Then you go off on a mystical tangent, and try to drag physics along with you. For me that's an unjustified overextension. — Banno
Is this more an academia problem? — Count Timothy von Icarus
The missing foghorn between your ships passing in the night is that Banno thinks that idealism entails solipsism, unless I have misunderstood. — bert1
For the "world" yes but for the Universe, no—as far as I know this is not correct for Heidegger at least (who I studied extensively at one time).I believe that Heidegger acknowledges the existence of the extra-human universe, but that is not what he is concerned with when he deals with being (being-in-the-world) or Dasein. — Janus
1) Why would you pursue romantic love and familial life in the first place and not just enlightenment? — schopenhauer1
When is it subjective? If the construction of our eyes is such that the cones carry the photo pigment and communicates with the brain when light waves enter, which causes us to see colors, then how is that subjective? — L'éléphant
I maintain that there is stuff that is true even if we don't know, believe, or whatever, that it is true. — Banno
I would take that remark seriously if you demonstrated any grasp of the point I'm making. — Banno
1. There exist objects that are mind-independent
2. We can grasp the features of objects external to our mind
3. We can justify our knowledge of objects external to our minds — Sirius
I have no dog in this fight — schopenhauer1
It is a paradox. — L'éléphant
My take is that when Wittgenstein refers to the world he is referring to the world of human experience and judgement. He's not referring to the extra-human Universe. — Janus
He stepped beyond the solipsism that traps you. — Banno
But you know that this is mostly crap. Realism/idealism is a false opposition. — Banno
But again, resolving a bad case of Cartesian anxiety is probably not on anyone's agenda, philosophically -- if by "resolving" we mean actually finding certainty of the sort Descartes longed for. — J
There is no one obviously correct story. — J
Science relies for its practice on no particular metaphysical beliefs. — Janus
Similarly, I think I know what you mean when you talk about the early-modern quest for certainty; there's no doubt that epistemological concerns have characterized much of philosophy since Descartes. — J
Cartesian anxiety refers to the notion that, since René Descartes posited his influential form of body-mind dualism, Western civilization has suffered from a longing for ontological certainty, or feeling that scientific methods, and especially the study of the world as a thing separate from ourselves, should be able to lead us to a firm and unchanging knowledge of ourselves and the world around us. The term is named after Descartes because of his well-known emphasis on "mind" as different from "body", "self" as different from "other".
such talk is no longer philosophical discourse, in my understanding — J
The person pursuing love/in love would fight you tooth-and-nail if you were to say that this was just an attachment. The surge of hormonal response to someone who has won at love, would rebel to such a degree, that your nothingness would be thrown aside for the sweet embrace of eros-turned-philia that a stable long-term relationship might take. — schopenhauer1
There are two ways in which someone can take rebirth after death: rebirth under the sway of karma and destructive emotions and rebirth through the power of compassion and prayer. Regarding the first, due to ignorance, negative and positive karma are created and their imprints remain on the consciousness. These are reactivated through craving and grasping, propelling us into the next life. We then take rebirth involuntarily in higher or lower realms. This is the way ordinary beings circle incessantly through existence like the turning of a wheel*. Even under such circumstances ordinary beings can engage diligently with a positive aspiration in virtuous practices in their day-to-day lives. They familiarise themselves with virtue that at the time of death can be reactivated providing the means for them to take rebirth in a higher realm of existence. On the other hand, superior Bodhisattvas, who have attained the path of seeing, are not reborn through the force of their karma and destructive emotions, but due to the power of their compassion for sentient beings and based on their prayers to benefit others. They are able to choose their place and time of birth as well as their future parents. — H H The Dalai Lama
It's not "useless" unless you feel there needs to be a "use", and that presupposes "something" about what you think philosophy must conclude, no? — schopenhauer1
Why do you suppose it is important for you that there be a salvation of some sort? — schopenhauer1
"Nihilism" again, is a shifty label that itself is pointless. — schopenhauer1
':Our capacity for self-awareness of existence, has enormous capacity to open up the Suffering entailed in existence. — schopenhauer1
Of course these posters oppose the kind of radical pessimism and antinatalism I speak of.
Plotinus wishes to speak of a thinking that is not discursive but intuitive, i.e. that it is knowing and what it is knowing are immediately evident to it. There is no gap then between thinking and what is thought--they come together in the same moment, which is no longer a moment among other consecutive moments, one following upon the other. Rather, the moment in which such a thinking takes place is immediately present and without difference from any other moment, i.e. its thought is no longer chronological but eternal. To even use names, words, to think about such a thinking is already to implicate oneself in a time of separated and consecutive moments (i.e. chronological) and to have already forgotten what it is one wishes to think, namely thinking and what is thought intuitively together. — Classroom Notes on Plotinus
Anything that's common must be good at existing in one way or another, or else it would not exist. So, since religion is common amongst humans, it must serve some beneficial purpose, or else people would either quit believing in it, or the believers would die out. — Brendan Golledge
As I estimate, Trump and the Trump yes-men will create a huge clusterfuck of government inability. Yes, the Trump voters just like that, but in the end nothing will happen. Trump will just have a temper tantrum because nothing has happened. He will fire people as long as there is loyal Trumpists willing to take the position. — ssu
In another thread Socratic Philosophy I argued that because the Good is beyond being it cannot be known. — Fooloso4
We are talking about realism and antirealism. You brought in constructivism. — Banno
Let's take the knowability principle: ∀p(p → ◊Kp). — Michael
Schopenhauer: Procreation perpetuates the "will to life" and endless striving. — schopenhauer1
My comments about truth being a single-placed predicate are intended to show that there are uses for assigning truth to sentences outside of our attitudes towards them. I've highlighted these elsewhere -
Surprise
We are sometimes surprised by things that are unexpected. How is this possible if all that is true is already known to be true?
Agreement
Overwhelmingly, you and I agree as to what is true. How is that explainable if all there is to being true is attitudes? How to explain why we share the same attitude?
Error
We sometimes are wrong about how things are. How can this be possible if all that there is to a statement's being true is our attitude towards it? — Banno
you simply regurgitate the unsupportable "witchhunt" claims of Trump and his propoganda machine. — Relativist
I haven’t grasped a form of qualitative value judgement, in keeping with an ethical discipline, in phenomenology, even if some sort of specialized perception for what is, is its objective. — Mww
My approach is based on facts; — Seeker25
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