@tim wood Your problem is you are way too fond of sweeping generalisations and unfounded assumptions and then when you cant understand a nuance you resort to your prejudicial generalisations even further.
You have enough in this small thread to identify your bad habits and inaccuracies.
Seriously,read back this thread carefully and honestly and you will see what is meant.
I'm all for banter and humour but your stuff is just strawman caricatures and misrepresentations.
What I find funny is your critique of subjectivity said with all your subjective fervour!!! I wouldn't mind but you seem unaware and unwilling to acknowledge your subjectivity.
Oh well,maybe platos subjective opinions will help you realise what subjectivity really is.

@Banno A description is a use. Do you not use descriptions? Yes Asif the description tells you describes to you the personal sound I respond to in context. And describes me as a human. As time goes you can add to the description my name describes. "That pesky TPF poster who is too clever by half",etc etc.
Names and words Always carry a description,those who are unaware of this may look at how names identify and describe things to the exclusion of other things and carry implications,like being human,etc. Naming is describing.
A rigid designator? You mean a rigid description!
Kripke another confused soul lacking common sense.
I studied your 60 page plus thread of naming and necessity where Janus handed you your ass.
And I'm aware of the worship of witty and the banality of language is use language doesnt refer nonsense!!!!!!!!!
I'm Also aware of the way you sneakily insert chimeric contrasts and dichotomies like use and description!
Sorry,your philosophy your " language game" is procrustean. And your "use" is merely trying to bolster a beloved pet theory with has woeful descriptive accuracy.
New theory required mate.

@Metaphysician Undercover Perhaps you also believe Saddam Hussein had WMDs and that govts never lie or institute false flags and hoaxes for monetary purposes.
The corporations and mega wealthy elite surely gained by this whole fiasco? Debt and taxation and govt intervention
is now higher,and thstvis what was wanted right from the start.
It's funny folks believe chynah and other states are corrupt and issue disinformation but never there own just because the word democracy is bandied about.
The US elite are just as corrupt and worse than the chinese elite. Pearl harbour gulf of tomkin WMDs the banking system Edward Snowden???

@Anaxagoras Yes people die in emergency depts.
How old were they? Preexisting conditions? How many?
Proof of cause of death?
There are multiple verified reports of hospitals being empty and many reports of inaccurate death certificates and bogus diagnosis.
To say nothing of the non entity that is germ theory.
Asymptomatic carriers! Yep and grass is pink.
I know what I see with my own eyes and hear. Dont need some misinformed medic to get emotional. Your not the only source that works in a hospital.

@Metaphysician Undercover You could try to assess the situation with your own personal.experience . what makes you think the media are honest and correct in its reporting?

@Banno Identity and description are the same thing.
Words can have different degrees of description depending on context.
Your feigned socratic ignorance is textbook!

@Banno Lol! It is both. This atomistic dissection is funny. Even witty would scorn you for adhering too closely to the picture frame theory.

@Banno Nope,sleight of hand on the name.
Asif the name is a description of the sound used to identify me given a certain context.
And you are just asking for descriptions of descriptions.
I say look you say I cant see. That's on you.
Asif is a description of the sound and a synonym is that ot is My name. Just different descriptions of the same thing.

@Banno See,as I said above you will now throw numerous words at me like a pedant without recognising the general pattern and inference.
Abscence describes lack of prescence.
You are aware of the pattern yet?

@Banno The word that identifies my personal name.
Dependent on context once again.

@Banno Ah,right on cue! Nothing depends on context.
It describes the absence of something.
You think description is merely looking still???!

@Banno The feeling when I want to draw extra attention or specify more accurately what I'm describing.
This is easy. Common sense meets the neurosis of wittgenstein.
(Let's wager the multiple examples banno will throw at me now. Platos dialectical sophistry at work,the banality and predictability of the academic and wanting to over define eveything.)

@Banno It's an emphasis of the subject you are referring to. Emphasis is a part of description. This is fun!

@Banno That's a good boy. I don't dig on appeals to authority.

@Banno I've looked. There Descriptions. And they refer or point to descriptions. The referring and pointing Is part of the description. Is your post not describing your intention and meaning to me?
Wittegenstein = a few good ideas then obscurantism sophistry and pedantry.

@Banno Who said anything about not looking?
I can describe feelings without looking at them.

Protagorus the most astute of all famous philosophers explained this common sense about reality some time ago...But the perversion of common sense by Plato and academic philosophy strawmanned Protagorus.
Subjectivity does not equate to relativity.
Some descriptions are better than others. Some are agreed upon. And some are inaccurate. Some are even holy lies and propoganda. How simple it is for those who trust their common sense and dont run in fear to the idolatry of the holy lies.

@tim wood Total strawman.
Go read again. And how about asking for a clarification or asking how you have misunderstood my position.
Knee jerk could get no jerkier.

@bert1 Much appreciated. Though I'm sure many will see such common sense as "unphilosophical." Nor academic enough!

@Daniel It depends on the context and the idea expressed. You can say all you want. I said sometimes.
You ignore the context and what I'm saying. I will conduct my responses as I wish. I dont need your hackneyed generalisms.

Words are Descriptions. You dont need dictionaries for personal or agreed upon descriptions.
Definitions are just to see if your on the same page regarding a word. Many times it's a philosophical sleight of hand. Plato and Socrates made a whole career of bullshitting by sophistic and pedantic definitions.

@Daniel What is the person "itself"! Some kantian abstraction!? Some ideas are an expression of a person.
Or do you want to preach to me anymore how I Express myself?

@Daniel Sometimes the idea is an expression of the person.

@Daniel You call that an attack?
Wow! As I said before the snowflake preachy philosophy is well represented. You get a cupcake for your wise cliche.

@Daniel Philosophy precludes humour?
Go back to sleep.

@Daniel It's a joke. You know humour.

I see many of the sins of "philosophy" in this thread.
We just need some scientism and some political or religious propoganda and we can pin this thread for posterity. Maybe timmy will repent and see the error of his fallacies. :cool:

Nazi germany! I rest my case! Pure kneejerk clicheism with no nuance patience or attempt to understand the posters intent or analysis.
Let's be real. All truth/description is subjective/intersubjective. Doesnt mean all subjectivity is equal or agreed upon even accurate. Like a complete novice @tim wood

@tim wood Here's a man that doesnt understand clear english or subjectivity! Tbh,you are coming across as pretty dim now. Just strawmanning every post and being a pedant. Your lack of personal self awareness and knee jerk philosophical clicheism is telling.

@A Seagull Yep. This subjectivity is inter subjective in many cases as well. I do think ethics is Innate to some.
Morality seems more like authoritarian rules,something that tries to be imposed.
I like the practicalities aligning with ones Description! :up:

@Judaka A perfect illustration of what philosophy shouldnt be is mr @tim wood totally misunderstanding
what posters write or just ignoring anything that doesnt fall within a very narrow band of acceptable prejudices so he can try to lecture.
It seems folks cannot distinguish Innate philosophy from dry as dust academic platitudes.

@tim wood A Prejudice is an opinion based on deferral to Authority,
fear or incomplete knowledge.
The second term is obvious. All truth is subjective and inter subjective.
Now I'm sure you will run to a dictionary or some such deferral. And that proves my point!

@tim wood A man who doesnt know the difference between a prejudice and a subjective truth. :cool:

@tim wood You mean strawman zone. Your favorite!
Solipsism! So your suggesting we both agree Independently? Then what happened to solipsism!
I know I'm replying to timmy wood a seperate Identity.
Solipsism refuted.
Pathological!? Wheres that diagnosis from wiki?
Anything that doesnt fit your opinion you get all emotional and irrational.
The irony is it's obvious to many you cannot discuss with
nuance or outside of your own prejudices.

Soul,personality or identity,whatever you want to call it.
Do we really have to debate whether your Identity is a real or measurable thing?
And this personality is a causal agent.
Or what the hell is writing these individual posts?

@Punshhh In previous years were these people forgotten or locked away as a rule?

To understand that Life is it's own Casuality. And that things by their intrinsic quality can be "self causing" would go a long way to refuting materialism determinism infinite regresses and monotheism.
A beautiful concept.

@MAYAEL Most folks are so invested in corona that even when you show them clear evidence from various official sources they still dont click that all the "statistics"
are indeed fluff and wildly inflated.
The science is similiarily bogus,with many doctors saying the lockdown is a spurious response.
As for the danger. Well it depends if one cowers from a cold.
It's amazing to see so many people fearful of govt disinformation.

Old and chronically ill people die every year from flu and pneumonia. In your lifetime has any country ever looked down or had such govt and media hysteria over this natural fact of life?
The 2009 influenza resulted in no lockdown.
Those who are capable of clear thinking and how politics works can make their own conclusions.
And it seems clear all these so called philosophers really dont think for themselves but are deferring to fear porn.
You want to curtail liberty and bow to govt because of an imaginary danger!?
Wow! The paranoia of the insecure.

Just propoganda and sensationalism from a socialist academic.
First sign of journalistic bullshit? Doom mongering and apocalyptic scenarios.
No difference from an old testament elite demagogue
preaching to the masses.
Zero understanding of politics and economics.
The new god is socialism.
Are there no philosophers who believe in Liberty any more? A little bit of pressure and you all rush to the state!?
Feeble.