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  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    One of the wisest things ever said on the topic of natural selfishness and altruism was said more than 2000 years ago by a Rabbi who had no idea of genetics. He said:

    If I am not for myself, who will be for me? But if I am only for myself, what am I?
    -- Hillel
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    Maybe whatever you are looking for is not what they were looking for.

    I've read quite a lot of Levi Strauss, and he too speaks of complex knowledge systems and forms of science among hunter-gatherers. In fact, those guys need to be far smarter and knowledgeable than we need to be to survive. Don't underestimate them.
  • Are cells sentient?
    In organ transplant, the issue is that often the immune system of the recipient does not recognise the new organ as belonging to the individual. It sense that it is foreign, and treats it as a threat.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...


    "If today I had a young mind to direct, to start on the journey of life, and I was faced with the duty of choosing between the natural way of my forefathers and that of the... present way of civilization, I would, for its welfare, unhesitatingly set that child's feet in the path of my forefathers. I would raise him to be an Indian!"

    "The old Lakota was wise. He knew that a man's heart away from Nature becomes hard; he knew that lack of respect for growing, living things soon lead to a lack of respect for humans too."

    "The animals had rights -- the right of man's protection, the right to live, the right to multiply, the right to freedom, and the right to man's indebtedness -- and in recognition of these rights the Lakota never enslaved an animal and spared all life that was not needed for food and clothing. For the animal and bird world there existed a brotherly feeling that kept the Lakota safe among them."

    "This concept of life and its relations was humanizing and gave to the Lakota an abiding love. It filled his being with the joy and mystery of living; it gave him reverence for all life; it made a place for all things in the scheme of existence with equal importance to all."

    "No one was quick with a question, no matter how important, and no one was pressed for an answer. A pause giving time for thought was the truly courteous way of beginning and conducting a conversation."
    Luther Standing Bear
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    Hunter-gatherers likely did not have these profound questions.Kenosha Kid
    Hunter-gatherers still exist, and they may ask themselves more profound questions than you think, thank you very much.
  • Are cells sentient?
    Does this mean cells cannot be sentient or if so that their sentience is completely removed from the individual humans sentience?Benj96
    Experiments have demonstrated the ability of some monocellular animals to learn, forget, and relearn something or some behavior (relearn in far less time than it took then to learn the first time around).

    E.g. this research.

    This would imply that cells can learn, or store behavioral information. In this perspective, neurons are just cells that are specialized in information management; they do that muchbbetter than other cells, because they are specialized, but they don't have a monopoly on it. Other cells in our body can perhaps learn some stuff too.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    That explains all, thanks.Kenosha Kid
    Of course it does. You're a sucker for snake oil salesmen of fake certainties, when I'm not.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    It's true that The Selfish Gene is partly ideological--I think that all popular biology is inescapably ideological--but it's in the realm of Hobbes rather than Hitler, and with a certain liberal and "scientific rationalist" understanding of the Enlightenment. It has little in common with Nazism.jamalrob
    I'm not saying Dawkins was a nazi. I am saying that the reason Widgley was furious is that she spotted (or believed she did spot) an echo of social Darwinism in his book.

    Dawkins's moral and political message is that, thanks to our unique intelligence and scientific society, we are not slaves to our genes, that we are free--precisely the opposite of what you imply he's saying.jamalrob
    How can machines be free, though? By science? So science tells them human machines that it's rational to be altruistic with other human machines who are related to them, and not with, say, human machines that are very different from them genetically. And therefore??? science tells them human machines to fight their natural racist tendencies? Like, why? If being racist is rational and natural, why should it be avoided?
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    Apparently you've never read it.Kenosha Kid

    Don't confuse me with a sucker. I could already spot a fake philosopher when the book came out. I remember it took me about 2 seconds of analysis, as the thesis was relayed to me by a friend, to conclude it was scientifically absurd and morally jaundiced.

    Religion-blind, sure.Kenosha Kid
    And yet you're not. The issue here is that Darwin can be weaponized against religion, and that Gould has blunt this weapon a tiny little bit. That's the only reason you are pissed off about him, and so blatantly unfair. Your passion about this is unhealthy; it comes from a dark place and it makes you do seriously objectionable shit.
  • Deep Songs
    I still have all of them.Mayor of Simpleton
    You are lucky man. I have moved so many times in my life that I only have kept a dozen of my old LPs. Not that I ever bought a lot of them. There was a very nice modern library where we lived when I was a teen, one of these French socialist cities with big cultural agendas at the time. Context: this was just before Mitterrand's election as president in 81, the left was on the rise in the country for the first time in several decades. This brand new library has a huge comics section, which garnered my attention, as will as an extensive library of LPs, which you could listen on site with excellent headphones and armchairs... By the end of the three years I spent there, I had listened to pretty much all their thousands of pop LPs. Plus a few jazz ones.

    My heart was for Patti Smith.


    The boy was in the hallway drinking a glass of tea
    From the other end of the hallway a rhythm was generating
    Another boy was sliding up the hallway
    He merged perfectly with the hallway,
    He merged perfectly, the mirror in the hallway
    The boy looked at Johnny, Johnny wanted to run,
    But the movie kept moving as planned
    The boy took Johnny, he pushed him against the locker,
    He drove it in, he drove it home, he drove it deep in Johnny
    The boy disappeared, Johnny fell on his knees,
    Started crashing his head against the locker,
    Started crashing his head against the locker,
    Started laughing hysterically
    When suddenly Johnny gets the feeling he's being surrounded by
    Horses, horses, horses, horses
    Coming in in all directions
    White shining, silver studs with their nose in flames,
    He saw horses, horses, horses, horses, horses, horses, horses, horses.
    Do you know how to pony like bony maroney
    Do you know how to twist, well it goes like this, it goes like this
    Baby mash potato, do the alligator, do the alligator
    And you twist the twister like your baby sister
    I want your baby sister, give me your baby sister, dig your baby sister
    Rise up on her knees, do the sweet pea, do the sweet pee pee,
    Roll down on her back, got to lose control, got to lose control,
    Got to lose control and then you take control,
    Then you're rolled down on your back and you like it like that,
    Like it like that, like it like that, like it like that,
    Then you do the watusi, yeah do the watusi
    Life is filled with holes, Johnny's laying there, in his sperm coffin
    Angel looks down at him and says, "Oh, pretty boy,
    Can't you show me nothing but surrender?"
    Johnny gets up, takes off his leather jacket,
    Taped to his chest there's the answer,
    You got pen knives and jack knives and
    Switchblades preferred, switchblades preferred
    Then he cries, then he screams, saying
    Life is full of pain, I'm cruisin' through my brain
    And I fill my nose with snow and go Rimbaud,
    Go Rimbaud, go Rimbaud,
    And go Johnny go, and do the watusi, oh do the watusi
    There's a little place, a place called space
    It's a pretty little place, it's across the tracks,
    Across the tracks and the name of the place is you like it like that,
    You like it like that, you like it like that, you like it like that,
    And the name of the band is the
    Twistelettes, Twistelettes, Twistelettes, Twistelettes,
    Twistelettes, Twistelettes, Twistelettes, Twistelettes
    Baby calm down, better calm down,
    On the night, in the eye of the forest
    There's a mare black and shining with yellow hair,
    I put my fingers through her silken hair and found a stair,
    I didn't waste time, I just walked right up and saw that
    Up there, there is a sea
    Up there, there is a sea
    Up there, there is a sea
    The sea's the possibility
    There is no land but the land (Up there is just a sea of possibilities)
    There is no sea but the sea (Up there is a wall of possibilities)
    There is no keeper of the key (Up there there are several walls of possibilities)
    Except for one who seizes possibilities, one who seizes possibilities. (Up there)
    I seize the first possibility, is the sea around me
    I was standing there with my legs spread like a sailor
    I felt his hand on my knee (On the screen)
    And I looked at Johnny and handed him a branch of cold flame (In the heart of man)
    The waves were coming in like Arabian stallions
    Gradually lapping into sea horses
    He picked up the blade and he pressed it against his smooth throat(The spoon)
    And let it deep in (The veins)
    Dip in to the sea, to the sea of possibilities (It started hardening)
    Dip in to the sea, to the sea of possibilities
    I put my hand inside his cranium, oh we had such a brainiac-amour
    But no more, no more, I gotta move from my mind to the area
    (Go Rimbaud, go Rimbaud, go Rimbaud)
    And go Johnny go and do the watusi,
    Yeah do the watusi, do the watusi
    Shined open, coiled snakes white and shiny twirling and encircling
    Our lives are now entwined, we will fall yes we're together twining
    Your nerves, your mane of the black shining horse
    And my fingers all entwined in your silky hair,
    I could feel it, it was the hair going through my fingers,
    The hairs were like wires going through my body
    I, I that's how I
    That's how I
    I died (At that Tower of Babel they knew what they were after)
    (They knew what they were after)
    (Everything on the current) Moved up
    I tried to stop it, but it was too warm, too unbelievably smooth,
    Like playing in the sea, in the sea of possibility, the possibility
    Was a blade, a shiny blade, I hold the key to the sea of possibilities
    There's no land, but the land
    Looked at my hands, and there's a red stream
    That went streaming through the sands like fingers,
    Like arteries, like fingers
    He lay, pressing it against his throat (Your eyes)
    He opened his throat (Your eyes)
    His vocal chords started shooting like (of a horse) mad pituitary glands
    The scream he made (and my heart) was so high (my heart) pitched that nobody heard,
    No one heard that cry,
    No one heard (Johnny) the butterfly flapping in his throat,
    Nobody heard, he was on that bed, it was like a sea of jelly,
    And so he seized the first (His vocal chords shot up)
    It was a black tube, he felt himself disintegrate (There is nothing happening at all)
    And go inside the black tube, so when he looked out into the steep
    Saw this sweet young thing (Fender one)
    Humping on the parking meter, leaning on the parking meter
    In the sheets
    There was a man
    Dancing around
    To the simple
    Rock & roll
    Song

  • Would it be a good idea to teach young children about philosophy?
    In my experience it's useful to start from them kids' own philosophical questions rather than ram Kant down their throats.

    As a teen I was babysitting for pocket money. One night, two wonderfully funny, happy and beautiful kids, 7 and 5, asked me very very seriously the following question: Why do people die?

    Maybe their grandmother had died or another kid at school, something like that. Or maybe they had learnt about death in a less direct way.

    I got the sense that they were asking me because they trusted me. I was not yet an adult, still a kid like them. Adults tend to lie to their children about these things, they whitewash the tragedies of life not to scare them.

    So I tried to tell them the truth the way I saw it. Told them that when you play a lot with a toy, the toy gets a bit broken here or there, always, and sometimes you can repair the damage and sometimes not. And when the toy is totally broken then it cannot be repaired anymore. The same thing happens to people. They take hits, they get a bit broken here or there, and in the end you can't repair them anymore. But this takes a long time, people are much stronger than toys, they live much longer, so you don't have to worry about it right now.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    Very true. And yet, metaphysically speaking the greatest advantage of the theory of evolution is that it does not require a central all powerful 'big boss' deciding everything. Evolution can be messy, undirected and random, and yet work over the long term.

    But then, messy, undirected and random does not work for everybody. Some people, to this day, are still afraid about the idea that evolution has no direction, no predictability. It gives them vertigo. And I think this is why they are replacing "God the Creator" by "Gene the Selfish". Because you see, they need a boss.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    But I think it is also important to consider how important it is for scientists to be wrongflaco
    Yes, very true. All scientists have been wrong so far, one way or another. But the dispute here is not really about genetics. It has ideological undertone. Three examples:

    1. Research into the possible genetic basis of altruism was represented by Dawkins under a title referring to selfishness, against all logic. Why? Probably because this way it could sell better in the zeitgeist, and incidentally served to justify rightist policies, whereas the idea that evolution rewards altruism would presumably have had the opposite political effect.

    2. The reason Midgley was furious about Gene the Shellfish was that it described human beings as slaves to their genes. Such full biological determinism is eminently ideological -- it tells people that they are not free -- and it's an ideology with dark history (eugenism, racism, slavery, nazism, etc.).

    3. The reason Kenosha Kid here is willing to die on Dawkins hill is purely religious: Dawkins was an aggressive atheist, while his chief contradictor Gould was a benevolent agnostic who did not fancy attacking religion. And since the Kid is also an atheist, he sees Gould as a "bad guy" who dared to criticize his Atheist hero Dawkins. So he busies himself painting Gould as religious. He called him a "Creationist" and an "Orthodox Jew", against all evidence to the contrary.

    All the posturing, spite and confusion on this thread are ideological in nature.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    I love cats, BTW, for what they are i.e. their selfishness included.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    Genetic overlap between humans and plants? IDK. Our basic metabolism is very similar to theirs, we breathe as plants do, except their have photosynthesis and we don't. Their hormonal system is also totally different from ours, and we have a set of enzymes for digestion that they lack. Maybe 20 % of common DNA between you and your begonia?

    Midgley provides a simple answer to your question, by the way. She says that genes may shape emotions, rather than shape behaviors directly, at least in this case. So the idea is that genes for general benevolence and empathy for other living beings may have been selected because they proved efficacious among social species. We spent most of our prehistorical time in the company of our siblings, and so did our social ancestors for millions of years. Therefore, a hypothetical predisposition for general kindness underwritten somewhere in our genome would have most of the times benefited a cousin or another anyway, in practice.

    But sometimes, a human baby gets adopted by wolves, or a begonia by a human being, and it also 'gells'.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    I'm not all that closely related to my cat, yet I feed it, even going out of my way to the pet shop to buy it a special diet recommended by the vet, at considerable expense.

    How does evolution explain this?
    Banno

    You and your cat share about 90% of common DNA. You're far closer to him phylogenetically than you think.

    Going on a limb here but... Let's see. The Price-Hamilton theory predicts that one's feelings of solidarity correlates with genetic closeness. That means one is more likely to feel a desire to help a sibling than a cousin, more likely to want to help a cousin than a more distant relative, etc. I think it's generally correct, statistically speaking; it would help explain the pregnancy and universality of racism for instance. But if we go beyond the species, the theory predicts that we are more likely to bound with mammals than with reptiles or fish because we are closest to them, which I think is also by and large true.
  • Deep Songs
    WWWWWHHHHHHAAAATTTTTTTT? The LP?

  • Deep Songs
    The first band I sort of really clicked on was French band Telephone, who had fantastic lyrics. I saw then three times in concert. They disbanded after a few excellent album. Here is the first song I heard of them. It's a metaphor about life being like a game of flipper. With lyrics such as "You're given three balls to play with; the first one, you're a kid; the second, you're a grown up; the third one, you're old. And then the last bumper sends you to the last hole. On your tomb is written: It's More Fun To Compete"... Profond, non?



    On te donne trois balles
    La première t'es un môme
    Tu prends la cadence,
    Tu entres dans la danse
    Dans la violence des chocs
    Tu comprends ta chance
    Tu sais maintenant comment
    Ton histoire commence

    On joue sa vie comme on joue au flipper
    Déjà tout môme on flippe de bumper en bumper
    On gagne on perd, et toujours on espère
    Pouvoir s'en refaire une petite
    Gratuite, gratuite, gratuite, gratuite

    On te donne trois balles
    La deuxième t'es un grand
    Il faut te démerder
    Tu commences à ruser
    Tu cherche un abri
    Et quand tu l'as trouvé
    Tu te vois éjecté
    A vitesse grand V
    Vers le bumper d'en face
    Qui t'attend dans l'impasse

    On joue sa vie etc.

    Attention au tilt!
    T'as perdu la boule mon gars!

    On te donne trois balles
    La troisième t'es un vieux
    Vieux, vieux, vieux, vieux, vieux, vieux, trop vieux
    Tu es très fatigué
    Tu veux te reposer
    Tu branles la machine
    Tu courbes l'échine
    Le dernier bumper
    T'envoie dans le dernier trou
    Sur ta tombe il y a écrit:
    IT'S MORE FUN TO COMPETE

    On joue sa vie etc.
  • Deep Songs
    Can't speak of Euro post-punk scene without evoking Klaus Nomi and Kraftwerk.

  • Deep Songs

    TC Matic was a punk Belgium group whom I saw live in my youth.

    Putain, putain
    C'est vachement bien
    Nous sommes quand même
    Tous des Européens!

  • Deep Songs
    In the same Belgian New Wave vibe, a cover of a 1950's song by Charles Trenet.

  • Deep Songs
    Haaaarrrrr that's pulsing all right.
  • Deep Songs
    Nice!

    "Ca plane pour moi" means more that "it works for me"; it means "I'm gliding" or less literally "everything's super smooth for me".

  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    Further in the same wiki entry on Gould, a paragraph is illuminating:

    Against Sociobiology

    In 1975 [one year prior to the publication of The Selfish Gene], Gould's Harvard colleague E. O. Wilson introduced his analysis of animal behavior (including human behavior) based on a sociobiological framework that suggested that many social behaviors have a strong evolutionary basis.[52] In response, Gould, Richard Lewontin, and others from the Boston area wrote the subsequently well-referenced letter to The New York Review of Books entitled, "Against 'Sociobiology'". This open letter criticized Wilson's notion of a "deterministic view of human society and human action."[53]

    But Gould did not rule out sociobiological explanations for many aspects of animal behavior, and later wrote: "Sociobiologists have broadened their range of selective stories by invoking concepts of inclusive fitness and kin selection to solve (successfully I think) the vexatious problem of altruism—previously the greatest stumbling block to a Darwinian theory of social behavior... Here sociobiology has had and will continue to have success. And here I wish it well. For it represents an extension of basic Darwinism to a realm where it should apply."[54]

    So, it's all about altruism, after all. NOT selfishness, and NOT some sort of metaphor of altruism but the real behavior, that consists in an individual helping another even when that help costs the individual a little something. This behavior, common in the animal world in particular among social animals, had prior to Hamilton and Price no Darwinian explanation. The mechanism for the genetic selection of altruism that they came up with is simple enough: sacrificing a bit of your own comfort for someone with similar genes than yours ultimately benefits the genes you have in common and their future odds of survival. Altruism to members of the same clan can get positively selected over the long run because it benefits the survival of the group and their somewhat common genepool.

    The discovery depressed Price mightily, who later committed suicide. But it could be seen, rather than as a depressing idea, as a very positive one in that it means that evolution rewards kindness.

    Enters Dawkins, who repackages the idea as "the selfish gene", for reasons probably linked to the zeitgeist. "The Altruistic Gene" would not have sold quite as well in the rising individualism of the late 70s. In doing so, Dawkins muddles the debate quite a lot. But thanks to Stephen J Gould, we now have a clear idea of the historical sequence and of the real stakes at hand.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    Stephen Jay Gould was born in Queens, New York, on September 10, 1941. His father Leonard was a court stenographer and a World War II veteran in the United States Navy. His mother Eleanor was an artist, whose parents were Jewish immigrants living and working in the city's Garment District.[10] Gould and his younger brother Peter were raised in Bayside, a middle-class neighborhood in the northeastern section of Queens.[11] He attended P.S. 26 elementary school and graduated from Jamaica High School.[12]

    When Gould was five years old his father took him to the Hall of Dinosaurs in the American Museum of Natural History, where he first encountered Tyrannosaurus rex. "I had no idea there were such things—I was awestruck," Gould once recalled.[13] It was in that moment that he decided to become a paleontologist.[14]

    Raised in a secular Jewish home, Gould did not formally practice religion and preferred to be called an agnostic.[15] When asked directly if he was an agnostic in Skeptic magazine, he responded:

    If you absolutely forced me to bet on the existence of a conventional anthropomorphic deity, of course I'd bet no. But, basically, Huxley was right when he said that agnosticism is the only honorable position because we really cannot know. And that's right. I'd be real surprised if there turned out to be a conventional God.

    Though he "had been brought up by a Marxist father"[16] he stated that his father's politics were "very different" from his own.[17] In describing his own political views, he has said they "tend to the left of center."[18] According to Gould the most influential political books he read were C. Wright Mills' The Power Elite and the political writings of Noam Chomsky.[18]

    While attending Antioch College in the early 1960s, Gould was active in the civil rights movement and often campaigned for social justice.[19] When he attended the University of Leeds as a visiting undergraduate, he organized weekly demonstrations outside a Bradford dance hall which refused to admit black people. Gould continued these demonstrations until the policy was revoked.[20] Throughout his career and writings, he spoke out against cultural oppression in all its forms, especially what he saw as the pseudoscience used in the service of racism and sexism.[21]

    Interspersed throughout his scientific essays for Natural History magazine, Gould frequently referred to his nonscientific interests and pastimes. As a boy he collected baseball cards and remained an avid New York Yankees fan throughout his life.[22] As an adult he was fond of science fiction movies, but often lamented their poor storytelling and presentation of science.[23] His other interests included singing baritone in the Boston Cecilia, and he was a great aficionado of Gilbert and Sullivan operas.[24] He collected rare antiquarian books, possessed an enthusiasm for architecture, and delighted in city walks. He often traveled to Europe, and spoke French, German, Russian, and Italian. He sometimes alluded ruefully to his tendency to put on weight.[25]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jay_Gould
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    The New Axis: Moscow - Beijing - Washington
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    Yes, there got to be a bad guy. The Germans and the French are now playing jokari. It's your turn to play the role of the world fascist menace.
  • Deep Songs
    Overcoming the dyslexia and learning another language was probably my only accomplishment worthy of noting.Mayor of Simpleton
    I remember my German lessons from college:

    Tear of Nature

    Open window presents
    Clouds of sparrows, fluttering of heaven
    Wind blows, my nose is freezing
    And a few exhaust pipes rattle

    Ah, then sun is going down
    Red, with gold, so it shall be
    When I look down onto the street
    I remember my acquaintance

    Promptly now, my heart is getting heavy
    I only need to see birds fluttering
    And if my gaze then flies heavenwards
    The soul will hurt as well, how nice

    Nature in the evening, silent city
    Wrenched soul, tears running
    All of this makes you mighty weary
    And I just keep on whining

    Aaaaahhhhhhh...

  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    There got to be some division of labor you see? Poor Jesus can't do everything.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    I'm not interested in liars who wallow in their own lies, sorry.
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    Jesus will only rapture the Europeans. You guys are left to Satan.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    You are lying about Gould. That's pretty disgusting. No offense...
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    Gould is a creationistKenosha Kid
    LOL. You can't beat this place for entertainment.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    I don't buy Price, Gould or Dawkin's analysis. Altruism is grounded in empathyFrancisRay
    The interesting contribution (for me) that Midgley provides in her solid take-down of "Gene the Shellfish" is that social behaviors are mediated by emotions, such as indeed empathy, affection, but also anger, envy, etc. So she is saying, perhaps as you are saying, that in-between genes and behaviors, there's a third level, that of emotions. Our genes may somehow affect our emotional make up, and our emotional make up affects our behaviors. In short, the route between genes and our behaviors would be indirect, and go through emotions.

    All this is of course theoretical: it's essentially based on mathematical formulas, rather than on empirical data about the actual altruism of elephants or fishes.
  • Midgley vs Dawkins, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Mackie, Rand, Singer...
    I've looked into the "Darwin Wars", wars in which the Midgley-Dawkins dispute is seen as an important battle. Gould is branded as playing the leading role on Midgley's camp, and Dawkins as leading the other camp.

    Another important drama in these "wars" was the mathematical discoveries and subsequent suicide of George Price, a colleague of Hamilton. This is interesting re. the possible consequences of bad philosophy, so here is the story (from Wiki):

    Price was a mathematician who approached Hamilton late in his life, and out of the blue developed a new interpretation of Fisher's fundamental theorem of natural selection, the Price equation, which has now been accepted as its best interpretation. He wrote what is still widely held to be the best mathematical, biological and evolutionary representation of altruism. He also pioneered the application of game theory to evolutionary biology, in a co-authored 1973 paper with John Maynard Smith. Furthermore, Price reasoned that in the same way as an organism may sacrifice itself and further its genes (altruism) an organism may sacrifice itself to eliminate others of the same species if it enabled closely related organisms to better propagate their related genes. This negative altruism was described in a paper published by W. D. Hamilton and is termed Hamiltonian spite.

    Price's 'mathematical' theory of altruism reasons that organisms are more likely to show altruism toward each other as they become more genetically similar to each other. Thus, in a species that requires two parents to reproduce, an organism is most likely to show altruistic behavior to a biological parent, full sibling, or direct offspring. The reason for this is that each of these relatives' genetic makeup contains (on average in the case of siblings) 50% of the genes that are found in the original organism. So if the original organism dies as a result of an altruistic act it can still manage to propagate its full genetic heritage as long as two or more of these close relatives are saved. Consequently, an organism is less likely to show altruistic behavior to a biological grandparent, grandchild, aunt/uncle, niece/nephew or half-sibling (each carry one-fourth of the genes found in the original organism); and even less likely to show altruism to a first cousin (carrying one-eighth of the genes found in the original organism). The theory then asserts that the further genetically removed two organisms are from each other, the less likely they are to show altruism to each other.

    On 6 June 1970, Price, until then an atheist, had a religious experience and became an ardent Christian.

    Price grew increasingly depressed by the implications of his equation. As part of an attempt to prove his theory right or wrong, he began showing an ever-increasing amount of random kindness to complete strangers. In this way, he dedicated the latter part of his life to helping the homeless, often inviting homeless people to live in his house. Sometimes, when the people in his house became a distraction, he slept in his office at the Galton Laboratory. He also gave up everything to help alcoholics; yet as he helped them steal his belongings, he increasingly fell into depression.

    He was eventually evicted from his rented house owing to a construction project in the area, making him unhappy because he could no longer provide housing for the homeless. He moved to various squats in the North London area, and became depressed over Christmas, 1974.

    Possibly due to the long-term complications of his thyroid treatment, Price committed suicide on January 6, 1975 by cutting his carotid artery with a pair of nail scissors. His body was identified by his close colleague, W.D. Hamilton.
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