Anyway, let us continue. What are the arguments given from the former debater and what are yours? Again seperate the art from the artist. Let's hear it. Eager to continue. Be advised though, I may be even more opposed to your view than the creator of this thread! But I'll still debate with you unless you walk out also.

The elites are watching their power wane. — NOS4A2

That proves there's nothing "elite" about someone who.. just happens to be more fortunate than you lol. It's called circumstance or- hopefully- hard work paying off. So. I realize it's human(?) nature to hate another who has more regardless of why but I mean let's watch this video and hopefully chill out some. Otherwise just follow the law and you'll be fine. Or at least not invoke the true Law. Any further.



And beyond that. Do you really want 100% of your effort to literally be worth nothing as far as improving your livelihood? You'll say that on a computer in a nice house with a doctor nearby but I doubt you'll trade what you have and the way you live now for living like cavemen did? You signed up for it dude get over it. You literally wouldn't exist without the system that lets you criticize it so. Perhaps you should appreciate it more.

The US has never been the paragon of moral rectitude it's claimed for itself — tim wood

Lol. Sure. Just let subversives redefine everything and other people do what they want to control your whole life. See this is the cancer- no offense personally just the idea. The Constitution is simple, irrefutable. Doesn't matter if people who are diametrically opposed to the American ideal have controlled. directed or still control and direct the United States. People die, things get better. Unfortunately this pandemic is precisely what people need to realize this truth. "Accept reality" people will tell you. Yet- they will never accept that reality (what they refer to is really circumstance as a matter of fact) can change! And always has. Why would it not continue to do so? Because people tell you otherwise, usually in a threatening manner? Your choice guy. Always has been.

Lol. It's a global pandemic. I mean I'd be the first to say there's problems here but.. come on now.

If everyone in the playground has the flu the bigger guy is still gonna be stronger. Again strength should be used properly however that's a discussion for another day.

When we grow up into racist grandpas — fdrake

Are we going to publicly denounce and revoke all relationships to them while using/keeping/and abusing everything that's now yours as a result of their action and act like that's supposed to mean anything to anybody?

It's not even black and white there's people and groups who don't even exist anymore. I mean, it already happened. No reason to add hypocrisy to the list.

You don't have to literally devalue everything and anything in life to be a pessimist. Tangentially (i like that word), becoming disenchanted with (the joys of?) life and/or living in near-constant acknowledgement that terrible things can, do, and will happen doesn't make one a pessimist.

Also worth mentioning, just being rude is a separate thing altogether.

Pessimism seems to be an internal way of thinking aka a philosophy that a mentally sound person who does not have a mental complex can choose (or is otherwise forced to) embrace. I imagine the two get confused often.

And anyway, being too happy can lead to suicide too lol. Albeit at much lower rates but- yeah. The afterlife ie. "why am I wasting time in this dump?", etc.I gather you define suicide as a sudden and willful action to stop one's heart but there's plenty of other ways. A life of drugs and drinking, etc.

Give it time. If it ever becomes popular enough.

One of the many pacifist ("look we are good people") groups with the age old cosmic justice motif. Nice. Who started it and what are members told to do and where? Who calls the shots basically.

I'd imagine never. The parallels between comfort and boredom become quite evident for a highly intelligent person. So I'd imagine.

Probably right. Someone with a high IQ more than likely has an enjoyable and profitable job ie. is a "success" and would rather support the system than destroy it. Especially compared to someone with a menial minimum-wage job.

I don't think the hyperintelligent behave better or have any less inclination to misbehave than the rest. They just know how to get away with it more.

Racism can be solved by removing all depictions of ethnic minorities — fishfry

There we go. That's what you meant. As they say in forumspeak "FIFY".

Numbers are meaningless. It's about who and why. Obama mostly — Benkei

Mostly? Numbers are meaningless.

Now... am I saying go conquer it all and burn it all to the ground? Of course not. — Lif3r

The fact that this is even a warranted statement explains why we're all here and probably will be for some time.

Am I saying our plan should be to just ditch the planet we are on after we trash it? Also no. — Lif3r

Again, wow. Call it a proving ground, call it a correctional facility. Neither functions have been fulfilled so there's much more learning and progress to be made. Inward, not outward. You make a bed, you should lay in it- basically.

Well if we're gonna be religious about it perhaps it's worth keeping in mind God had to "give dominion to man over animals". One could deduce many things from this.

Basically, yeah. Again this is more of a historic injustice thread so I wouldn't have been so blunt.

Unless you're vocalizing a presumption about me? I'm a religious philosopher. You can give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. But if you teach a man to fish... Poseidon might show up and invite you to party in Atlantis.

Anyway it's just human nature. Sometimes out of intelligence, sometimes out of laziness. You learn to work or invent something that works more efficiently... your time and efforts are maximized. And so will those of others. I mean, come on, is anyone who uses something that's not a virtual Rube Goldberg machine foolish or lazy?

I've thought about it. Unfortunately (or perhaps even fortunately) you tend to get less interested in the vain and materialistic dreams we're presented with 24/7. It'd be nice to take some cool and decent people somewhere nice every now and then. Few gifts maybe. Folks who deserve it. Though money, power, and influence are a trio seldom seperate, I just think there are more important things then mansions, yachts, and vacations that surpass the average teacher's salary in cost. Of course. These are not temptations that I have the opportunity to resist or indulge in so, who knows lol.

Myself, I'm fine with edible enough food (seasonings and spices can turn something ok into something great), place to stay, beer to drink, a car that's not a clunker, and a few folks to talk to. Anything else is just anything else. We all like nice things though.

I understand this discussion is more about historic injustices but my thoughts when I read the title before clicking....

"People confuse privilege with reward earned through effort."

Basically yeah, why would someone have invented the polio vaccine, the steam engine, the lightbulb, or the computer if they could just sit around all day. One should be careful in the pursuit of equality not to devalue human effort entirely.

How did you grow up, fdrake? You're a mod so you're open to more scrutiny of course. Did you enjoy it? Eitherhow, others who did, usually do.

So you like to let people sit in darkness when you say you have an answer. Don't knock your own creation. It might knock back.

Because if you did care about equality and "education" you would share your belief- "cold hard facts", sorry- with someone less educated. Yet you don't. Which shows your attitude is far worse than your presumption of any so called elite you speak of. See. You're no different. At all. Perhaps no one is.

the interests of the financial/corporate elite over and against those of middle and working class Americans. — Enai De A Lukal

Why do people work? So they can be rich like them. You can set a negative example or a positive one. Which would you prefer?

He can be pretty abrasive. But "that's why people like him" apparently it's "real" lol. Never know though... never know. Perhaps one day. But not now.

Wow. Then again when diplomacy fails... long live politics!

...at first I was trying to be concerned, allegedly. But the fact that semi-unique word is used by him only an hour after I suggested you should... is interesting. Politics, man. Game of Thrones. Good people can be controlled by emotions, by those without. Trust no one. Especially on the internet.

Or to put it in meme speak. I'm in ur inbox eating ur PMz.

Fight battles of spirit not flesh. Or mind not matter. Of course, spillover can always occur.

Who or what stop someone from trying to get ahead or perhaps even steal. Who controls them? This is perfectionist, idealist, utopian... wrongness. Lol.

Everything we eat turns to shit. — Frank Apisa

Which turns to fertilizer. Which in turn grows more food. Ergo, buying groceries is a scam. :wink:

These 10 words not only served to delay my response, but also required me to temper my response a number of times. For that, I thank you. — Scemo Villaggio

Just more of what I was saying. Gotta be right. Gotta have core beliefs protected and unchallenged. Until. Well. Let's not worry about that.

Shouldn't take much. It's already the majority view- by far. Summed up by the repeated use of "my". What works for me vs. thee, essentially.

Not quite so nuanced and black and white though. You seem to at least recognize the difference in an intellectual manner which already places you far above the actual majority. God speed. And good luck. Not that you need it... then again, not that I know your situation, perceived or not.

That's the paradox. One leaves another comes in. Why not just say the way to prevent death is for life to leave. Lol. Everyone has to make it worth their time or at least cover expense. Difference is, some won't bother with wellbeing of others. Unless they know they have to. Open media they say. Do the most powerful countries not have persons who care nothing about others and just want to smash and grab while keeping a clean image? Absolutely. Instead of being unrealistic, it's best to be discerning. Educated. Connected. And open. Options weighed. Like they say, better the devil you know.

Only chaff likes to see others complain and in misery. With or without cause. Crab mentality in a nutshell. Of course, the best chaff knows to appear as wheat, which can at times fool even the wisest of folk. And of course, no one knows what circumstances fathered a person and their mentality, views, attitude, or mannerisms. Someone awful could have secured much wealth and prosperity for a sibling who now lives in perfection that interacts with someone whom it was stolen from that now lives in anguish. You judge using a simple observation of the two you may miscategorize.

It's not something folk are meant to do. That is, your judgement is of your own and for your own. The ultimate process is something that takes far more than any one lifetime. Besides. If it were of such urgency, the amount of chaff would be in numbers where complaining is far from their first option.

Eliminating ie. de-incentivising via education and enlightenment versus fascist suppression of human thought and free will in a person's own mind for goodness sake is a world of difference. You can create a system like that, but you won't be able to control it for very long.

"Unexplained neologisms, distorted grammars, contradictory phrases, unusual meanings of words, endless sequences of ideas without conclusion, unstructured texts..."

Any of these from someone well known.

In a word, no. That's why it's not science and total enslavement. Lol. As some would say... always when they do harm to others never when it's done to themselves though. Then all the hands folds and knees bow.

Post some examples of short passages that encapsulate what you mean.

Bury the human story then. If you don't remember the past it's sure to repeat itself. The solution is thought police. Which is doable if you're the majority. Otherwise, I wouldn't recommend it.

Ironic how backwards and detrimental doing so would be toward preventing corruption, The utopia you imagine is actually a dystopia of the worst kind. I have a feeling people confuse eliminating corruption with eliminating people talking or knowing about it. Am I wrong?

How so? You don't know you'll be around long enough to ensure any offspring is raised desirably, even if you are you don't know they'd follow along.

Maybe then. For the past 300 years- at least- science has been advancing and creating so much including possibility the imagination is barely able to keep up. And this presents a new danger. Or perhaps... the two are one and the same.

Obvious answer. Like a suicide pact. You never really know if it's carried out.

What kind of things at the hands of modern day humanity could be described analogously with pandoras box? — Benj96

Science. Technology. Both already proven to a ridiculous extent.

You can't really blame Pandora though. Someone created both her and the box. It can be argued the nature of both Pandora and the box should perhaps have been more adequately accounted for.

Tongue in cheek, sounds like more women bashing to me. :grin:

You're stubborn, I'll give you that. — fishfry

Ah. Harkens back to the last words of the state as they executed the heliocentrist. Before they were disproved and later overthrown of course. How reminiscent.

You insult me by acting like you aren't trying to insult me, when your objective is clear. — Mac

I do apologize for that and would like if you believed that was far from my intent other than to say yeah, as far as quantifying life and other decent ideals I was merely asserting a kind of nurture over nature defines our sense of morals, ideals, etc. I even said you were presumably a decent person.

We're on the same page as far as objection to OP's premise. Mine is simply solely based on the fact no one is perfect as shown by DNA evidence exonerating people often some who spent decades incarcerated and so you could be performing inhumane acts on a perfectly innocent man when you think you're not. That could have unexpected ramifications.

I go through great pains to seperate the art from the artist. I don't "know" anyone here personally so like most people hopefully they respond to ideas, concepts, and assertions versus persons, personas, or anything personal like that.