TheMadFool thanks for answering to me. I just want to mention that actually i am not proposing that belief in God is an instinct, i just wanted to show that theory of belief of God is n instinct is not true to support the idea that belief of God is learned. So you also agree that belief of God is learned after birth and i see that you bring one more proposition which is, God is a reasoned proposition to explain the order that is evident in the universe. That is a good proposition that i would also agree, not the universe in big scale, even thinking of a human being itself would also be enough for me to think that everything was created in an order for some reason. So would you agree that as soon as we understand that there is a very high order around us that is very far from human capacity to create we start believing in God or we start believing in God, or we learn to believe in God in another way, like outside factors which i have mentioned in my previous message and justify it this way.

dclements thank you for your detailed answer, i also hope some other people would also read and contribute to this conversation.

You have pointed out some interesting themes where any of them i would lie to talk about, but one of the most interesting ones for me is just in your first sentence where sadly you mention that doesn't interest you much, that is the relation of good and evil with religion. If you don't mind I would like to start as beginning point on this, at least not what is good and evil in religion, but the relation of it with these terms.

The question i would have would definitely be "would there be good and evil if there was not religion and no punishment and reward for these actions after death" at all. This could be a difficult question for me to answer at once. To answer this question let's think this question first; "Which one was first in timeline: first religion or the invention of terms good and bad"? I don't think there would be any way to figure out the answer of this question also. This or alike sub-questions that would try to support answering first question will hardly bring us to a real answer, so not spending too much time on them, let's go to first question in simple way "if there was no religion, would there be good and bad?". This question is nearly impossible to answer in an absolute way cause there would be too much unknown and too many variables to consider about including human itself and relations with its social environment.

Until now i just wanted to show that there seems to be no direct way of answering the correlation between religion and good and bad relation directly. In such cases what i would like to do is go through the current phase, because current phase is the result of what have been in the past, without knowing the real reasons of what created them. This may not bring us to a point of absolute reality, but may bring us to a point where at least satisfies us to live with our questions in our minds.

I don't want to discuss religions deeply, but according to my perception of the world that we live on today, for majority of people including me, good and bad are related to religion. How i come to this point is the outside world taught me like this because i see on movies and on televisions and on holy religions this way. So looking at the current situation i think good and bad are thought to me and they are related with religion.

We can go to a different point from here, but if we can justify the thesis "good and evil is related with religion" that would be good starting point. Open to suggestions of course on how to continue.

What i meant by questioning "is belief of God coded in our DNA?" is trying to find out if this belief is some kind of an instinct that we inherit from past. I would agree with you that if belief of God was from birth, than somehow everybody should have it, so it should have been learned as you say. If we come to the thesis that belief of God is learned, how do we learn it? Or let's say when do we first start learning it ? Can it be from the religious thoughts or behaviors going around us from the first time that we start to see them ? Like people praying near us, or maybe seeing religious buildings around us and questioning them?

Ok, by the way i am neither atheist nor religious, just trying to analyse your thesis together cause i don't know at the moment if it is true or not. So what if believing God is like an instinct which i was mentioning that it was in our DNA. Think about this, for thousands of years human dying from nature first of all, people being misjudged, misbehaved, killed, raped, etc. So it might become in these thousands of years an instinct to believe in God rather than an earned thought, so that there will be a meaning of living on this planet and a meaning after-life and a judgement about what happens during our lives. If we think like this way, human wouldn't learn to believe in God, they would be in need to believe in God. Would you agree that ?

My thesis is; it is not that people build temples, eat, dress in some manners etc... because of a belief of God. People do it because of fear of death. This may have coded into DNA during evolution of human or maybe human DNA was created like this, i don't know if there is a scientific research on this.

Other than that, when you are talking about effect of God on ourselves, you should be meaning effect of religion, cause your thesis is on the way we eat, wear, etc, which effect daily life of people. Let's try to answer his question for further development of this thesis; Do people believe in God from second they are born or they learn it ?

I also think a lot about what is meant by good and what is meant by bad, or would they exist without each other? I want to discuss this, that's why i have signed up for the forum, would you or anybody like to discuss some arguments about this?