in general.
— Xtrix
What’s the difference between being in general and the totality of being of dasein? — Joshs
The distinction between ‘beings’ and ‘things’ is a fundamental ontological distinction. If you lose sight of that then what ontological distinctions are there? Why are ‘beings’ called beings and not things? — Wayfarer
Heidegger is not offering an interpretation himself, for example that being = time.
— Xtrix
He certainly is, if you are referring to the ontological understanding of the being of Dasein. — Joshs
I'm not convinced of that — Manuel
Just like you get intense in political stuff, — Manuel
If stasis is equivalent to objectively present , enduring , subsisting , self-identical, inhering, then he is determining stasis as an inadequate way to think about existing. Becoming isnt at one pole and stasis at the other, and neither is becoming the sequential movement of things becoming present ( stasis) in time and then passing away. Rather , the becoming of time is a single unified occurrence that is future, present and having been in the same moment. There is no room for stasis or objective presence here. — Joshs
