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  • The Notion of Subject/Object
    It is my conviction that pure mathematical construction enables us to discover the concepts and the laws connecting them which give us the key to the understanding of the phenomena of Nature. Experience can of course guide us in our choice of serviceable mathematical concepts; it cannot possibly be the source from which they are derived; experience of course remains the sole criterion of the serviceability of a mathematical construction for physics, but the truly creative principle resides in mathematics.Einstein, A. (1933). On the Method of Theoretical Physics. Lecture delivered on 10 June 1933 at Oxford University.
  • The Notion of Subject/Object
    Try to define "object". Now try to define "subject".khaled

    A useful first step,
    1) Avoiding linguistic meanings, as instructed by the OP.
    2) Dispensing with "objectivity" and "subjectivity" as "objective" and "subjective" condition, respectively.

    I have:
    1) Object: perceived particular.
    2) Objective: perceptive.
    3) Subject: cognised particular.
    4) Subjective: cognisant.

    So, subject/object: a convenient epistemological distinction and ontological unity (comprising awareness).
  • The Notion of Subject/Object
    I think we need to learn to value the objectivity of a human being, or else we’re left to apply value through a sort of linguistic trickery.NOS4A2
    I agree.
    Social awareness (perception and cognisance) has objective (fact-based) and subjective (value-based) properties. It:
    1) Requires observation.
    2) Is caused by the mirror mechanism (experience of others' acts, including simultaneous exteroception and interoception, and the activation of common and/or associated mental representations).
    3) Causes intersubjectivity, sociality, imitation, and empathy.
  • The Notion of Subject/Object
    You must have misunderstood what I was writing about. In no way was I 'denying empathy'. Maybe read through the previous comments in this thread to see what I was getting at.Wayfarer
    Same old pattern of avoidance: non-engagement with ideas that contradict your programme through obfuscation.
  • The Notion of Subject/Object

    Have you never experienced empathy, or observed it in the behaviour of others?
    Any argument which denies empathy as fact is unsound.
  • The Notion of Subject/Object
    ...areas of philosophy that are explicitly concerned with understanding the nature of lived experience from a first-person perspective...say that the attempt to account for the nature of experience in third-person terms is radically flawed.Wayfarer

    If "the attempt to account for the nature of experience in third-person terms is radically flawed", empathy (understanding the thoughts and/or emotions of another person and/or social group) does not exist (which is obviously false).
  • Reason as a Concept
    Reason(n): human faculty which creates and/or develops an argument.Galuchat
    Reason cannot create or develop knowledge statements nor their justification. Reason can only verify them.alcontali

    Why would you confuse "an argument" with "knowledge statements"?
  • Reason as a Concept
    Reason(n): human faculty which creates and/or develops an argument.
    As such, it is:
    1) An inherent mental function.
    2) A type of controlled (conscious) problem-solving.

    Reasoning(v): creation and/or development of an argument.
    As such, it is:
    1) A human event (temporal extension).
  • Chomsky & Gradualism
    I know there’s a lot of research on this but I like developing my own thoughts on it from observation and conversation with others and a bit of idle research, i.e. at some point I’d rather go for a swim.Brett
    Good luck with that.
  • Chomsky & Gradualism
    Let's separate "thought" from "language." Thought can happen without language is my belief, and there's good evidence for that. Thinking is not merely restricted to "sentences in the head." I've had colleagues argue that thinking and language are the same thing; I'm just not convinced of it.Xtrix

    It would be well to recall that Einstein originally constructed his model of the universe out of nonverbal signs, 'of visual and some of muscular type.' As he wrote to a colleague in 1945: 'The words or the language, as they are written or spoken, do not seem to play any role in my mechanism of thought. The psychical entities which seem to serve as elements in thought are certain signs and more or less clear images which can be "voluntarily" reproduced and combined.' Later, 'only in a secondary stage,' after long and hard labour to transmute his nonverbal construct into 'conventional words and other signs,' was he able to communicate it to others.
  • Chomsky & Gradualism


    To be fair, I don't think @StreetlightX is an intellectual adolescent, as much as I dislike the @apokrisis style of (non)argument.

    Premises:
    1) Language is not communication.
    2) Only human beings have a capacity for language.

    Implication: human beings dominate Earth.

    Does the implication sound familiar?
    Is anyone triggered by it?
    Is anyone surprised that it generates controversy?
    Who holds the majority opinion regarding soundness?
    Does it boil down to belief?
  • Chomsky & Gradualism
    I think language evolution is a crappolo idea, anyway, much like evolution. I believe that the ancient man had access (or since stone age, with stone axes, he had axxess) to the Oxford Dictionary of Standard English Definitions, Synonyms and Antonyms. Therefore they could strive for world hegemony, since they had a lingua franca the English langauge; and the English spleaking world still hasn't given up that idea.god must be atheist

    That's good.
    Did you study under Philomena Cunk?
  • Chomsky & Gradualism

    The OP is primarily concerned with:
    ...the idea that not only did language not evolve gradually as a form of communication, but that language isn't communication at all.Xtrix
    Chomsky is mentioned incidentally as an influence on this idea.
    So, my posts in this thread have been concerned with language and communication, not with Chomsky, or even with Chomsky's views on language and communication.
  • Chomsky & Gradualism

    Seems I "parachuted in" on Page 1.
    Any other excuses?
  • Chomsky & Gradualism

    Surely you are capable of a concise summary?
  • Chomsky & Gradualism
    ...by decoupling language from communication and making it a wholly cognitive faculty...StreetlightX

    It might be interesting to know how you think language and communication are "coupled" in a way which is coherent relative to Evolutionary Theory.

    It seems intuitively obvious that language acquisition on a personal level requires the innate maturation of brain structures and mental functions used in language production and comprehension, and that the cause of this maturation is human nature (genetic predispositions) and human culture (specifically, social learning).

    To conflate, rather than relate, "language" and "communication" would contradict how these words are used in Semiotics and Information Theory.

    I have no problem "decoupling" these terms. For example: your use of language in this thread communicates misrepresentations of others' views, anger, hostility, and disdain.

    One can't help wonder (as previously noted by another) whether your stance boils down to this attitude:

    So yes, Chomsky and his adherents are so stupid as to believe humans' capacity for language is a miracle of God, or due to some other magic.StreetlightX
  • Chomsky & Gradualism
    I'm interested to hear if others, who have specialized in the evolution of language or are well versed in its literature, have considered Chomsky's ideas on this matter. I haven't seen much in this forum so far, although I am new to it.Xtrix
    Have you tried the advanced search tool?

    After reading Chomsky, I now lean much more towards the idea that not only did language not evolve gradually as a form of communication, but that language isn't communication at all.Xtrix
    I am unfamiliar with Chomsky, and my interest in language is from a psychological, rather than biological, level of abstraction. So, in terms of semiotics, information theory, and information philosophy:
    1) Language is a code (specific and structured data) consisting of a set of symbols having paradigmatic and syntagmatic relations, hence; semantic content.
    2) Communication is data encoding, messaging, and decoding.

    Obviously, I agree that language is not communication.
    Language encoding and decoding are syntactic mental actions which are part of verbal communication. Thoughts and affect may also be communicated non-verbally.

    It's important to recognise a distinction between nonverbal communication using vocalisations (signals) and verbal communication using language. A vocalisation is not necessarily a phoneme (speech sound, or symbol).

    Based on anthropological evidence of skull capacity (probable brain volume), semiotician Thomas Sebeok thinks that language developed as a mute (unable to encode speech) mental modelling system (an evolutionary adaptation) in Homo habilis, and that speech derived from language (an evolutionary exaptation) in Homo sapiens.

    When it comes to questions of phylogeny, I have always contended that the emergence of life on earth, some 3.5 billion years ago, was tantamount to the advent of semiosis. The life sciences and the sign science thus mutually imply one another. I have also argued that the derivation of language out of any animal communication system is an exercise in total futility, because language did not evolve to subserve humanity's communicative exigencies. It evolved, as we shall see in the next chapter, as an exceedingly sophisticated modelling device, in the sense of von Uexkiill's Umweltlehre, as presented, for example, in 1982 (see also Lotman 1977), surely present - that is, language-as-a-modelling-system, not speech-as-a-communicative-tool - in Homo habilis.Sebeok, Thomas Albert. 2001. Signs: An Introduction To Semiotics. Canada: University of Toronto Press. p.136.
  • Guidelines for making good guidelines
    It seems that for any discipline, art, or profession you engage in, if it's more than just a superficial dabbling, you'll start to form a set of guidelines or rules for yourself before long, whether half-consciously or deliberately.darwinist
    I think that guidelines are formed for all acts (corporeal actions) and retained as:
    1) Tacit (Implicit Empirical) Knowledge
    2) Declarative (Explicit Empirical) Knowledge

    This process [forming a set of guidelines] seems basically unavoidable, but how well it's done varies a lot between people, and within the same person over time. The quality and clarity of the guidelines you follow makes a big difference to how rewarding you find the pursuit in question, and how good the outcomes are, much of the time.darwinist
    Rewarding pursuits and good outcomes imply a personal and/or social purpose (goal) which is facilitated (achieved) by following a guideline.

    I find it useful to define a guideline as a course of action constraint.
    As such, a guideline pertains to pragmatic mental actions, including: problem-solving, decision-making, and planning, which lead to acts (corporeal actions).

    Guidelines may be informal or formal.
    1) Informal guidelines are socially comprehended, and reinforced by tradition and/or experience; unconventional (e.g., subjective morality, social norms).
    2) Formal guidelines are socially specified and structured, and reinforced by law and/or science; conventional (e.g., intersubjective morality, human positive law).

    So, a guideline is a standard (rule, example, or measure used as a basis of comparison; model, norm).

    Inasmuch as action may be physiologically constrained or unconstrained and psychologically restrained or unrestrained, it can be correlated with consciousness or semi-consciousness.

    So, forming a set of guidelines may be an automatic (unintentional) or controlled (intentional) mental action.
  • Explaining multiple realizability and its challenges

    Inanity.
    Sounds like you're spent, so I'm outta here.
  • Explaining multiple realizability and its challenges

    So emergence has nothing to do with Multiple Realizability?
    Fair enough.
  • Explaining multiple realizability and its challenges
    I'm actually just plowing through the SEP article you posted. It's kind of like homework so I can understand various angles on the concept of emergence.frank

    Multiple Realizability is consistent with current Natural Science (inductive evidence).

    Corporeal and mental events are mutually dependent, but incommensurable because:
    1) While correlation can be demonstrated, causation cannot.
    2) Corporeal and mental data are accessed at different levels of abstraction (i.e., Neurology and Psychology).

    Also, neuroplasticity is a fact (ruling out the possibility of epiphenomenalism, which is consistent with psychoneural identity theories).

    It is obvious that body and mind are open sub-systems of (at least certain) organisms (e.g., those having a central nervous system). Body is open to mind and environment, and mind is open to body. But mind cannot be a sub-system of body if neuroplasticity is a fact.
  • Information - The Meaning Of Life In a Nutshell?

    Off-topic. Thanks for proving my point.
  • Information - The Meaning Of Life In a Nutshell?
    And it's a clean form of pleasure: one is drunk on thought and not bourbon.softwhere
    Apparently, some can only think milk.
  • Current Status of Rationality
    ...one of the defining features of adulthood is the diminishment of impulsiveness...leading to...Enrique
    You forgot: "bravery" in combat.

    If this is a valid assessment, it suggests that rationality is inextricably bound to physiological structure, and these structures are in some measure constraining.Enrique
    I think rather than "rationality", a more general and appropriate category would be "pragmatic mental action", because it would include:
    1) Controlled Evaluation (cognitive appraisal, explicit attitude).
    2) Automatic Evaluation (valence, empathy, conscience, implicit attitude).
    3) Controlled Problem-Solving (reflection, analysis, reasoning).
    4) Automatic Problem-Solving (heuristics).
    5) Controlled Decision-Making (judgment)
    6) Automatic Decision-Making (recognition-primed).
    7) Controlled & Automatic Planning.
  • On the very idea of irreducible complexity

    For the most common usage of the word "theology", the phrase "theology without God" doesn't make sense. So, I would say:
    1) Materialism is just theology with self as God, or
    2) Materialism and Theology both require belief.
  • Are big cities harmful?
    What is the foundation for a strong, healthy, vibrant community? A strong connection between the people. This is something big cities don't have.Punk Rascal

    A town and a city are two different types of social group.
    Each type has many tokens.
    Every social group has a unique culture.
    So:
    1) The culture of every town will be different from the culture of another town.
    2) The culture of every city will be different from the culture of another city.
    3) The culture of towns will be different from the culture of cities.
    4) Social cohesion depends on cultural learning.
    5) Alienation may be a function of poor social skills, culture shock, incomplete enculturation/acculturation, or all three.
  • Are big cities harmful?


    If Dunbar is correct, a large human social group has no bearing on the number of friends and acquaintances one of its members may have.

    Dunbar's Number: 150 (with a 95% confidence interval of 100 to 230), being the number of stable interpersonal relationships a person can maintain.

    Dunbar, Robin Ian MacDonald. 1992. Neocortex Size as a Constraint on Group Size in Primates. Journal of Human Evolution 22 (6): 469–493. doi:10.1016/0047-2484(92)90081-J.
  • Reality Dysfunction 1.0
    In any case, I decided to start typing down my ideas to form them into something more cogent and would like get some feedback on the validity of the definitions I have created in order to differentiate the most egregious problem causers.Diagonal Diogenes

    My own definition of the same, or similar, terms relate to the domain of human mind and its ontological presuppositions. So they take into consideration:
    1) Common meanings/usage in Cognitive Psychology, Metaphysics, and Philosophy of Mind.
    2) Etymology.
    3) General, or other, definitions (where a word has equivocal usage).

    In the following, nested definitions are contained in parentheses and synonyms occur after semi-colons.

    Event: temporal extension (occupation).

    Idea: component or product of thinking; thought.
    Product: particular (actuality token) which is produced (generated).
    Thinking: intuition and/or cogitation.

    Truth: correctness.

    Fact: perceived particular.
    Perception: sensation (stimulation-response) mental effect.

    Reality: spatial and/or temporal extension; actuality, existence.

    Belief: attitude which accepts a proposition as true.
    Attitude: positive (favourable), negative (unfavourable), or conflicted (ambivalent) evaluation.
    Proposition: factual or logical (pertaining to reasonable or computational principles) statement which may be true or false.
  • Explaining multiple realizability and its challenges

    Pain interoception (nociception) is a type of corporeal state perception (sensation mental effect). So, pain is a psychological state caused by a physiological state (sensation).

    In other words: the physical information of nociception becomes the semantic information of pain.
  • Mental Conception - How It Might Broaden Perspective
    Experience is the springboard of imagination (Einstein's pure thought).

    The axiomatic structure (A, Systems of Axioms) of a theory is built psychologically on the experiences (E, Totality of Sense Experiences) of the world of perceptions. Inductive logic cannot lead from the (E) to the (A). The (E) need not be restricted to experimental data, nor to perceptions; rather, the (E) may include the data of Gendanken experiments. Pure reason (i.e., mathematics) connects (A) to theorems (S, Deduced Laws). But pure reason can grasp neither the world of perceptions nor the ultimate physical reality because there is no procedure that can be reduced to the rules of logic to connect the (A) to the (E). — Einstein, A. (7 May 1952). Letter to Maurice Solovine

    Less certain, continued Einstein, is the connection between the (S) and the (E). If at least one correspondence cannot be made between the (A) and (S) and the (E), then the scientific theory is only a mathematical exercise. Einstein referred to the demarcation between concepts or axioms and perceptions or data as the 'metaphysical original sin' (1949); and his defense of it was its usefulness. For whereas the problem of the relation between perceptions and mental images or concepts may well be interesting physiologically (e.g., How do neural firings lead to images?) or philosophically (e.g., philosophy of mind or metaphysics), it is of no concern to the working scientist - at least not to Einstein, who also displayed a good nose for philosophical problems. — Miller, Arthur I. 1984. Imagery in Scientific Thought Creating 20th Century Physics. Boston. Birkhauser, pp. 45-46.

    Physical reality can be grasped not by pure reason (as Kant has asserted), but by pure thought.Einstein, A. (1933). On the Method of Theoretical Physics. Lecture delivered on 10 June 1933 at Oxford University.
  • Mental Conception - How It Might Broaden Perspective
    My faculty of mental conception (imagination) allows me to create events that are not a part of my 'normal' experience.BrianW
    You conflate imagination and mental conception.

    Conception is the process of conceiving (generally, creating and/or developing) an idea, plan, understanding, or zygote. So, you have qualified conception with the adjective "mental" to narrow the range of possible meanings.

    Whereas, I:
    1) Prefer to use the word "conceptualisation" to refer to the creation and/or development of a concept (class-representative idea), which presupposes abstraction (deduction, pure reasoning, theory) or generalisation (induction, empirical reasoning, experiment).

    2) Wouldn't conflate imagination (faculty which entails insight or creativity) and conceptualisation, because while imagination entails insight (metacognitive comprehension), it doesn't entail understanding (experiential comprehension). Reflection (examination of experience) entails understanding.

    Insight entails pure knowledge (logical semantic information), and understanding entails empirical knowledge (factual semantic information).
  • Does the world structure language or does language structure the world?
    This made me wonder: does the world structure our language or does our language structure the world?philosophy
    Language is neither structured by the world, nor does it structure the world.
    Language use (Literacy) is:
    1) A human faculty which develops subjectively in parallel with corporeal and mental maturation, and learning.
    2) A type of syntactic action which has direction of fit (implying intentionality).
    a) Mind-To-Fit-World entails semantic action (meaning actualisation).
    b) World-To-Fit-Mind entails pragmatic action (practise actualisation).
  • Some Remarks on Bedrock Beliefs
    If you were familiar with Wittgenstein's bedrock propositions in his notes called On Certainty, you would know that I'm not asking the question that you are answering. This is not a linguistics class, at least not a typical linguistics class.Sam26
    Fair enough.
    Then being familiar with On Certainty, perhaps you could explain in what sense beliefs are elements (or foundational parts) of language?
  • Some Remarks on Bedrock Beliefs
    Our language is made up of many kinds of beliefs that can be called foundational or even bedrock, but not all foundational beliefs have the same structural significance...
    What is the structure?
    Sam26

    I think that:

    1) Language is a code (specific and structured data) consisting of a set of symbols having paradigmatic and syntagmatic relations, hence; semantic content.

    2) Codes have a vocabulary (sign set common to and/or understood by both message source and destination) and syntax (laws of structure).

    3) Language components are:
    a) Morphemes
    b) Words
    c) Phrases
    d) Clauses
    e) Sentences
    f) Phonemes
    g) Graphemes

    4) Structure is component (element) arrangement.

    In other words: since beliefs are propositional attitudes, I consider them to be a component of mind, not language.