This paper — Benkei
To base free will on the mere fact that not all processes are predictable is even a worse case of not understanding what we're talking about in my view. — Benkei
My first red flag with Robert Kane is therefore his equivocation of indeterminism and chance. That means he appears to be firmly in the territory of epistemological indeterminism which simply isn't interesting for the reason above. I'll read his full paper later but that's just a first few remarks to clarify my position based on his first two pages. — Benkei
My argument is distinct from the luck argument I guess or Robert Kane misrepresents it in his paper. — Benkei
Newton's first law says that an item will remain in its state of motion (which is interpreted to mean its velocity does not change) unless acted upon by a (net) external force. So the ball in a perfect, stationary position at the top will remain in its state of motion, which is stationary. It will not roll down. Hence the solution is non-Newtonian and must be rejected. It satisfies the second but not the first law. — andrewk
I suppose if we send it sliding up with exactly the correct initial velocity, and no touching it after we release it, all higher derivatives of displacement will be zero once it is on its way up. It follows that it will stop at the top rather than continuing down the other side, because it will have zero velocity and zero horizontal force on it at that time. — andrewk
The higher derivatives would have to be nonzero for the ball to pass the cime and go down the other side. If it stops there, there are no discontinuities because Jounce and Jerk were already zero on the way up.
Comments suggest to me that the cause of the sudden spontaneous motion is a concealed fourth derivative jounce. So it is like the ball is set down on the apex in the middle of just being about to snap. — apokrisis
So I don't think this case does what it at first seems to do, which is to generate breaking symmetry out of nothing. The breaking symmetry is always there in the discontinuous Jounce, which we have simply assumed. The plausible physical solution is that which has smooth displacement and all derivatives are always zero - ie symmetry doesn't break. — andrewk
OK. I don't find assigning causality a productive exercise, so I'll leave the field to those that do. — andrewk
So long as people can't wrap their head around the idea that saying "indeterminism is necessary for free will to exist", really means that everything they decide is totally random as a result, we'll continue to have these discussions. — Benkei
Making the generic cause to be about the impossibility of placing a ball with arbitrary accuracy on an apex is both another way of saying the same thing, but not quite as strong a version as focusing on the impossibility of eliminating triggering fluctuations. — apokrisis
That is my view. The ball fell because when it was released by whatever was holding it on the apex, its centre of mass was not exactly above the point of contact with the dome, so it started falling. — andrewk
Do you buy his story? — apokrisis
I'm not sure I understand your point. If the particle is perfectly balanced on top of the dome, then there it shall remain until some net force moves it. — LD Saunders
All I can come up with is limited free will. We can't choose what we want but we can choose how we satisfy our wants. — TheMadFool
But now if you time reverse the story, you still only can arrive infinitesimally close to the apex, not actually perched exactly on it. — apokrisis
How so? If the ball has mass, it has inertia. A push is required to set it moving. — apokrisis
If the net force acting on the ball bearing was zero, why would the ball move? On the other hand, can a ball sit on another ball without moving? Or must it eventually move as a chance event? — Bitter Crank
Latest news... — Proto
I don't know what all they will investigate, but from the POV of the administration, the less of a fishing expedition the better. — Bitter Crank
From reports I've been reading, the FBI investigation will be extremely half-assed. — Maw
wouldn't Mark Judge who was watching, take the key in his pocket? Would he leave the key there, so that she could somehow escape? — Agustino
I don’t know if it’s something that every conservative would rule for. — Michael
There’s also an upcoming court case that is concerned with double jeopardy and federal pardons (i.e can you subsequently be charged for the equivalent state crime). — Michael
It seems tactically and politically stupid from where I'm standing but perhaps I'm missing an angle I'm not considering here. — Benkei
I do think it's odd that Kavanaugh is so hostile to the idea of an FBI probe into these supposedly false accusations. — Erik
:gasp: Woah. — StreetlightX
The partisanship seems to be owned wholly by the republicans by refusing to call Mark Judge to testify or to have the FBI look into Brett's moral character in more depth. — Benkei
Odd. Never heard of that. Innocent me... — Baden
These are not incompatible beliefs based on 36 year old memories from teenage years.
which after all this testimony is really all we still have. — Rank Amateur
Looks like a pointed rebuke of Graham's hyperbolic and unjustified rant. And an indication he's going to go "no". — Baden
That's the Republican spin, but Feinstein was directed by Ford not to release the information and there's no evidence she did. Also, according to Ford, her friends knew about it and word could have got out to the media from there. She had a journalist come snooping around her house just before she went public. We don't know. — Baden
A question of tactics then? I dunno, I think the corruption is too deep-set; I'm not convinced tinkering is the right way to go. We've had literal centuries of that. — StreetlightX
The only way forward is out, to reject even the terms of the debate, let alone the answers to it. — StreetlightX
Cool. Yeah, people who haven't looked into the history of 'free will' - i.e almost everyone - don't tend to realize what a limited, historically shallow, and conceptually empty idea it is. It was essentially a device for self-loathing Christians to address the problem of evil and subject human beings to the masochism of its sister-concept, God's grace. Its theological fetters have largely fallen away, and now the idea is rootless and even more nonsensical than ever. — StreetlightX
Science's mechanical view of nature is what has been at issue. Freewill just becomes the most convincing argument against the modern understanding of the mind being a product of machine-like information processes. — apokrisis
I don't doubt this, but I think a good first step is in putting to question the very vocabulary involved;: freedom, but no 'will' please. This I think would have at least a primarily disorienting effect, which, given just how entrenched the idea is, would have value in itself. — StreetlightX
