I should add there is another group which doesn't like this understanding of knowledge: advocates of the transcendent. — TheWillowOfDarkness

You know that in anime, it's always the super villains that are going on about transcendence. Personally I think that being a human is pretty great. No better options I know about.

I'm by no means an expert on any of them, and I haven't been to university. I've read Hegel's a general history of the world, as well as listened to lecture courses on him, and also took an online course about Kierkegaard which involved his relation, and responses to Hegel. After a course on Marx I wasn't really interested in reading him,

Mill I read unsettled questions of political economy, and on liberty, as well as listened to a lecture course on him as well.

John Stewart Mill. Not only a super awesome guy, but also far far superior economist, philosopher, and utilizer of Hegelian logic than Marx.

Marx' inversion of Hegel resulted in a thorough materialism, however - there is no room in Marx for geist, as such (although that is surely tangential to this thread.) — Wayfarer

Which is why Mill is vastly superior, he doesn't sever Hegel's method, and ignore the animal spirits.

The least of us said that.

I really wish that Toriyama would stop raping Goku now... he seriously needs to be stopped.

Lol, well Wayne Gretzky, the greatest athlete that ever lived comes from Edmonton! Got that west edmonton mall (which I've driven right by like five thousand times but never been into, my sister is bugging me to take her sometime.).

I get to brag brah, it's thanksgiving, loophole.

"No revolution can ever succeed as a factor of liberation unless the MEANS used to further it be identical in spirit and tendency with the PURPOSES to be achieved. Revolution is the negation of the existing, a violent protest against man's inhumanity to man with all the thousand and one slaveries it involves. It is the destroyer of dominant values upon which a complex system of injustice, oppression, and wrong has been built up by ignorance and brutality. It is the herald of NEW VALUES, ushering in a transformation of the basic relations of man to man, and of man to society." - Emma Goldman.

One of my favorite quotes. One cannot hit a child for hitting another child and tell them that hitting is wrong. Their action contradict their words, and they promote what they claim to disavow. They have to actually be saying "hitting is wrong for you, but right for me", while claiming to be the ones that aren't vicious relativists. They claim many things.

Thankfully I'm not unjust, I do not promote ostracism, I do promote tolerance, regardless of how pretend. Those that are wrong ought to be use to pretending, and those that aren't won't need to.

You're the one that denies, and discards it.

"In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets."

The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

I'll let you guys figure out who said that.

"infliction of injury, harm, humiliation, or the like, on a person by another who has been harmed by that person."

Actually almost verbatim that's what vengeance is. If we were really going to settle things, equalize them, then we'd better start with Cain.

We can't bring anyone justice, it's far far beyond our means, all we can do is try to mitigate, and prevent as much suffering and harm as possible, and promote flourishing, and health. Harming others, no matter how much you figure they deserve it is working at cross-purposes to this. You're then part of the problem, and not the solution.

That's what vengeance is, and it always come too late.

We're just creatures. Inherently, and when we are wronged, or we see others wronged, part of us wishes to pay back that suffering and pain a thousand fold -- but those that hurt us are just people, that themselves were hurt, and now fear monsters. There are no monsters though, just people.

Luther said that the greatest thing about heaven would be its view of hell.

Trumps not a narcissist, I'm one of those, they're sycophants, people pleasers, constantly worried about being right and good, or appearing to be, at the very least. Trump is clearly more like a megalomaniac, worried about being perceived as competent and powerful rather than lovable.

People say that, but I think that not being a selfish, oppressive Pharisee has always been a more important tradition.

Yes do you think we should go around playing God huh? — Agustino

Who's playing? :D

Cleaning was my favorite job, I got to listen to audiobooks all day, I used to listen to audiobooks and lecture course for hours a day every day for a couple of years, it was great.

Funny thing about the award thing, while I was working at a military base, I was of course not hiding, and work avoiding, and I don't like sitting around or boredom, so I was constantly just finding something to do. Eventually the supervisor there began to discreetly go home half the time at like 10 am, and was actually awarded for the cleaning at the base, and he cried about it, as if it was super meaningful, when he was doing fuck all, and taking all of the credit.

When gay marriage is legalised we will be obliged to support it, and all those who don't will be ostracised. — Wayfarer

Which is what you argue God does to evil doers, and is thus the most just way to handle them, wouldn't you then be saying by implication? It's their fault after all. You're really good at it being different when it's you.

You know what a great way to be a dick, makes lots of money, choke up available housing and cause inflation is if you're already rich, and the tears of the desperate are all that sustain you? You can rent a shit ton of places, and then just re rent them for more illegally all airbnb style.

Hurray!

Yeah, all that, but you're on my side right? :D

Yeah, when we all know that that nature stuff is bullshit, and they're all just unnatural evil perverts.

Hey, I didn't mention it originally, because I didn't think it was important, but since he brought it up I thought that I might as well have shared my original impression, no offense.

Political correctness is just a buzz term, it isn't like it's a new phenomenon, or it's more prevalent now. People say that opposites attract but Nazis and Jews usually don't become best of friends. We're all intolerant of other views, and to the extent that we appear to be tolerant is usually only to the extent that we believe that we have to, or are expected to -- but inside, not so much. Our "tolerance" most often is nothing more than risk management.

Yeah, the humble would be passive aggressive. We're all bigots.

Though I did misunderstand the nature of the referendum as like, going the other way. Probably would have framed things differently if I'd have gotten that.

I thought that that statement was stupid too, but because a "gangster" is a career criminal... so law is probably not as massive a deterrent as it would be for a non-career criminal one would think... presumably something else must be holding them back, one would hope, even as a thief or even murderer, they would have some sense of the low quality of beating women and children even at their own minor offense or harm.

I don't think it says much that many people would rather not suffer disgrace and affront to dignity even at the cost of their own continued oppression.

Should there be such referendums for every ideology, or opinion in your view, or just the ones you're sympathetic to? Should we seriously allow the public platform to every form of morbidity, and disgrace for genuine consideration so as to be all equals and fairies? I highly doubt you'd hold such a view.

That view you describe sounds about right to me, and would to you as well given the right subject, only on top of that, you would be mistaken, whereas I would not be.

I'm afraid sir, that I have the high ground.

I have to say, that I'm definitely the humblest one here, without a doubt, no contest. Personally I just notice the massive blindspot I try to create for myself in order to ignore every sin while I readily condemn it in others. I see the aburdity and irony of my special pleading, and knots I tie myself in with rationalizations and justifications.

On another note... when it comes to houses, they really don't make them like they used to. At least based on my experience, the cheapness of the quality is unbelievable. If you're paying a lot for a new house you'd better be paying for the location.

On yet another note, they give sweet houses away at Alberta, you can get them for one dollar. No joke, you just have to move them.

I'm trying to save, winter is coming, and I try to save enough to maintain things during the off season. I did it without trouble last year, but had to get a job for the last month of winter the year before, and might also this year as well.

There is WCB but I am indeed attempting to prepare for everything. Last year I was explaining to my dad that I had to save a certain amount also for the unforeseen when I was budgeting, and he said "like what?", lol... if I knew, it wouldn't be unforeseen....

Not quite that much, it's seasonal, so more like 8-9 months rather than 12. I of course don't want to take care of everyone forever or anything, it's just that everyone needs that launch pad, someone to actually help they get established. My dad was making three times less than he is now from disability and social assistance (he pays me 300 a month, 90 of which pays my little sisters cell phone bill, so he gives me 210 for utilities a month. He though, could afford to live by himself and take care of himself now if he wanted. My sister has also found an apartment in a close by town (the biggest town I'll let Dad drive to from home, since he has health issues, I have a second vehicle which he uses) I didn't charge my sister for anything, not that she didn't offer or insist, but we need an opportunities to get our shit together without someone using us, or taking from us, when we're at our lowest points.

I also, it just so happens did have a girl friend for a couple of months last year, didn't work out but it was definitely fun while it lasted.

I had many years of failure, desperation, inability to cover necessities, and support my loved ones when they were counting on me. That sort of failure I would prefer any other imaginable torment to. Not any more though, and I have higher goals, I have a big family. I'm going to save them all.

You can't live for yourself, that's where emptiness is, there's nothing there to live for.

John Stuart Mill said that if he found a book effort to read, then he would also read a book he enjoyed at the same time, and go back and forth.

I can’t know if there is anything other than my experience, because all I ever encounter is my experience. — Dominic Osborn

Right here seems to be where you start to go wrong. Firstly "know" is just defined in such a way that it's impossible no doubt. Quite useful I bet, that notion of "know", at least to the argument. Secondly, "all you ever encounter is your experience" is hardly apodictic. Descartes had it backwards, it's not the mind that can't be doubted, it's embodiment that can't be doubted.

I bought a house last December, not the nicest house in the world, and an hour from town (meaning that I could pay most of your mortgages with what I spend on gas a month), but four bedrooms, two washrooms nice Jacuzzi tub in one, and shower stall in the other. I have a lot of work to do on it, but it's been great so far. Also have a two car garage and two sheds! All filled with junk! Precious precious junk.

My sister and her three kids moved in with me a couple of months ago, so I've been super busy with that, along with my dad whom has lived with me for about a year and a half now.

I showed up here with a back pack and 300 dollars three years ago. I have a job were the actual work and skill done determines your pay by a small business owner, with only the four employees. I am not this point the de facto boss (like a boss) as I'm the most senior person that's actually there, and I'm the one that actually does the work. I usually work from 9 till 3, and make between 300 and 600 dollars a day. I can do 60 bundles tear off prep and shingle (not my self, but any one else only saves me at max an hour a day) in 6 hours, and I'm satisfied with that. I work too hard to maintain that level of productivity for much longer than six hours. So, the longer the day goes on the less it becomes worth my time, plus I'm driving between three and three and a half hours a day, so I don't want to work too late. I have of course, on occasion worked till like 7:30 to do 100 bundle houses in a day, which the boss that gets the jobs would like me to do everyday, but fuck him.

I hardly achieved it all my self though, I had a lot of help. Someone taught me it, and got me into it, and supported me when I got started, and continues to help me a whole lot, and be just a fantastic human being to me, and I of course could never repay what they've done for me, which allowed me to get established, and help my family.

Yeah, my brains always yapping. I prefer music.